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    Bangkok air toxicity and traffic - 10 years from now

    Living in this city must surely be detrimental to ones health, and I wonder how many years it takes off ones life breathing in this shit every day. The traffic is an absolute disgrace, the air quality is disgusting and leaves me short of breath just going to Tesco and back standing on the back of a songtaew because most of the time I'm breathing in toxins, drenched in sweat and waiting for the fucking thing to move, so I often end up walking.

    The BTS extension has been ready to go for what, six months now??? But it is still not open because they are squabbling over the money. The BTS was supposed to have 5 cars instead of 3 when it opened almost decade ago but somebody pocketed the cash.

    I tried the new BRT the other day from Chong Nonsi to Naradiwat and it takes up a whole lane of traffic which is kerbed off to keep cars out. The BRT is free at the moment, and is basically a big yellow airport taxi bus which looks like a caterpillar and stops at these roadside platforms. Having one less traffic lane in Sathorn will surely increase the volume of traffic - hopefully to the extent that we see complete irreversible gridlock sometime soon.

    Perhaps irreversible gridlock is the only way for people to get the message, because the BTS, MRT and BRT combined have made very little difference to the traffic problem and Thais are still buying cars like there's no tomorrow.

    Don't Thai people realize that roads and the motorcar were invented to give us freedom??? They seem to accept the traffic as a minor inconvenience to having a car. Here the motorcar does not give the owner freedom, it takes it away. If car owners are so hiso and above non car owners then I don't see why they can't pay a 500 baht fee to enter the city - which could apply to everything except public transport, this would drastically cut the amount of cars in the crapital and hiso idiots could feel even more hiso.

    How I long to live in a log cabin on a mountain in Switzerland, Wellington or Co Kerry, collecting wood for a fire and catching salmon for dinner a nearby river.

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    good news is Bangkok don't make the top 20 polluted cities ...................

    Wonders World: World's Most Polluted Cities

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    I know there's worse, but they don't affect those of us living in Bangkok.

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    Taking public transport is for poor people only.

    I'd rather take my enormous fortuner, on my own. Can't be seen with the lo-so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp
    If car owners are so hiso and above non car owners then I don't see why they can't pay a 500 baht fee to enter the city - which could apply to everything except public transport, this would drastically cut the amount of cars in the crapital and hiso idiots could feel even more hiso.
    Good idea, if only you could trust the bastardoses to put the money into BTS/MRT/bus upgrades/cycle lanes(okay, give that a miss)/road improvements/ road planning.

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    Exactly, the money would go on Toyota Fortuners for the bastardoses.

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    Jeez, a rare 'sensible issue' from me yet it's a sinker - this is why I consider starting posts such as 'Show us your faeces' because they at least get a half century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp View Post
    Living in this city must surely be detrimental to ones health, and I wonder how many years it takes off ones life breathing in this shit every day. The traffic is an absolute disgrace, the air quality is disgusting river...
    It used to be worse so don't complain. Gotten a lot better in the past 10 years...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp View Post
    How I long to live in a log cabin on a mountain in Switzerland, Wellington or Co Kerry, collecting wood for a fire and catching salmon for dinner a nearby river.
    I've got a log chalet in Switzerland - you are welcome to rent it from me for 1000 CHF a month.

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    ^^ Did you change my quote to... the air quality is disgusting river ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp View Post
    ^^ Did you change my quote to... the air quality is disgusting river ??
    I don't know how 'river' got into the quote but it was not intentional. Looked wierd to me too when I croped your post...

    Back in the day, busses used to spew heavy black smoke as well as the trucks. Food vendors all along the sidewalks so you were forced to walk in the street / gutter to get past. Believe me, it's a whole lot better now with the BTS and unleaded gasoline...
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    Bangkok's air quality and traffic snarls will never improve and thats why I moved my family away into the countryside of Banglamaung Province.

    Having said that Pattaya is fast becoming a traffic nightmare so I most probably will have to move again soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp
    Perhaps irreversible gridlock is the only way for people to get the message, because the BTS, MRT and BRT combined have made very little difference to the traffic problem and Thais are still buying cars like there's no tomorrow.
    BTS, MRT and BRT are major improvements but agree, no matter how good they may be, way too much traffic in Central Bangkok.

    There are ways to fix it. Shut down all traffic access to Central Bangkok during peak hours or charge a huge fee (like London) for entry during peak hours.

    Takes time to accept but in the end better, faster and cheaper than sitting in traffic jams everyday for hours.

    Politically acceptable in Thailand? Probably not so not going to happen.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    I reckon all this eco car talk is just that - talk. It's a fad, a silly bandwaggon trend which car companies follow without any real intent or else the roads would be full of humming, non toxic vehicles powered by soya milk or rainwater.

    I say this because I can remember 'green' concept cars being featured on Tomorrows World when I was a kid which was a long time ago, but it looks like car companies are intent of spunking all the planets fossil fuel, until there isn't a drop of oil left, which will mean no more everything from gasoline to Vaseline.

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    Indeed, Bangkok is the perfect city for eco-cars. You can't use the engines of petrol driven cars full capabilities at any point now. Bursts of 40 MPH may occur if you get lucky during the week days. So eco-cars, even under powered ones, would be perfect. The rise of NGV has been pretty good though here.

    It always makes me laugh when you see some knobend driving a Ferrari around Bangkok. I wonder of they ever get out of first gear.

    I wonder if gridlock is a distinct possibility. There have been a couple of days recently where the traffic jams have made the main routes out of Bangkok appear the same as parking lots. The Viparadi-Rangsit road has tail-backed along a 7 KM stretch a few times (that I saw and way beyond into the distance). Total non-movement. This jam extends up Phahonyothin out towards Kaset-nawamin. All the main arterial routes at a standstill.
    "Slavery is the daughter of darkness; an ignorant people is the blind instrument of its own destruction; ambition and intrigue take advantage of the credulity and inexperience of men who have no political, economic or civil knowledge. They mistake pure illusion for reality, license for freedom, treason for patriotism, vengeance for justice."-Simón Bolívar

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog View Post
    I wonder if gridlock is a distinct possibility.
    I can dream can't I.

    Dream that Thais would get the message from it, not dream about gridlock itself which is indeed a possibility. I seriously hope it happens and I wonder how long these passive folk would sit behind the wheel thinking Homer Simpson thoughts and preening themselves in the mirror before realizing that traffic is a serious problem, not something to be passively accepted as if it was natural without any thought whatsoever .

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    I wonder if gridlock is a distinct possibility.
    Happens everyday. At least mini gridlocks. Will always be a few who decide it a good idea to stop in the middle of an intersection.

    We bitch and moan about the BiB a lot but I couldn't think of a more miserable job than those poor buggers have standing out in the heat and smog everyday trying to unsnarl the messes made by idiot drivers.

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    That's why you're seeing more and more television screens in cars these days...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp
    I seriously hope it happens and I wonder how long these passive folk would sit behind the wheel thinking Homer Simpson thoughts and preening themselves in the mirror before realizing that traffic is a serious problem, not something to be passively accepted as if it was natural without any thought whatsoever .
    No effect what so ever. I recall several years back when folks carried piss containers and food rations in their cars in the event they were stuck in traffic for 2 or 3 hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    We bitch and moan about the BiB a lot but I couldn't think of a more miserable job than those poor buggers have standing out in the heat and smog everyday trying to unsnarl the messes made by idiot drivers.
    They are uniformed criminals always on the look out for financial opportunity at somebody elses expense.

    Fuck 'em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    It used to be worse so don't complain. Gotten a lot better in the past 10 years...
    It used to be a whole lot worse just 6 years ago.

    It was hell back in 1979, albeit quite a bit smaller. No skytrain, no airconditioned taxis. There was one airconditioned bus on New Petchaburi rd.
    The air was thick with 2 stroke and diesel smoke from samlors and nasty old busses.

    Now every taxi and samlor is running LPG
    The city bus fleet is rapidly changing over to LPG.
    You don't see many 2 stroke motorcycles in the city anymore.
    A large truck using LPG is a common sight.

    Bangkok today is a breath of fresh air compared to what it was.

    If you've ever been to Mexico City you certainly wouldn't whinging about the air here, you'd be thanking your lucky stars for living here.
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