China 'building runway in disputed South China Sea island'

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He urged the foreign ministers to "stop making irresponsible remarks and all irresponsible actions, and truly play a constructive role for regional peace and stability".

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Peace and stability and the G7 nations, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom, and the United States, are mutually exclusive. To forget that 5 of the group have slaughtered more of the worlds citizens than the rest of the worlds countries put together.

Maybe the G7 countries, would like to assist the The Lancang-Mekong Cooperation Meeting partners to raise their forgotten Asian countries development.

I'm sure some of them will sign many agreements with the G7 countries, take the money and then remind them of the centuries of colonialism/exploitation suffered by their citizens under some of the G7 countries boots.


About Lancang-Mekong Cooperation Meeting | New Eastern Outlook

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The Ameristanis appear to have forgotten about some of the weapons system recently used for a combined Philippine and Ameristani war game.

Some have already imposing Ameristani might in the South China Sea. Understandably the Chinese government politely suggests the offensive weapons stay clear of it's own islands and territorial waters.

China dismisses Pentagon report on freedom of navigation - Global Times

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This photo taken on Dec. 11, 2015 shows uniquely beautiful winter scenery of the Zhaoshu Island in the South China Sea.

Not a carrier group, just fishing boats. This has to change.:rolleyes:


"China on Tuesday urged the United States to show respect for other countries' sovereignty and security.

Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying made the statement at a regular press briefing when asked to comment on an annual freedom of navigation report released by the US Department of Defense (DoD) on April 25.

According to the DoD Freedom of Navigation Report for the Fiscal Year 2015, the US military conducted "freedom of navigation" operations against 13 countries and regions last year, including China, India and Indonesia.

The DoD said on its website that these operations aimed to preserve the rights, freedoms, and lawful use of the sea and airspace guaranteed to all nations under international law.

US freedom of navigation operations last year challenged China's claims of jurisdiction over airspace above the Exclusive Economic Zone(EEZ) and restrictions on foreign aircraft flying through an Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) over the East China Sea, according to the report.

"We have taken note of the US report," said Hua, adding that the aim of the DoD freedom of navigation program was, in essence, to advance the US unilateral proposition by force and coercion, by brandishing its naval and air power.

In 1979, the United States established the Freedom of Navigation program before the signing of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), said Hua, adding that its aim was to safeguard the US military's maximum freedom and maneuverability to enter the oceans of the world and challenge the new maritime order as a non-signatory of the 1982 UNCLOS."

As illustrated in the Chinese statement, Ameristani offensive forces are hiding behind, and being used, to uphold the fig leaf of international convention UNCLOS, which it isn't even a signatory to.

One wonders how long some Philippine citizens will again take to rebel against another round of colonial rule from Washington DC. Haven't the Philippines just got out of a civil war?

US ?forcing? countries to take sides over sea arbitration - Global Times

US ‘forcing’ countries to take sides over sea arbitration



"Clash over Hague case

The US is in no position to criticize China, Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said Friday in response to US Deputy Secretary of State Antony Blinken's opposition to China's stand that it cannot be a party to the convention and reject "the binding nature of any arbitration decision."

The arbitral tribunal has no legal basis as the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea has nothing to do with issues concerning territorial sovereignty, Hua noted, adding that the US is not even a party to the Convention.

On August 25, 2006, China submitted a statement of optional exception to the UN Secretary General that it rejects the arbitration on matters concerning territorial sovereignty and maritime interests under the rights entitled in Article 298 of the Convention.

The International Court of Arbitration at The Hague is expected to decide on the case in late May or early June, according to Reuters."


Article 298 from UNCLOS:


http://www.un.org/depts/los/conventi...s/unclos_e.pdf

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Bollocks.

And, everyone is against China.

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Bollocks. And, everyone is against China.

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Such conviction.

I don't suppose you have the audited numbers/% of the worlds population that agree with your assumption.:)

Beijing slams Manila for ‘lying’ about sea negotiations


Beijing slams Manila for ?lying? about sea negotiations - Global Times

"China on Thursday defended the legitimacy of not accepting and participating in the South China Sea arbitration case unilaterally initiated by the Philippines, calling Manila's claim that it had exhausted all bilateral means a "lie."

"The Philippines has never negotiated with China on any item in the arbitration.'Exhausting all bilateral means' is a lie cooked up by the Philippines," Hong Lei, Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson, said at a press briefing on Thursday, stressing that China's non-acceptance and non-participation in the arbitration case is consistent with law.

As early as 2006, China had released a statement on excluding compulsory arbitration as provided in Article 298 of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, Hong said.

The two countries have agreed to solve the South China Sea disputes through negotiations as defined in bilateral and multilateral documents, according to Hong. "The door for negotiations is always open to the Philippines," he said.

A ruling on a case filed by the Philippines before the International Court of Arbitration at The Hague on its dispute with China over the South China Sea is expected by June, whose results could further complicate the issue, observers said in previous interviews with the Global Times.

"The arbitration case initiated by the Philippines, from the very beginning, is illegal and unjustifiable. Its true intention is to politically confront China under the cloak of law," Hong said, and voiced "firm opposition to a certain country's plot to hijack international law for its own selfish gains."

Strong words from an acknowledge mouthpiece of the Chinese government.

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And the bullies in Beijing think the world believes an iota of the crud they talk.

What a laugh.

Chinese = laughing stock of the world.

Indeed. The Paracels ? Maybe.

The Spratleys ? Give us a freaking BREAK !

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So you keep shouting, but have yet to actually evidence your accusations.

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The Spratleys ? Give us a freaking BREAK !

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^ Maybe the French would like The Channel islands, maybe Spain Gibraltar, maybe Argentina the Malvinas, maybe the Sioux etc. Ameristan, the Aboriginals Australia or the Maori New Zealand.

You see where I'm going here?

Or is it just the Chinese that can't claim sovereignty over far away places?

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Not really. The examples you gave don't really equate.

Look it's fairly obvious the chinkies don't want to go to the ICJ because they know they will lose.

So instead they point their tiny fingers at everyone else and say "They're against us".

Stupid fucking pencil dicked twats.

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Look it's fairly obvious the chinkies don't want to go to the ICJ because they know they will lose. So instead they point their tiny fingers at everyone else and say "They're against us". Stupid fucking pencil dicked twats.

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Possibly the Chinese are abiding by the letter of the UNCLOS international law. Again when did "the letter of the law" mean anything to the Ameristani people. Isn't that what lawyers are for, to find a loophole and fuck the consequences.

One should look at UNCLOS and note the clause which allows any country to opt out. The Ameristani court case is illegal. But what are international laws and agreements to such an unexceptional regime.

One should also review the fact that the Ameristani vassal has not even tried to bilaterally reach an agreement with China. But hey lets just go with the unexceptional "we have the biggest cock" rhetoric.

Many countries have opted for this route previously, but when it's China they are called "Stupid fucking pencil dicked twats."

One thing which some, including me, wonder is which "China" was awarded all the islands that the Japanese held at the end of WW2. As specified in the Cairo and Potsdam treaties, signed and agreed by the 3 world powers - UK, USA and "China". As at the time there were, and still are, two "Chinese" governments.

Both of which now claim these "islands" in the South China sea. The two "Chinese" governments also both use the same argument regarding "historic usage" which gives them sovereignty and all other claims, Vietnam, Philippine, etc., which are based on "discovering free and uninhabited land/islands (under the principle of terra nullius), are null and void.

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Look it's fairly obvious the chinkies don't want to go to the ICJ because they know they will lose. So instead they point their tiny fingers at everyone else and say "They're against us". Stupid fucking pencil dicked twats.

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Possibly the Chinese are abiding by the letter of the UNCLOS international law. Again when did "the letter of the law" mean anything to the Ameristani people. Isn't that what lawyers are for, to find a loophole and fuck the consequences.

One should look at UNCLOS and note the clause which allows any country to opt out. The Ameristani court case is illegal. But what are international laws and agreements to such an unexceptional regime.

One should also review the fact that the Ameristani vassal has not even tried to bilaterally reach an agreement with China. But hey lets just go with the unexceptional "we have the biggest cock" rhetoric.

Many countries have opted for this route previously, but when it's China they are called "Stupid fucking pencil dicked twats."

One thing which some, including me, wonder is which "China" was awarded all the islands that the Japanese held at the end of WW2. As specified in the Cairo and Potsdam treaties, signed and agreed by the 3 world powers - UK, USA and "China". As at the time there were, and still are, two "Chinese" governments.

Both of which now claim these "islands" in the South China sea. The two "Chinese" governments also both use the same argument regarding "historic usage" which gives them sovereignty and all other claims, Vietnam, Philippine, etc., which are based on "discovering free and uninhabited land/islands (under the principle of terra nullius), are null and void.

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Just give them all to Formosa and allow it to declare its independence.

After the Ameristani vassal accused China of "bullying" the Chinese minsiter offers some clarity to Chinese alleged bullying.

China warns Philippines against "blackmailing" on South China Sea - Global Times


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China warns Philippines against "blackmailing" on South China Sea


"China will never "bully" small countries, nor will it tolerate "blackmail" on the South China Sea issue, a Foreign Ministry spokesman said here on Monday.

Spokesman Lu Kang made the remarks at a daily press briefing in response to claims that the Philippines initiated arbitration due to the two countries' very unequal strengths which makes it unable to solve maritime delimitation disputes with China through dialogue.

"Such an argument confuses right and wrong and reminds us of the so-called theory of original sin of major powers," said Lu.

Calling the rhetoric "obviously from those who attempt to smear China," Lu said the logic behind the rhetoric is that "a strong nation is bound to seek hegemony."

China adheres to the path of peaceful development and follows a national defense policy that is defensive in nature, said Lu.

China persists in building good-neighborly relationships and partnerships with its neighbors and in solving disputes through dialogue and negotiation, he said.

Since the establishment of the People's Republic of China in 1949 China has successfully solved boundary issues with 12 of its 14 land neighbors via consultation in accordance with historic,l facts, on the basis norms of international laaw, said Lu.

The entire length of demarcated and delineated boundary has reached 20,000 kilometers, which accounts for 90 percent of China's total land boundary, he added.

Another example is that China and Vietnam delineated the maritime boundary in the Beibu Gulf via negotiations, Lu said.

China knows its responsibility and obligation to safeguard regional peace and stability, said Lu.

Stressing that China has dealt with the South China Sea issue in a constructive way, Lu said the door for dialogue has always been open.

However, the Philippines, disregard of the consensus reached with China, shows no sincerity in solving the South China Sea issue through dialogue and "pretends to be a victim," said the spokesman, accusing Manila of stirring up trouble and aggravating the situation.

Manila unilaterally initiated an arbitration case against China over maritime disputes in the South China Sea at the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague in early 2013 under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS). The decision will probably be announced in May or June.

When asked to comment on former U.S. Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel's recent remarks, Lu said some people choose to turn a blind eye to basic facts about the South China Sea issue and wantonly manipulated international law.

According to reports, Hagel said it would be "dangerous" for either side to disobey a decision of the Permanent Court of Arbitration.

Lu said China's position of non-acceptance and non-participation in the arbitration unilaterally initiated by the Philippines is clear and consistent.

Some Americans consider themselves champions of the rule of the law, yet the United States remains a non-signatory to the UNCLOS passed in 1982, said Lu.

The United States requires other countries to accept the settlement of disputes through a third party, yet itself has kept away from accepting the decisions of the UN court, he said.

It urges other countries to abide by international law, yet it keeps door wide open for illegal action by itself and its allies, said Lu, adding that the United States has ignored the Philippines' infringement to some islands and reefs of China's Nansha Islands for a long time.

Using the international law when convenient and abandoning it in unfavorable conditions gravely undermine the authority, solemnity and effectiveness of the international law, said Lu.

"This is a dangerous act that the international community must heighten vigilance against," he said.

The South China Sea disputes between China and the Philippines are over territorial and maritime delimitation. China declared in 2006 that arbitration and other compulsory dispute settlement procedures do not apply to issues such as maritime delimitation, as outlined in Article 298 of the UNCLOS."


This may all change with the election of the new Phillipino President, who knows.

Allegedly the New Philippine Pragmatic President wants a deal when it comes to real issues. Asians getting along with Asians, sounds like a good start. Has he met any of the Ameristani enforcers yet, will he be singing from another sheet once he does?

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Philippines' Duterte calls for summit to solve South China Sea spat | Reuters


"The presumptive winner of the Philippine election on Monday said that if he became president he would settle rows over the South China Sea with multilateral talks that would include allies the United States, Japan and Australia as well as claimant nations."

Rodrigo Duterte, the tough-talking mayor of Davao City, said China should respect the 200 nautical mile Exclusive Economic Zone granted to coastal states under international law and should team up with the Philippines to jointly exploit offshore oil and gas. "I would say to China, 'do not claim anything here and I will not insist also that it is ours'. But then I will just keep (turn) a blind eye," he told reporters, as results of an unofficial vote count came in showing him winning a hefty 40 percent of the votes.
"If you want joint ventures, fine, we can get the gas and the oil," he said. "I believe in sharing."

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China voices anger at G7 comments on disputed islands

China has said G7 nations should "stop making irresponsible remarks" after foreign ministers released a statement on maritime territorial disputes.

The ministers, meeting in Japan, said they opposed "any intimidating coercive or provocative unilateral actions" that could increase tension.
China claims almost all the South China Sea and areas of the East China Sea, angering neighbours who have competing claims.

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It has also been reclaiming land.

Experts say satellite images of the reclamation work could indicate that China may be steadily militarising the islands it is creating or expanding.

Read more on the South China Sea:

• China's Island Factory in the South China Sea
• Flying close to Beijing's new South China Sea islands
• What is the South China Sea dispute about?
• How uninhabited islands soured China-Japan ties

The foreign ministers of the G7 group of industrialised nations - US, Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy and Japan - did not explicitly mention China in their statement.

But they called on all states to "refrain from such actions as land reclamations" and building outposts "for military purposes" that could risk stability or change the status quo.

Disputes should be solved "in good faith and in accordance with international law," they said.

In his response, China's Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang reiterated China's belief it has a legitimate claim to the territory.

He urged the foreign ministers to "stop making irresponsible remarks and all irresponsible actions, and truly play a constructive role for regional peace and stability".

China voices anger at G7 comments on disputed islands - BBC News

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Think back to when America talked about going into Iraq, there were full page photo's of a site with pointer's showing missiles, chemical tank's etc, the same as these photo's, all propaganda, turned out none of it was true.

^ Don't be confused, "western" use of possible and probable means it's a fact. Possibly a law Lord in the UK made it so.

I await the G7 countries abiding by their own "call" being a "state" or more widely known , sovereign country. Unfortunately one definition of it is:

"A sovereign country/state is generally defined to be any nation or people, whatever may be the form of its internal constitution, which governs itself independently of foreign powers"

How many of the G7, US, Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy and Japan , "governs itself independently"? The UK, France, Germany and Italy are governed by the EU. Japan and Canada are owned/protected and hence vassasl of the USA. That implies only Ameristan governs itself.

Note the "Experts say" - name the experts, the "maybe" - shows a lack of facts, the "not explicitly" - shows a lack of facts, the "in good faith and in accordance with international law" - good faith in a western perspective means until we change our minds, international law means the ones we spout on about but haven't actually ratified them ourselves or just ignore them, "building outposts "for military purposes" - only Ameristan and it's vassals are allowed to ignore international law and agreements when they choose.

Compare that to the Chinese , named, ministers reply, " we believe" and "stop making irresponsible remarks and [making] all [your] irresponsible actions, and truly play a constructive role for regional peace and stability".

Ameristan + Vassals or China, who is taking the aggressive position and who is putting forward conciliatory suggestions, you be the judge.

The fishing fleet based in a tiny port town on Hainan island is getting everything from military training and subsidies to even fuel and ice as China creates an increasingly sophisticated fishing militia to sail into the disputed South China Sea.


China's secret maritime militia: Fishermen the forward guard in South China Sea dispute - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)


China trains 'fishing militia' to sail into disputed waters | Reuters


China's fishermen on the front line in the South China Sea

Where is Captain Nemo and the Nautilus when you need them.

It appears that the Chinese legal team have been studying, at last, the law which Ameristan continues to hold dear, even though it hasn't ratified it, in it's own parliament (UNCLOS).

There are within UNCLOS different rules for merchant ships and warships.

"Article 30
Non-compliance by warships with the laws and regulations of the coastal State

If any warship does not comply with the laws and regulations of the coastal State concerning passage through the territorial sea and disregards any request for compliance therewith which is made to it, the coastal State may require it to leave the territorial sea immediately.

Article 31
Responsibility of the flag State for damage caused by a warship or other government ship operated for non-commercial purposes

The flag State [the foreign ships] shall bear international responsibility for any loss or damage to the coastal State resulting from the non-compliance by a warship or other government ship operated for non-commercial purposes with the laws and regulations of the coastal State concerning passage through the territorial sea or with the provisions of this Convention or other rules of international law."


China opposes US distortion of navigation freedom: spokesman

China opposes US distortion of navigation freedom: spokesman - Global Times



"According to the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), foreign vessels enjoy the right of innocent passage through territorial seas, but military vessels are not endowed with the same right, said Lu."


As UNCLOS allows coastal states, China, to enforce it's national laws within it's boundaries. As many warships are capable of using nuclear tipped weapons. Whether admitted or not by the foreign ships captain. They are bound by them and must allow for their adherance.



"Article 21
Laws and regulations of the coastal State relating to innocent passage

1. The coastal State may adopt laws and regulations, in conformity with the provisions of this Convention and other rules of international law, relating to innocent passage through the territorial sea, in respect of all or any of the following:

(a) the safety of navigation and the regulation of maritime traffic;
(b) the protection of navigational aids and facilities and other facilities or installations;
(c) the protection of cables and pipelines;
(d) the conservation of the living resources of the sea;
(e) the prevention of infringement of the fisheries laws and regulations of the coastal State;
(f) the preservation of the environment of the coastal State and the prevention, reduction and control of pollution thereof;
(g) marine scientific research and hydrographic surveys;
(h) the prevention of infringement of the customs, fiscal, immigration or sanitary laws and regulations of the coastal State.
2. Such laws and regulations shall not apply to the design, construction, manning or equipment of foreign ships unless they are giving effect to generally accepted international rules or standards.
3. The coastal State shall give due publicity to all such laws and regulations.
4. Foreign ships exercising the right of innocent passage through the territorial sea shall comply with all such laws and regulations and all generally accepted international regulations relating to the prevention of collisions at sea.

Article 23
Foreign nuclear-powered ships and ships carrying nuclear or other inherently dangerous or noxious substances


Foreign nuclear-powered ships and ships carrying nuclear or other inherently dangerous or noxious substances shall, when exercising the right of innocent passage through the territorial sea, carry documents and observe special precautionary measures established for such ships by international agreements."


Presumably the "Carried Documents" must be shown for inspection and any doubtful seaman may if they so desire, request the ship to stop, board the ship, request the documents and inspect the ship to ensure compliance with the documents.


If in compliance the said ship may proceed on it's way, unhindered. If not in compliance the master must presumably immediately surrender his ship, personnel and cargo to the offended coastal state. Who may presumably make arrangements for the personnel to be sent back to their own country. The coastal state has an opportunity to thoroughly inspect the ship, which of course may take some time and damage some equipment.


Or will Ameristan and it's vassal states, ignore the UNCLOS agreement, they hold so dear and revert to their natural "bombing back to the stone age" personality?



They allegedly have sailed blindly through a nations territorial sea and ignored Chinese military forces requests to "go away" [UNCLOS terminilogy "leave the territorial sea immediately"].

Chinese vessels have been reportedly dumping chemicals in the surrounding waters of Pag-asa Island and harming the marine life in an effort to kill the island’s economy. As the number of civilians leaving because of a lack of fish increases, the Chinese get closer to taking over the land.

China Dumps Chemicals In Ocean To Drive Fishermen Away From Disputed Island

^All based on a facebook page and "unnamed civilians". A reliable source you found there?

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Your link takes one to this:

China Dumps Chemicals to Kill Fish Around Disputed Island to Drive Away Fishermen

Which takes one to this:

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SCO supports peace and stability in South China Sea

Source:Xinhua Published: 2016-5-25 847

SCO supports peace and stability in South China Sea - Global Times

"Countries of Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) on Tuesday expressed support for maintaining peace and stability in Asia-Pacific region, including the South China Sea.

In a statement of SCO Secretary-General Rashid Olimov on South China Sea issue, all SCO countries agreed and supported China's efforts made to safeguard peace and stability in the South China Sea.

They also voiced support for any country in the Asia-Pacific region to promote a peaceful, friendly and harmonious environment in the South China Sea.

The SCO member states stressed the UN Charter, UN Convention of the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence and other international laws should be the basic principles when addressing the South China Sea issue.

Directly concerned states should resolve disputes through negotiation and consultation in accordance with all bilateral treaties and the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea (DOC), the statement said.

It urged to respect the right of every sovereign state to decide by itself the dispute resolution methods, and strongly opposed outsiders' intervention into the South China Sea issue, as well as the attempt to internationalize the dispute. "


It seems the Chinese have many international laws or agreements to select from that could be a basis for peaceful, bilateral negotiations. I wonder why these avenues haven't been utilised prior to Ameristan sticking it's nose in other countries affairs?How can Ameristan "normalise" it's relationship with Vietnam and offer trade and weapons to it when it is by far the country which currently, occupies the most Islands/reefs/sandbanks etc. in the South China Sea?

Or would that question be unanswerable, even for an unexceptional empire state.

From the same SCO meeting.

US should respect rules on regional peace, stability: FM

US should respect rules on regional peace, stability: FM - Global Times


"In a speech before leaving Hanoi on Tuesday, the US president said he would uphold the key principles of freedom of navigation and regional order together with his partners while admitting the US is not a claimant.

"Every time the US brings about freedom of navigation, I think it should first make clear whether it is talking about the real freedom of navigation enjoyed by all countries under international law or a 'freedom' exclusive to US military vessels and planes to do whatever they want," Hua Chunying, spokeswoman for China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, told a daily briefing on Tuesday.

"If it is the first one, we will surely welcome and stand for it. Otherwise, I believe the entire world would say 'no' to it," Hua said."

Apparently the Chines are asking for clarity regarding the Ameristani position on "freedom of navigation. Allegedly it is contrary to the actual laws, as written and adhered too by the international community.

One hopes the reply isn't "sign the agreement and then we will tell you what's in it" attitude some others are willing to comply with.

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From the same SCO meeting.

US should respect rules on regional peace, stability: FM

US should respect rules on regional peace, stability: FM - Global Times


"In a speech before leaving Hanoi on Tuesday, the US president said he would uphold the key principles of freedom of navigation and regional order together with his partners while admitting the US is not a claimant.

"Every time the US brings about freedom of navigation, I think it should first make clear whether it is talking about the real freedom of navigation enjoyed by all countries under international law or a 'freedom' exclusive to US military vessels and planes to do whatever they want," Hua Chunying, spokeswoman for China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, told a daily briefing on Tuesday.

"If it is the first one, we will surely welcome and stand for it. Otherwise, I believe the entire world would say 'no' to it," Hua said."

Apparently the Chines are asking for clarity regarding the Ameristani position on "freedom of navigation. Allegedly it is contrary to the actual laws, as written and adhered too by the international community.

One hopes the reply isn't "sign the agreement and then we will tell you what's in it" attitude some others are willing to comply with.

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The chinks claim to territorial waters is preposterous.

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There was a good piece on the SCS on Sky News yesterday.

Unfortunately there was no sound on the two accompanying video reports when I played them.

Lifting of Vietnam Arms Ban Sparks War of Words in South China Sea

China's state media have hit out at the lifting of the U.S. government's 41-year-old arms embargo on Vietnam, as analysts said the regional war of words could exacerbate small-scale, localized confrontation.

While U.S. officials have said the move wasn't made with Beijing in mind, official media controlled by the ruling Chinese Communist Party struck a warning note in editorials likely to have been approved at the highest level this week.

"Obama claimed that this move is not aimed at China, yet this is only a very poor lie which reveals the truth - exacerbating the strategic antagonism between Washington and Beijing," the Global Times newspaper, which has close ties to the ruling party, wrote in a opinion piece on Tuesday.

"Trade in arms between the U.S. and Vietnam, two nations with completely different political systems, is of great symbolic significance," the paper said.

In a separate article, it warned that Beijing could be "forced to resort to militarization" amid growing tensions in the South China Sea.

"The situation in [these] waters will be more tense, conflicts and even clashes will be more likely to break out between China and the U.S.," the paper said.

Analysts said Washington's "pivot to Asia" policy looks likely to continue to ruffle feathers in Beijing, prompting further militarization of disputed reefs and islands in the busy shipping lanes of the South China Sea.

"There is a perception in the international community that the U.S. has strengthened its naval presence in the South China Sea," Taiwan military affairs commentator Zheng Shaoru told RFA on Wednesday.

"I think that the U.S. is playing a game of psychological warfare with China; a war of words that will keep up the pressure on Beijing," Zheng said. "But Beijing has also stepped up its military presence in the South China Sea."

"What's worrying about that is that there is an increased risk of accidental engagement," he said.

But Hong Kong political commentator Camoes Tam said U.S. military personnel are unlikely to brush with their Chinese counterparts in the disputed waters.

'Might is right'

"If China sees [U.S. presence] within the area, it will pretend it didn't see them, but if you are a small coastguard or fishing vessel from a smaller country like the Philippines or Vietnam, then they will detain you first and ask questions later," Tam said.

"Might is right in this scenario, and the big guys bully the smaller ones," he said. "It's a question of picking on someone smaller than you, right across the South China Sea."

Xia Ming, political science lecturer at the College of Staten Island in New York, said the lifting of the arms ban by Obama during his trip to Vietnam is part and parcel of the U.S. "pivot to Asia" policy.

"Back when ties between China and Vietnam soured in 1979, China and the United States were more closely allied," Xia said. "But now, the U.S. has brought Vietnam into the Trans-Pacific Partnership."

"U.S.-Vietnam relations have done a 180 degree turn," he said.

Wake Forest University researcher Li Weixin agreed.

"[It] is all tied in with their return to Subic Bay and Cam Ranh Bay," Li told RFA in a recent panel discussion. "It is part of the U.S. policy of re-balancing in the region."

He said Beijing has little to fear from Vietnam, arms ban or no arms ban, however.

"Vietnam doesn't have that much money, to go purchasing the latest military equipment," Li said. "And, even if they want it, it doesn't mean the other side will sell it to them."

Neither will it prove easy for Vietnam to integrate U.S. weaponry into its existing military hardware, he added.

"Vietnam also has a lot of Russian military equipment, and it won't be easy to integrate all of that," Li said. "It'll still be business as usual."

Lifting of Vietnam Arms Ban Sparks War of Words in South China Sea

Maybe outsourcing so many jobs, technology, manufacturing ability and wealth to China was not such a good idea after all.

We created, and continue to feed this monster China and the mess it's causing, now we have to live with it.

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But Hong Kong political commentator Camoes Tam said U.S. military personnel are unlikely to brush with their Chinese counterparts in the disputed waters. 'Might is right' "If China sees [U.S. presence] within the area, it will pretend it didn't see them, but if you are a small coastguard or fishing vessel from a smaller country like the Philippines or Vietnam, then they will detain you first and ask questions later," Tam said. "Might is right in this scenario, and the big guys bully the smaller ones," he said. "It's a question of picking on someone smaller than you, right across the South China Sea

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Prior to accepting any Chinese persons opinion on any topic one might want to investigate that persons political outlook.

Fresh Political Fears and Media Attacks in Hong Kong

Hong Kong ?localist? group vows to keep going after founder?s arrest ? Asia Times

Hong Kong pro-democracy 'Umbrella' leaders seek closer ties with Taiwan, East Asia News & Top Stories - The Straits Times

One persons opinion, are there a majority in China with similar or a minority. The person also parrots the Ameristan attitude towards conflict resolution - might is right. Ask the Vietnamese if the mighty, global, exceptiona,l empire won or lost against their puny army armed with pot bombs and AK7s.

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Originally Posted by BobR

We created, and continue to feed this monster China and the mess it's causing

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Ameristani people and leaders created another bogey man for the worlds sheeple to fear, along with enriching the 0.001%'s and keeping the sheeple in their place - poverty.

China is "causing a mess" where in the world? On the other hand Ameristan and it's vassal are creating messes world wide and have been for centuries. Let's get some perspective in this argument.

One also wonders how Ameristan can side, or maybe one Ameristani three letter agency is pulling more strings, with a country who has illegally occupied and constructed military bases on many more islands/reefs/submerged sand banks than any other regional country.

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Originally Posted by Cujo

I think the Americans would insist on the term 'internationally recognized'. The chinks claim to territorial waters is preposterous.

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One should try and understand that in many UN documents/internationally recognised agreements the term used is non existent. Try searching for it in UNCLOS, for example, find it, NO. it is another weasal word which implies something which does not, in law, exist. But keep drinking the

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Originally Posted by misskit

"Back when ties between China and Vietnam soured in 1979, China and the United States were more closely allied," Xia said. "But now, the U.S. has brought Vietnam into the Trans-Pacific Partnership." "U.S.-Vietnam relations have done a 180 degree turn," he said.

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Nobody, in the world has ratified the TPP or the TITP. As for a 180 turn, we shall see.

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Originally Posted by misskit

Wake Forest University researcher Li Weixin agreed.

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Is this Chinese named person somebody who has intensive knowledge of the SCS situation, a Chinese named person residing in North Carolina or a semi acceptable person who talks on an Ameristani organisation, Radio Free Asia?

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China's state media have hit out at the lifting of the U.S. government's 41-year-old arms embargo on Vietnam, as analysts said the regional war of words could exacerbate small-scale, localized confrontation.

While U.S. officials have said the move wasn't made with Beijing in mind, official media controlled by the ruling Chinese Communist Party struck a warning note in editorials likely to have been approved at the highest level this week.

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I love it when the Chinese government/CCP cry like bitches

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cry like bitches

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They are immune to crying, hearing a pig squeal is music to their ears though.

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Originally Posted by OhOh

They are immune to crying, hearing a pig squeal is music to their ears though.

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They are far from immune in fact they cried pretty hard in '79 when the Viets kicked their ass back across the boarder into China. Leaving that Chinese nose nice and bloodied they did. :)

"In the winter of 1978, when Deng Xiaoping made his threat of a “lesson,” more than 80,000 Chinese troops were sent across the border into Vietnam. Chinese Deputy Defense Minister Su Yu boasted of being able to take Hanoi in a week, but the untested and under-equipped People’s Liberation Army (PLA) met fierce resistance from battle-hardened Vietnamese forces deployed across the frontier’s limestone karsts. The Chinese were slaughtered by local militia from positions that had been utilized for centuries against invaders from the north."

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China Paper Warns US of 'Price' to Pay in South China Sea

BEIJING—
The flagship newspaper of China's ruling Communist Party on Wednesday warned Washington that there would be a “price” to pay if it crosses China's “bottom line” by meddling in disputes over the South China Sea.

The People's Daily editorial comes as Beijing ramps up efforts to assert its stance ahead of a ruling by an international tribunal in a case filed by the Philippines challenging China's claims to most of the South China Sea. China is boycotting the case before The Hague-based court and says it will not accept the verdict.

The paper said that bilateral ties and regional stability were at stake and that the U.S. should recognize that “there is a bottom line with every issue, and a price will be paid if that line is crossed.”

“If the United States, regardless of the cost, chooses the path of `brinkmanship' that pressures and intimidates others, there will be only one result, that is, that the U.S. bears all the responsibility for possibly further heightening tensions in the South China Sea,” the editorial said.

“China has a solid-rock position over safeguarding China's national sovereignty and territorial integrity. It will not want anything that does not belong to it, but it will ensure that every inch of land it owns is safe and sound,” the paper wrote.

The newspaper has previously accused Washington of seeking to turn the South China Sea “into a powder keg” and warned it not to underestimate China's determination to defend its territorial claims.

China on Tuesday also started holding seven days of military drills around disputed islands in the sea.

China Paper Warns US of 'Price' to Pay in South China Sea

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“If the United States, regardless of the cost, chooses the path of `brinkmanship' that pressures and intimidates others....

....It will not want anything that does not belong to it, but it will ensure that every inch of land it owns is safe and sound.....

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It's hilarious how the Chinese attempt to turn around situations to their advantage.

Their hyperbole is absurd, and they seem to almost foam at the mouth with Communist zeal.

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The People's Daily editorial comes as Beijing ramps up efforts to assert its stance ahead of a ruling by an international tribunal in a case filed by the Philippines challenging China's claims to most of the South China Sea. China is boycotting the case before The Hague-based court and says it will not accept the verdict.
“If the United States, regardless of the cost, chooses the path of `brinkmanship' that pressures and intimidates others, there will be only one result, that is, that the U.S. bears all the responsibility for possibly further heightening tensions in the South China Sea,” the editorial said.

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So if the Court rules against China, it will be the US and everyone else who is taking it to the brink...?
As LD says, it is ridiculous how China tries to turn everything around, and a lot of bluster.
I would like to know what cards they have in their deck to play when the nobody backs down.

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China is boycotting the case before The Hague-based court and says it will not accept the verdict.

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Sounds like the call of an entity that knows it's in the wrong.

As Cujo said, the Chinese claims are preposterous.

They are going to cry like bitches on the 12th. Puff their cheeks, pout, and the world will laugh.

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Originally Posted by MrG

So if the Court rules against China, it will be the US and everyone else who is taking it to the brink.

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The court where the Philippines called for a decision is not a competent authority. They have no power to determine disputes of this kind.

Everyone else? Care to name the countries which are agreeing with the Philippines in SE Asia?

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Sounds like the call of an entity that knows it's in the wrong. As Cujo said, the Chinese claims are preposterous.

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China has the legal authority and military muscle to back it's claims. The previous Philippine government was persuaded by the Ameristanis, who have not signed up to the rulings of this court, to ask for a ruling from a court which has no legal right/jurisdiction in this type of disagreement.

Try reading the UNCLOS rules/jurisdiction link, it has been posted here previously. Or keep drinking the koolaid.

Ugghhh -a disgusting Wumao.

Reviled worldwide.

You'll be crying on the 12th, along with all of China when the Hague votes for the Philippines.

You disgusting brown-nosing kunt.

An UNCLOS announcement means what? Who will act upon it in SE Asia?

The Ameristani child killers wont like it but what are they going to do? Send a few more aircraft carriers who stay on the Pacific side of the Philippine island for safety.

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