Not much good when there are 100,000 Chinese 5 years old ready to hack them within 3 seconds. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
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Not much good when there are 100,000 Chinese 5 years old ready to hack them within 3 seconds. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
Steady on, dudes. These missiles are for "peaceful, civilian purposes".
You are a retarded fuck-knuckle of the lowest order.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
It has been many centuries since China controlled the south china sea. It has no land there with which to lay a modern legal claim to control over the waters under current international maritime law.
Manufacturing artificial islands does not count.
It is a blatantly illegal attempt to take control of an international waterway which is vital to international trade.
They deserve to be punished like the uncivilised cockroaches that they are.
Oh please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
No one has the balls.
If anyone can lay claim to those islands, it is the Cham. The Cham: Descendants of Ancient Rulers of South China Sea Watch Maritime Dispute From Sidelines
And Wiki has good background info : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands
They said they wouldn't. Then they did.
That's what you have when you deal with the Chinese government.
Fixed that for you.Quote:
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Obviously only a preserve of the Chinese government.Quote:
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:rolleyes:
You live in such a small world. It's been many centuries since the original idea came into force. Then the allowable distance was 3 miles - the distance a cannon could fire a ball. This has been extended and various distances are accepted by different countries. Now the cannon has been replaced with the ICBM, which has a range of 1,000s of Km. Should the distance be adjusted to take into account the now "reach of any available weapon"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
Says whom? Who is going to throw them off, you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
The "cockroaches" will outlast you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
Oh no! No another thieving, lying government in the world. Who would dream of doing such a thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baas Babelaas
Why does Ameristan even care, they've not even signed up to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).
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Originally Posted by OhOh
China's new gig is that they are the cancer of this region. They are all going to die of lung cancer anyway.
Gesundheit ! :rolleyes:
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You talk utterly unsupportable crap in defence of your scatter-brained inane political positions.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
China has no land in the south China sea so it has no claim to territorial waters there. Many centuries ago they may have controlled the water but the have not done so for a long time.
Whatever the territorial water range calculation is Chinas claim will be trumped by the other regional nations in that area which all have land mass closer to the water in dispute. Falling back on a claim that Chinas military controlled the water many centuries ago is utterly desperate reaching nonsense that nobody is going to buy.
('Says who') Are you seriously that fucking dumb that you don't see the problem with one nation building an artificial military island 1000 kms away from their mainland and 100km off the coast of another nation in order to set up a spurious claim to territorial waters? You have got a brain like a box of frogs.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
So it is ethically OK in the world of 21st century global politics to do anything you like as long as you believe you can militarily defend your actions or you can avoid military confrontation? You are living in the 17th century you foking muppet.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
Missile Moves Raise Political Temperature in the South China Sea
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An aerial view shows part of the city of Sansha on the island of Yongxing, also known as Woody island, in the disputed Paracel chain where China reportedly moved in antiaircraft missiles.
Accusations that China has placed anti-aircraft batteries on a disputed island in the South China Sea are stoking tensions in a region that is grappling with Beijing’s claim to maritime rights that cover nearly the entire area.
On Wednesday Taiwan’s Ministry of National Defense said in a statement that it had "grasped that Communist China deployed" an unspecified number of missiles on Woody Island in the Paracel group.
Moving the ground-to-air missiles onto the island, would allow China to bolster its claim on an important strategic resource. China has been building new islands in the disputed sea by piling sand atop reefs and then adding airstrips and what look like military installations.
Woody Island, which the Chinese call Yongxing, is also claimed by Taiwan and Vietnam. The island contains an artificial harbor, an airport, roads, army posts, a helicopter base and other buildings, the Associated Press reports.
Some of the world’s busiest sea lanes traverse the area which is also a rich fishing ground and may contain petroleum reserves beneath the sea bed.
U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said on Wednesday that the U.S. expects to have "very serious" talks with China about the South China Sea.
“There is every evidence, every day that there has been an increase of militarization of one kind or another. It’s of serious concern,” he said. “We’ve had these conversations with the Chinese, and I’m confident that over the next days we will have further, very serious conversation on this.”
China did not directly deny the reports, instead Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi criticized the media for making sensationalist claims, while he bragged about the “public goods and services” the nation provides in the region, according to news reports.
Taiwan and China both claim nearly the entire sea. Vietnam and the Philippines also have large claims, while Brunei and Malaysia have smaller stakes to waters and features that lie much closer to those nations than they do to far away China.
Obama seeks "tangible steps"
Beijing’s move comes just after President Obama and leaders of the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations wrapped up a meeting in California. Obama called for a halt to militarization in the South China Sea after the meeting ended on Tuesday.
“We discussed the need for tangible steps in the South China Sea to lower tensions, including a halt to further reclamation, new construction and militarization of disputed areas,” Obama said at a news conference Tuesday."Freedom of navigation must be upheld and lawful commerce should not be impeded."
While the joint ASEAN-U.S. statement issued after the meeting failed to mention China by name, it included a “commitment to maintain peace, security and stability in the region, ensuring maritime security and safety, including the rights of freedom of navigation and overflight.”
That language has been a consistent watchword for the U.S. and its allies as they seek to counter China’s ascendance in the region.
“This happened when the U.S.-ASEAN summit took place as Washington and the ASEAN leaders agreed to voice the concerns over the South China Sea,” Tran Cong Truc, the former chief of Vietnam’s border committee, told RFA’s Vietnamese service.
“China decided to push forward with their plan in an attempt to try to ruin the common voice of ASEAN and the U.S. in countering China,” he said.
While China may want to drive a wedge between ASEAN and the U.S., it is also testing its neighbors, he explained.
“By doing this they want to test the water to see how other countries will react so they can continue with their plan, deploying modern weapons to the Spratly Islands,” Tran Cong Truc said.
Taiwan military analyst Chen Guoming told RFA’s Cantonese service that the satellite intelligence is highly unlikely to be mistaken, and that the missiles on the island are likely China's home-produced Hongqi-9 series, or the Russian-built S-300 series.
Chen said the militarization of the Nansha, or Spratlys, could mean that China's neighbors and fellow claimants may do the same.
Vietnamese concerns
The dispute hits Vietnam particularly hard, as many Vietnamese feel the Chinese move smacks of imperialism.
Vietnamese activists chanted anti-China slogans in Hanoi Wednesday as they marked the 37th anniversary of a border war with their giant neighbor, AFP reported.
In a pre-planned event, more than 100 people gathered in Hanoi to mark China's 1979 invasion of Vietnam's northernmost provinces.Security officials stood by as veterans chanted "down with China, down with China's invasion,” AFP reported.
The short but bloody war came after Vietnam toppled the Beijing-backed Khmer Rouge regime in neighboring Cambodia. The war ended with Chinese forces withdrawing and both powers claiming victory.
Although Vietnam celebrates military victories over the French and American armies, there are no official events to mark the China border war.
But Beijing's increasingly assertive stance in the contested waters triggered public anger and rounds of protests in authoritarian Vietnam where the demonstrations are sometimes forcefully broken up.
Just how far Vietnam will go is unclear as China is also a one-party communist state that, like Vietnam, rejects outside pressure over its human rights practices and shortcomings in the rule of law. China is also Vietnam’s biggest trading partner.
Fox News reported that China had moved surface-to-air missiles to the Paracels, identifying them as two batteries of the HQ-9 system, along with radar targeting arrays. The missiles have a range of about 200 kilometers (125 miles), making them a threat to all forms of civilian and military aircraft.
“We believe this is an attempt by certain Western media to create news stories," Chinese Foreign Minister Wang told reporters after a meeting with Australian Minister of Foreign Affairs Julie Bishop.
The development is largely civilian oriented and benefited the region, he told the AP and pointed to the construction of light houses, weather stations, and rescue and shelter facilities for fishermen.
"All of those are actions that China as the biggest littoral state in the South China Sea, has undertaken to provide more public goods and services to the international community and play its positive role there," minister Wang said, according to reports.
Construction of military infrastructure is "consistent with the right to self-preservation and self-protection that China is entitled to under international law, so there should be no question about that," he said.
Missile Moves Raise Political Temperature in the South China Sea
South China Sea dispute: US attacks China 'militarisation'
US Secretary of State John Kerry says Washington is seriously concerned about increased Chinese militarisation in the contested South China Sea.
He was responding to reports Beijing has deployed surface-to-air missiles on a disputed island in the region.
China dismissed the reports as "hype", but said it had the right under international law to defend itself.
Several nations claim territory in the resource-rich South China Sea, which is also an important shipping route.
A spokesman for Mr Kerry said satellite images appeared to confirm China had deployed anti-aircraft missiles on Woody or Yongxing Island in the Paracels.
The island is claimed by China, Taiwan and Vietnam and the presence of missiles would significantly increase tensions.Mr Kerry said the US expected to have a "very serious conversation" with China over its presence.
- See images from Woody/Yongxing Island
- China's Island Factory
- Flying close to Beijing's new South China Sea islands
- What is the South China Sea dispute about?
"There is every evidence, every day, that there has been an increase of militarisation from one kind or another. It's a serious concern," he said.
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The latest images of Woody Island were captured by ImageSat International.
A picture dated 3 February shows a beach on the island empty. By 14 February it contains several missile launchers and support vehicles.
But the Chinese Foreign Minister, Wang Yi, said reports were a Western media invention.
He defended "the limited and necessary self-defence facilities" on islands inhabited by Chinese personnel as "consistent with the right for self-preservation and self-protection.... under the international law".
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China has been carrying out extensive land reclamation work in the region, which it says is legal and for civilian purposes.
But the work has angered other countries which also claim the territory, and there is growing concern about the implications of the area becoming militarised.
The South China Sea dispute has been a topic of debate at a meeting of South East Asian regional leaders in California.
US President Barack Obama said the members had discussed the need for "tangible steps" to reduce tensions.
What is the South China Sea dispute?
Rival countries have wrangled over territory in the South China Sea for centuries, but tension has steadily increased in recent years.
Its islets and waters are claimed in part or in whole by Taiwan, China, Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia and Brunei.
China has backed its expansive claims with island-building and naval patrols, while the US says it opposes restrictions on freedom of navigation and unlawful sovereignty claims - by all sides, but seen by many as aimed at China.
The frictions have sparked concern that the area is becoming a flashpoint with global consequences.
South China Sea dispute: US attacks China 'militarisation' - BBC News
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Originally Posted by Looper
Hey Loopy, I like OhOh idea.
I think Germany has all rights to claim back the land and sea that our Emperor/Kaiser once had. We can then resettle all our refugees to Königsberg (maybe add a few missiles in their bags :rolleyes:)
This idea is up for a Noble Peace Price !
Anyone looking at that map can see that although it might (at a stretch) be said that China has a claim on the Paracel Islands, trying to claim any of the Spratleys is taking it way too far. Look where they are in relation to Vietnam and The Phils !
The mainland Chinese really are a bunch of slimy, pushy jerks.
In whose court? Who will enforce the decision?Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
Take at look at who else is building islands, to no apparent condemnation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
"Global politics is who has the might, financially and militarily to enforce or bribe it's vasals. Some "exceptional" countries have been doing consistently during the last few decades.Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
No, the Ameristanis and their vassals are the ones "stoking tension.Quote:
Originally Posted by misskit
Look whose talking, the "exceptional" country, :rofl: How are the Ameristanis planning to "counter" the Chinese?Quote:
Originally Posted by misskit
So whats new, or are you suggesting other countries politicians aren't?Quote:
Originally Posted by Latindancer
Don't project your own fantasies, keep them to yourself, pervert.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baas Babelaas
Maybe they can put one of their fake F-22's on there.
https://www.yahoo.com/autos/where-di...194030501.html
To really have a laugh. :)
I believe that Germany signed away any claims following their surrender after WWII. You know after slaughtering millions of people.Quote:
Originally Posted by HermantheGerman
Currently does the German constitution allow for any foreign military action? Do the German people want to go to war again?
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Originally Posted by OhOh
What an utter cock-brain you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
The ability to possibly get away with some greedy self-serving territorial shenanigans by taking a calculated risk that maybe no-one will try to stop you militarily does not make it OK to do it.
Building islands 1000km away from your mainland and 100km offshore from another nation in order to fabricate a spurious claim to maritime territorial control is utter bollix as everyone including you well knows.
Get your head out of your arse.
For what reasons did you have to mention "slaughtering millions of people" ???Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
If you do, then you should mention that your beloved leader Mao Zedong, founder of the People's Republic of China, qualifies as the greatest mass murderer in world history killing over 45million and STILL counting
Yes ! Yes !Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
...anymore dumb questions ?
When a baby is born on these new chinese islands ,is it a chinese citizen?
^
It surely depends on the citizenship status of the parents?
Hanoi Lodges Protests Over Beijing's Deployments in the South China Sea
Hanoi formally protested China’s reported decision to put an antiaircraft battery on a disputed island in the Paracel chain in the South China Sea telling Beijing that the move threatens “regional peace and security: and violates Vietnam’s sovereignty.
“These actions seriously infringe Viet Nam's sovereignty over the Paracel Archipelago, threaten the regional peace and stability as well as security, safety and freedom of navigation and overflight in the East Sea,” Foreign Ministry spokesman Le Hai Binh said in a statement Friday using Vietnam’s term for the sea.
“Viet Nam asks China to immediately stop such erroneous actions,” he added.
The statement said diplomatic notes had been issued to China's embassy in Hanoi and to United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon to protest at Beijing's activities
Tensions between China and its neighbors have been on the rise since China began building up islands in the waterway with artificial harbors and airport facilities capable of handling military aircraft.
The Chinese government has offered few details in response to the missile claim, while accusing Western media of "hyping up" the story and saying China has a legitimate right to military facilities on territory it views as its own.
While many nations have claims to the South China Sea with its busy shipping lanes, teaming fisheries and the likelihood of vast petroleum reserves, the dispute is especially intense between Vietnam and China.
Woody Island, the largest of the Paracel Islands has been under the control of Beijing since 1956. Although Woody Island is also claimed by Taiwan and Vietnam, in 1974, the then South Vietnamese government suffered a naval loss to China in a battle over the Paracels.
While reports of the missile battery on Woody Island grabbed international attention China has also constructed a military helicopter base on Duncan Island. Both issues were mentioned in Vietnam’s formal protest.
Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull also urged claimants to refrain from island-building and militarization in the South China Sea.
"We urge all claimants in the South China Sea to refrain from any building of islands, any militarization of islands, any land reclamation," Turnbull told reports during a press conference with his New Zealand counterpart John Key in Sydney, according to The Straits Times
Turnbull said both Australia and New Zealand wanted to see a lowering of tensions as he urged Chinese President Xi Jinping to resolve all disputes in the seas through legal means.
The Philippines also expressed grave concerns about the reports of missiles being deployed on Woody Island.
"These developments further erode trust and confidence and aggravate the already tense situation," its Foreign Ministry said in a statement.
Beijing has been angered by air and sea patrols the United States has conducted near islands China claims. Those have included one by two B-52 strategic bombers in November and by a U.S. Navy destroyer that sailed within 12 nautical miles of Triton Island in the Paracels last month.
“The deployment of a very sophisticated and lethal air defense system is no doubt in response to US aerial activities and the recent freedom of navigation operational patrol near Triton Island,” said Carl Thayer, a professor at the University of New South Wales in Australia and an expert on the region.
“China's actions raise the stakes and risks for future US maritime reconnaissance patrols in waters surrounding the Paracels,” he said. “The [Chinese air defense] system could also threaten carrier based planes coming to the assistance of a US Navy warship that was confronted by China during a future freedom of navigation exercise in the Paracels.”
Hanoi Lodges Protests Over Beijing's Deployments in the South China Sea
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Satellite imagery analysis by geopolitical intelligence firm Stratfor shows probable surface-to-air launcher batteries and associated radar by China on Woody Island in the South China Sea. (Courtesy of Stratfor)
SEOUL—
Five years after U.S. President Barack Obama committed to a strategic rebalance to Asia, shifting diplomatic and military resources to the globe’s economic engine, critics say the move was oversold and, so far, it has under delivered.
At a time when Beijing’s assertive moves to claim territory in the South China Sea draw headlines and worried responses from regional countries, some say China appears to be outmaneuvering its rivals in the race to assert claims over the vast strategic sea.
“As somebody sitting in the Asia Pacific region and observing the U.S. presence in the Asia Pacific, we’ve only seen glimmers of the rebalance,” said William Choong, a Shangri-La Dialogue senior fellow for Asia-Pacific Security in Singapore.
For decades, the U.S. Navy has protected key shipping routes in the Pacific.
The U.S. Navy is still the supreme ocean power, but China has moved to enforce its claims and expand its presence in the South China Sea – without putting its official military forces in the foreground.
more here Obama?s Asia Pivot Increases US Influence But Fails to Stop China
Cunning devils, these Orientals.Quote:
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Beijing Accuses US for Militarizing South China Sea
BEIJING – China’s Foreign Ministry has accused the US of militarizing the South China Sea, just days after it was revealed that Beijing had deployed surface-to-air missiles on an island in the hotly disputed area.
Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei told reporters that patrols by US military aircraft and Navy vessels, along with joint exercises involving regional partners were the true reason why concerns were growing over peace and stability.
“The above actions have escalated tensions in the South China Sea, and that’s the real militarization of the South China Sea,” Hong said.
US and Taiwanese officials this week confirmed commercial satellite images showing the missiles placed on Woody Island in the disputed Paracel chain.
China has not denied the appearance of the missiles, but says it is entitled to defend its territory and points to the construction of lighthouses, weather stations and other infrastructure undertaken to provide more “public goods and services to the international community.”
The deployment follows China’s building of new islands by piling sand atop reefs and then adding airstrips and military installations. The buildup is seen as part of Beijing’s efforts to claim virtually the entire disputed sea and its resources.
Vietnam, which along with Taiwan also claims the Paracels, issued a diplomatic note to the Chinese Embassy in Hanoi on Friday to demand a stop to what it called “China’s infringement of Vietnam’s sovereignty” over the islands.
China’s action “have also threatened peace and stability in the region as well as security, safety, and freedom of navigation and aviation,” Foreign Ministry spokesman Le Hai Binh told reporters.
The Philippines, which claims waters and features east of Woody island, on Friday said it was “gravely concerned” by reports of the missile deployments.
“Such actions negate China’s earlier commitment not to militarize the South China Sea,” the Department of Foreign Affairs said in a statement.
Although not one of the six governments with claims in the South China Sea, the US says it has a national interest in the region’s stability and freedom of navigation and overflight in and above what are some of the world’s busiest sea lanes.
Secretary of State John Kerry has suggested that the positioning of missiles and other signs of increasing militarization contradicted a public assurance from Chinese President Xi Jinping when he visited the White House last September.
Hong’s comments represent China’s attempt to turn that accusation back on Washington, a cause to which it has rallied its entirely state-controlled media outlets.
China’s “defensive deployment on Yongxing targets external military threats,” the Communist Party newspaper Global Times said in an editorial, using China’s name for Woody Island. “The US is bold about imposing pressure on China, and China must make an appropriate response.”
Beijing Accuses US for Militarizing South China Sea | Chiang Rai Times English Language Newspaper
That takes some cheek.Quote:
Originally Posted by misskit
[QUOTE=Looper;3210570]Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
What an utter cock-brain you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
The ability to possibly get away with some greedy self-serving territorial shenanigans by taking a calculated risk that maybe no-one will try to stop you militarily does not make it OK to do it.
Building islands 1000km away from your mainland and 100km offshore from another nation in order to fabricate a spurious claim to maritime territorial control is utter bollix as everyone including you well knows.
Get your head out of your arse.[/QUOTE
Hear hear!
No friend of mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by HermantheGerman
Because as you proclaim to be German I suspected you knew the answers. I was hoping for some facts, do you have any links to backup your claims?Quote:
Originally Posted by HermantheGerman
Which countries government introduced weapons to the area first ? Which country has used either force or the projection of offensive force so far?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrG
China.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
When and where?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrG
They put up similar photo's from Iraq, then after the attack, said they were phony,
??????????????
The moment they started building islands and warned everybody to keep away.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOhWhen and where?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrG
Read the news. Don't be such a coy little jerk.
An island made of sand is an offensive weapon? They even put a lighthouse on it, to warn ships of the underlying reef - which was always there. Seems like a service to all seamen.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrG
As you haven't quoted any previous installation of offensive weapons on islands in the South China Sea, by China, I conclude that the introduction of Ameristani armed aircraft and warships, was another example of them playing pigeon chess, were the first occurrences of offensive weapons into the area.
"The pigeon knocks over all the pieces, craps on the board, then struts around like it won the game"
(Scott D. Weitzenhoffer 2005)
It's amazing what these satellites can photograph, unless that is it's the Russian army's invasion of Ukraine. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mozzbie47
Are you really this foking dumb you spakker or are you trolling?Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
They are using the island to make a spurious claim to territorial control of the waters which are 1000km away from the Chinese mainland and clearly much nearer other nations' coastlines. They are warning other nations to stay away from their 'island' and saying that coming too close is provocation for military conflict.
Do you think this is reasonable civilised 21st century behaviour for an economic top tier nation?
Do you support any nation building artificial islands anywhere the like in order to make territorial claims over waterways?
It's just par for the course for cvnts like them, who invaded Tibet for the mineral wealth and territory, killing a couple of million people in the process, whilst claiming they had liberated the place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
What a bunch of atrocious, hypocrital, soulless, self-righteous jerks the Mainland Chinese turned out to be. The stories coming out of that place horrify and utterly anger me.
South China Sea: US admiral Joseph Aucoin urges Australia to launch 'freedom of navigation' operation
One of the most powerful figures in the United States military has called on Australia to follow America's lead by launching "freedom of navigation" naval operationswithin 12 nautical miles of contested islands in the South China Sea.
The Commander of the US Seventh Fleet, Vice Admiral Joseph P Aucoin, is visiting Australia for high-level talks with defence leaders, with whom he has discussed growing concerns with Beijing's military expansion in the region.
Speaking to reporters in Sydney, Admiral Aucoin said it would be in the region's "best interests" if Australia and other nations sent warshipswithin 12 nautical miles of disputed territory in the South China Sea.
Before and after: South China Sea
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See how China is converting reefs to military facilities by building artificial islands in the South China Sea.
Since October 2015, the US has conducted two freedom of navigation operations in the disputed territory, the most recent involving the guided missile destroyer USS Curtis Wilbur, which came within 12 nautical miles of Triton Island in January.
"We haven't changed what we're doing, we're pretty much doing what we've done for decades and decades; ensuring that these sea lines of communication remain open," Admiral Aucoin said.
"And so we've done it, but I really wish it wasn't portrayed as US versus China.
"Really what we're trying to ensure here is that we're exercising our rights and freedoms under the law of the sea.
"This shouldn't seem provocative.
"What we're trying to ensure is that all countries, no matter size or strength, can pursue their interests based on the law of the sea and not have that endangered by some of these actions."
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Photo: Satellite image shows a Chinese missile set-up on the South China Sea's Woody Island. (Supplied: ImageSat International)
Admiral Aucoin agreed it would be "valuable" for Australia and other nations to conduct operations similar to the US.
"It's up to those countries, but I think it's in our best interests to make sure that those sea lines remain open, I'll leave it at that," he said.
Last week Labor's defence spokesman Stephen Conroy also called for the Royal Australian Navy to test Beijing's claims in the South China Sea by going within 12 nautical miles of contested islands.
Defence Minister Marise Payne would not comment publicly on the specific details of ADF activities, but said Australia supported each country's rights to freedom of navigation.
"As Vice Admiral Joseph Aucoin said, freedom of navigation exercises are a matter for each individual country," the statement said.
"The Australian Government supports the rights of all states to exercise freedom of navigation and freedom of overflight under international law.
"As we do now, and have done for many years, Australian vessels and aircraft will continue to exercise rights under international law to freedom of navigation and freedom of overflight, including in the South China Sea.
Vietnam, China, Malaysia have eyes on the prize
Explore the conflicting territorial claims in the South China Sea
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South China Sea: US admiral Joseph Aucoin urges Australia to launch 'freedom of navigation' operation - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Good idea. Get it right up these cheeky chinky conts.
But where are Vietnam, Phils, Malaysia and the rest of them?
We need to do weekly sails past and anchor up and do a spot of fishing, but don't just leave it up the west as usual. Everybody needs to get involved.
These chink coonts need a rocket up their cheeky monkey arses.
You really do need to look at the information again and stop repeating shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
The Chinese have "claimed" the South China Sea for centuries as well as receiving tribute from the surrounding countries, but were not able to do anything about them recently . Unfortunately they were promised, by the "Great Powers" in various legal documents/declaration of peace etc. their return, but the promises from the "Great Powers" were as usual smoke and mirrors.
They are not "using the islands" to back their claim, they are using their claim to develop their islands.
As China does, it waits for the aggressor nation to weaken, which they have. It is now able to project and defend it's territorial claims.
You have obviously never approached the shore line, by sea or air, of a foreign country without gaining permission, you have obviously never approached a warship either at sea or in a port.Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
Try it and see the reaction of the country or warship.
There is a lot of barbaric "21st century behavior" that "civilised" countries leaders use around the world today. I would suggest developing an Island, legally owned by China, does not fit into the barbaric category.Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
Many countries build islands all around the world, some even within, what China claims, as it's sovereign territory. Has China gone to war with these countries, have they placed sanctions on them, have they "bombed them back to the stone age" No they have turned a blind eye to an insignificant pin prick and continue to invest and trade with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
However the Ameristan government has decided to "raise the temperature" in yet another land 1,000s of miles from it's shores and try and enlist some vassals to engage the enemy. These vassals should look at how Ameristan treats it's vassals, whenever they become irrelevant, e.g terrorist groups,Turkey and Saudi in the Syrian war for one current
example.
One should inquire as to why Ameristan needs to be at war around the world CONTINUOUSLY(since 1684 or whenever it was formed).
You are the most cretinous cock-brain ever to try and argue a political case.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
There is no legitimate basis for its territorial claims. They controlled the sea many centuries ago. For many centuries they have not controlled the sea. In relatively recent times we have developed maritime laws that determine what sea lies within a country's control. China has no legitimate claim to this sea under those laws. They are manufacturing 'islands' in order to fabricate the claim. That is the wrong way round. You can only manufacture island's in sea that you already have legitimate control over.
Either you already knew that and you are trolling or you are an utter bell-end brain.