Thread: This guy is fuking insane!

BTW I agree with much of what the guy says in that first video.

I cringe whenever I hear in the news that we need more growth. Our present economic models and policies require more growth. But growth is at the center of our problems. We should develop new economic models.

Of course China and the Third World need growth for their population to improve their living standards. But that is another matter and a huge problem as well.

Moonraker, I'll enter in discussion with you after you've done some background reading!

No point in beginning if you are going to remain truly ignorant of Icke's insights, revelations and claims.

Read the truth. It's out there Moonraker!!! You just need to remove your head from the sands of dismissiveness!

I have read up on Icke.

I have also read up on the theories concerned and love to watch the Likes of Kaku and Brian Cox.

But why is Icke being credited for basically reciting other people's theories? How does this make him insightful?

^sorry moonraker, i was under the impression you actually believed in this stuff ike foams about. Please accept my apologies.

No worries Hazz

I went off on a bit off a confusing tangent anyway, my bad I think.

At last, we've found the source of ENT and Agent_Smith's ramblings

^How dare you insult david ike like that

Humankind have free will in everything they undertake and do.The state of the world today and it"s demise has been caused by you and me,us and them and nobody else.There is a limited number of places at the dinner table. Mahatma Ghandi quoted a long time ago "The world can provide for everyone"s need but not for everyones greed" we will create ARMAGEDDON BY OURSELVES.

Are there greedy & selfish people in the world = There sure is

Are there rich & powerful people in the world that use their wealth and power for personal gain = Sure, it's human nature

Are there media outlets that are manipulated by by wealthy and powerful backers = Sure

Is there a global conspiracy among a few elite to manipulate everything to control the masses at their will = Don't be daft, of course there is not. The logisitics of it would be mind boggling.

Imagine all the people working at the media outlets, hundreds of thousands maybe millions. Those individuals would have to be silenced and for generations. And what of private media outlets?

^ it is very easy to link the connections... Blair being godfather to Murdoch's child is quite a link, for example. Together, with their lies and manipulations, they accomplished the massive feat of taking Britain to a war in Iraq that was both illegal and unwanted by the British people - multiple lies along the way, including promising a referendum before going to war - which never happened; ignoring the largest protests seen in Britain for many decades, breaking international laws, as well as EU and UN resolutions. All their premises were proven to be lies, and known lies; experts who acknowledged such were murdered along the way...
Just two people at the centre of it, a few spin doctors, and millions of pounds profits for those involved... all of which, I repeat were both illegal against the wishes of the British people...

It is easy to check every stage of this process, well documented (although you will find that certain government documents have now been removed from the public domain... the trail has been somewhat 'sanatized...

How can it be said that the 'elite' control the media when the likes of Bush and Blair are vilified so openly in the press for Iraq?

Paranoid theorists seem to forget that the supposedly controlled and manipulated press are always reporting on scandals at the very top.

^ as I've told you no end of times, you are not prepared to educate yourself, research, think for yourself...

You are a fukin moron of the highest order, which I wouldn't mind so much, but when future generations are having their planet ripped and rapped away from them, it is vital that everyone attempts to engage their brain and think for themselves...

Ah, Betty's favourite tactic.

Can't respond to something so he goes on the attack.

^He is getting bit like SD at times

Originally Posted by Moonraker

How can it be said that the 'elite' control the media when the likes of Bush and Blair are vilified so openly in the press for Iraq?

Paranoid theorists seem to forget that the supposedly controlled and manipulated press are always reporting on scandals at the very top.

The elite own the media.

The "leaders" are just leaders, a wannabee elite.
They lead the populace.
On cue.
Controlled by their puppet masters, the media.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Moonraker

How can it be said that the 'elite' control the media when the likes of Bush and Blair are vilified so openly in the press for Iraq?

Paranoid theorists seem to forget that the supposedly controlled and manipulated press are always reporting on scandals at the very top.

The elite own the media.

The "leaders" are just leaders, a wannabee elite.
They lead the populace.
On cue.
Controlled by their puppet masters, the media.

Absolutely true. The media are controlled by the business elite who both select and control our 'leaders'. Cameron, Obama, Sarkozy etc are more or less puppets for the global conglomerates and financiers. They say what they are told to or else their sponsors will get rather cross!!

Moonraker. You state that Bush and Blair are vilified openly in the press. Er...by who exactly. Not by CNN, BBC, ABC, ITN or FOX. The only outlets that spring to mind are a couple of pro-conservative papers in the UK. Even they hold back on revealing the truth about Bush/Blairs real reasons for the War on Terror, 9-11, Dr David Kelly's death and other bare faced lies told by the odious, gruesome twosome.

Originally Posted by Moonraker

Is there a global conspiracy among a few elite to manipulate everything to control the masses at their will = Don't be daft, of course there is not. The logisitics of it would be mind boggling.

Not that i necessarily subscribe to such a view, but the logistics mind-boggling? Hardly.

It would be if there are many thinking people in the world, but there aint. Pretty easy to control actually.

Generally people live in a box, the limits of which has been defined for them. You see it everywhere, even here on rebellious TD. Sometimes it feels like living in Zombieland.

The trick is to get the sheep to ridicule the independents. Works magic, in so many spheres of life. Creating labels are useful in this.

Originally Posted by The balding Coot

Icke might have the odd eccentric madcap theory but he still talks a shitload of sense compared to this lady. He can be mildly amusing but she is just mad, bad and plain jane dangerous

yes, and her fashion sense is terrible

Originally Posted by The balding Coot

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Moonraker

How can it be said that the 'elite' control the media when the likes of Bush and Blair are vilified so openly in the press for Iraq?

Paranoid theorists seem to forget that the supposedly controlled and manipulated press are always reporting on scandals at the very top.

The elite own the media.

The "leaders" are just leaders, a wannabee elite.
They lead the populace.
On cue.
Controlled by their puppet masters, the media.

Absolutely true. The media are controlled by the business elite who both select and control our 'leaders'. Cameron, Obama, Sarkozy etc are more or less puppets for the global conglomerates and financiers. They say what they are told to or else their sponsors will get rather cross!!

Well David Icke would disagree with you there. He seems to think that Bush is a prominent member of the Babylon brotherhood.

Originally Posted by The balding Coot

Moonraker. You state that Bush and Blair are vilified openly in the press. Er...by who exactly. Not by CNN, BBC, ABC, ITN or FOX. The only outlets that spring to mind are a couple of pro-conservative papers in the UK.

That just isn't true

Originally Posted by The balding Coot

Even they hold back on revealing the truth about Bush/Blairs real reasons for the War on Terror, 9-11, Dr David Kelly's death and other bare faced lies told by the odious, gruesome twosome.

If they aren't telling the truth, how can you claim to know what the truth is? That's just paranoid ramblings unless you have an evidence to back it up with.

Originally Posted by FlyFree

Originally Posted by Moonraker

Is there a global conspiracy among a few elite to manipulate everything to control the masses at their will = Don't be daft, of course there is not. The logisitics of it would be mind boggling.

Not that i necessarily subscribe to such a view, but the logistics mind-boggling? Hardly.

It would be if there are many thinking people in the world, but there aint. Pretty easy to control actually.

Generally people live in a box, the limits of which has been defined for them. You see it everywhere, even here on rebellious TD. Sometimes it feels like living in Zombieland.

The trick is to get the sheep to ridicule the independents. Works magic, in so many spheres of life. Creating labels are useful in this.

Reporters, photographers, editors......

How many are there in the world?

For the tin hats, all conspiracies scale

Originally Posted by Moonraker

Originally Posted by The balding Coot

Moonraker. You state that Bush and Blair are vilified openly in the press. Er...by who exactly. Not by CNN, BBC, ABC, ITN or FOX. The only outlets that spring to mind are a couple of pro-conservative papers in the UK.

That just isn't true

Originally Posted by The balding Coot

Even they hold back on revealing the truth about Bush/Blairs real reasons for the War on Terror, 9-11, Dr David Kelly's death and other bare faced lies told by the odious, gruesome twosome.

If they aren't telling the truth, how can you claim to know what the truth is? That's just paranoid ramblings unless you have an evidence to back it up with.

Like the evidence of weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq.....dossiers doctored heavily by the Neo-cons and Bliar. It's common knowledge outside the confines of the mainstream media.

Do some background research

Like the evidence that Al-Queida fanatics flew planes into the twin towers and Pentagon......prepsoterous and laughable. Only an idiot would believe the official chain of events and that the evidence reported on by the media as credible.

Do some background research

Like the evidence that Dr Kelly commited suicide while out walking his dog....what evidence?

Do some background research.

Like the evidence that Osama bin Laden was taken out in Pakistan this year! Absolute nonsense. Who but a hick, force fed on X factor would believe that pile of shite.

Paranoid. Hardly! Take a good look in the mirror, sir! Because if anyone is rambling on here..it's you!!

Over and out!