Same shit, different ship

[bsnub]

No wonder, they scuttled the ship. The only thing they could do to get rid of Mendy's body hair.

[david44]

^ I think that if there is seabed mapping to do, these tin-pot woke navies should just leave it to the civilian specialist contractors. We are highly regulated and constantly undergo testing and re-certification, something that maybe the government run navies aren't?

I saw an interview on one of the NZ press links where the clueless NZ defense minister was starting to cast aspersions on the vessel itself, mentioning it's 20 year age and the possibility of a power outage, with obvious innuendo. She clearly had no idea what she was talking about, calling the vessel previously She didn't seem to realise that if there was a 'power outage' on such a state of the art vessel, then it would be due to extremely poor routines and maintenance, so only one place to apportion blame.

There's plenty about the Edda Fonn's refit for the NZ navy here... permenaent dive, ROV and hydrographic mapping systems were added.

News - Page 5 of 19 - Ostensjo

A nice quote from Østensjø Rederi (the Edda Fonn's previous owner) here, as they handed her over. He obviously made a few assumptions...






A lot less than 1 Nautical Mile from shore, yet miraculously we didn't run aground. Could it be that people were actually watching the echosounders (of which there was extensive redundancy) on this high tech, DP Class 2 vessel?



The Stealth ROV, a pioneering vehicle in high-speed ROV pipeline inspection and seabed mapping.



Some Norwegian project...



Supporting the lay barge LB200 during the Langeled South pipeline lay, the southern leg of the 42in diameter gas pipeline from Nyhamna in Norway that supplies around 30% of the UK's gas requirements from the Ormen Lange field.



And my office on the Fonn from around 20 years ago. Digital video was just coming in so pipeline inspection video was still being recorded to SVHS. You will notice that the video cassettes are in groups of three... one each for the port, centre and starboard camera (both sides and top of pipe). It was a nighmare to keep these synched together. Also a lot of paperwork around... it's all digital now of course. Life was a lot easier back then.



My cabin on the Edda Fonn... she had these strange cabins with two inner bunk areas and an outer 'living' area, for two people. This is all underwater now, of course.



And yours truly, hard at work on the Edda Fonn. No gut and no grey hair two decades ago. After looking at this I'm seriously considering having a go with the wife's hair dye. I looked a lot younger with brown hair.



And even back in the 'Noughties', nice to see that I had impeccable taste in footwear.

You can't beat a decent pair of sandals.



RIP, Edda Fonn.

So you youthful handsome and loaded, must have been a big hit with the Faroe sex on shore leave.

I worked on a her on a regular rotation between 2003 and 2006.

Same my missus until fully reeled in. Reminds me I need a refit get the barnacles off my bottom.
Good luck shipmate, at least no loss of life.Seems odd so deep after a reef collision.

[Shutree]

Seems odd so deep after a reef collision.

I was looking for some reliable source to confirm that. No depth was mentioned on the original NZ release.

HMNZS Manawanui crew and passengers rescued after ship runs aground in Samoa - New Zealand Defence Force

The US Naval Institute did not touch on that point, although they did have this to say:

The loss of Manawanui has reduced the RNZN fleet to eight ships and added to tfleet availability issues. The RNZN have laid up three ships, offshore patrol vessels HMNZS Otago (P148) and HMNZS Wellington (P55), and inshore patrol vessels HMNZS Hawea (P3571), due to a lack of personnel to crew the ships. Frigate HMNZS Te Mana (F111) is in the midst of an extended maintenance period which includes upgrades to its communication systems, leaving now only four ships on operational status – frigate HMNZS Te Kaha (F77), multi-role vessel HMNZS Canterbury (L421), fleet oiler HMNZS Aotearoa (A11) and inshore patrol vessel HMNZS Taupo (P3570).

Attention Required! | Cloudflare

[Shy Guava]

I read in a NZ newspaper that data recently collected from the wreck indicated that two or three large boulder type articles had broken loose in one of the cabins and the automatic systems on the ship were unable to compensate for their erratic movement in heavy seas.

The newspaper said the navy idea had no idea who would have brought these rocks on board but suspect it had been done before the refit and they had somehow escaped detection. Commander Tui Latui commented "This is not the behaviour of a normal person. The navy is pursuing the theory that a geologist must have been involved".

[david44]

a geologist must have been involved

The Rocky Horror Show!

[Edmond]

You have the air of a younger Ian Hislop.






Didn't Ant say he applied for the NZ Navy but got rejected?


It was definitely one of smeg's items of public online conversations.

[Edmond]

The radiation from Mendy's leftover towel bag played havoc with the instrumentation?

The only thing they could do to get rid of Mendy's body hair.

I read in a NZ newspaper that data recently collected from the wreck indicated that two or three large boulder type articles had broken loose in one of the cabins and the automatic systems on the ship were unable to compensate for their erratic movement in heavy seas.

You can never rule out the delayed reaction of the automated ballast system trying to reconfigure itself.

[Mendip]

The only thing they could do to get rid of Mendy's body hair.

I bet Looper has seen a lot more body hair during his recent Iranian excursions.

But anyway, I see plenty of other nasty comments here but am going to spend some time while I consider my response.

[david44]

am going to spend some time while I consider my response.

Such 'dogged' determination impressive from the poop deck makes ship shape and Bristol fashion the standard we should all aim for.

[Reg Dingle]

Nice Pastels Bro


Like, what's under the spotlight?

Back 8n the day.
Maria Whittaker or Lusardi or Fox.?

[happynz]

I saw an interview on one of the NZ press links where the clueless NZ defense minister was starting to cast aspersions on the vessel itself, mentioning it's 20 year age and the possibility of a power outage, with obvious innuendo. She clearly had no idea what she was talking about

The Coalition government is the most corrupt government ever that AoNZ voters foisted upon themselves. Our PM has no portfolios, doesn't read briefing papers, and spends his time making cringe TikToks. The DPM is an ancient chainsmoking alcoholic who rants about the "woke". The other party leader David Seymour is an arrogant Libertarian prick who takes his orders from far-right Canadian and American billionaires.

Judith "Crusher" Collins led the National Party to one of their worst showings in the 2020 GE. As bad as she is, at least she isn't as bad as the venal short-arse baldheaded lazy dickhead we're saddled with until 2026.

Leave it to the young to see through this arse.

[Mendip]

Insurance job?

Evidently not...

“The ship itself is not covered for insurance, as historically RNZN vessels were not insured because of the prohibitive cost. Even if purchased, policies are heavily limited by exclusions and conditions that apply to many activities our Navy operate in, such as shallow waters and cyclone responses,” a spokesperson said.

HMNZS Manawanui: What we know about the ship's sinking | RNZ News

[Shutree]

Good choice of words:

Capie said while there was some information about the sinking - such as the timing of the disaster and the evacuations that took place - there were not many details about exactly what happened on ship.

But he said the Court of Inquiry would be working to get to the bottom of what actually happened in an expeditious fashion.

[david44]

in an expeditious fashion.

An open and Shutree case.

As Mendy hints this is the last kind of vessel to not know what was below so I suggest with no evidence of course may be some kind of error, incompetence or technical breakdown.

It was made extermely clear to me by my ole skipper that no boat is a democracy teh Captain is responsible for the safety of all.

[reddog]

Captain Gray said after she was rescued from her first ship she was selected to be Captain of.
I have often been licked but never beaten.
NZ defence has been run down since Lange was PM in the 1980s.
That Defence Minister must of been appointed withe the right box ticking,what a useless twerp.
She would be out of her depth even in the shallow end of Willlys pool.

[Mendip]

Commander Yvonne Gray was in charge of the $100 million New Zealand naval ship which ran aground on a reef off the coast of Samoa on Saturday.

HMNZS Manawanui sinking: Commander Yvonne Gray reflects on disaster - NZ Herald

My main question is what on earth was a ship of this size doing anywhere near a known reef in the first place?

They said that the reef hadn't been mapped since the 1980s, and that the mapping needed doing due to storms and seismic activity. So, they also had no idea of the water depth, and decided to use a $100 ship with a draught of around 7m? Imbeciles.

Mapping reefs is small boat work, which is why in the civilian world 'nearshore' contractors are used for this type of work. Our minimum water depth when surveying close to shore is around 16m, due to safety concerns. We sub-contract to small boat contractors for shallow water work, such as pipeline landfalls.

If they really wanted to use this ship, then why on earth not use an ROV to first map the limits of the reef? The Edda Fonn had an ROV system and according to press articles, the refit to the HMNZS Manawanui included the installation of a permanent ROV system for the NZ navy to use.

If they were using vessel hull-mounted echosounder (rather than ROV-mounted) to map the seabed around a known reef, with unknown after depth, they were either just plain stupid or incompetent and negligent, or a combination of all.

Maybe there was a 'power outage', but a vessel of that size should never be anywhere a known reef in a blow-on (or current-on) situation in the first place, procedures just shouldn't allow it. If this survey work was being carried out after a 'period of maintenance', then obviously the extensive testing a client would demand of a civilian contractor after significant maintenance, in open water, well away from offshore installations or nearshore shallow water, just didn't happen.

Whatever the outcome of the investigation, the whole things stinks of complete incompetence. The NZ government could have got an awful lot of seabed mapping carried out by a professional, civilian hydrographic survey contractor for $100...

[david44]

Thanks for some expert views .
The fact they don't bother with insurance may reflect the lack of inspection, drills etc.
It is easy to be an armchair expert and to be fair there wa sno loss of life.

Old saying in the senior service

"Shoot an admiral once a century to encourage the others"

This phrase, "Shoot an admiral once a century to encourage the others," is a famous quote attributed to the French philosopher Voltaire, commenting on the execution of Admiral John Byng in 18th century Britain, where Byng was shot by firing squad for failing to adequately defend Minorca during a war, essentially serving as a scapegoat to deter future military failures; implying that the execution was a harsh and unnecessary act meant to intimidate other officers into greater commitment

I am not suggesting this Captain be executed but perhaps retired to cruise in Motor Homes somewhere reefless.

[Mendip]

^ They seem to be so self-congratulatory in abandoning the ship with no loss of life that they've forgotten the main issue... this shouldn't have happened, and should not have even been possible in the first place. The vessel should never have been put in that position.

[bsnub]

Complete and total incompetence. The captain should be forced to resign.

[reddog]

The only boat that Pommy now ex-captain should be allowed to command after sinking
Mendips old boat .But i do not think he is feeling magnanimous enough to donate his tub
from his pond for she would turn it arse up in seconds.

[DrWilly]

it's not like he can keep it afloat.

[CalEden]

New Zealand warship captained by British woman sank because it was left on autopilot

Story by Nick Squires

A New Zealand naval ship that sank after smashing into a coral reef in the South Pacific was left on autopilot, an inquiry has found.

An interim report into the incident said human error was to blame for the sinking of HMNZS Manawanui, the first ship that New Zealand has lost since the Second World War.

Yvonne Gray, the vessel’s British-born captain, is originally from Harrogate, Yorkshire, and previously served in the Royal Navy before moving to New Zealand with her wife.



Article link:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...bfd9eb25&ei=23

[david44]

So it wasn't woman driver who muffed
Not sure whose most put out old shipmate Mendy, the professional sailors of the NZ navy , the reefs and dykes , Fiji or of course Nemo amd his mates, though they just got a free playground thanks to Kiwi taxpayers!

[Mendip]

^^ Thanks Cal.

I've spent quite a lot of time wondering what could have happened to my old boat, and read a fair bit on the interweb about it... but no-one considered the possibility she had been set on bloody auto-pilot to head directly towards a coral reef. That just should not have been a possibility.

Maybe in a time of war the NZ Navy could set their ships on auto-pilot to head directly into mine fields? That would save everyone a lot of time.

Anyway, RIP Edda Fonn.



And thanks for the memories!

[david44]

Anyway, RIP Edda Fonn.



And thanks for the memories!

Hi net worth, hansum man, with perhaps a snake up his vest?