Thread: deaths by drink driving, autopsies etc......split.

Originally Posted by November Rain

What I'm wondering is why do an autopsy on someone who fell to his death & not on a road accident victim? The death was obviously caused by injuries sustained in both cases

I think the autopsy is carried out to confirm what appears to be the obvious causes of death. In suicide cases they check to confirm that the deceased died from injuries sustained as a result of the fall and that there was no foul play immediately before the event. Of course, what happens here in Thailand would be anybdoies guess but in proper countries i think thats the process they follow.

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

^^^(DrBob)

There is also a (no doubt fulsome) law regarding prostitution in Thailand. I am given to understand that it is not followed to the letter also...

True, but beside the point. The issue here is whether or not the law says an autopsy must be performed in the case of an accidental death. It does.

Originally Posted by Spin

Originally Posted by November Rain

What I'm wondering is why do an autopsy on someone who fell to his death & not on a road accident victim? The death was obviously caused by injuries sustained in both cases

I think the autopsy is carried out to confirm what appears to be the obvious causes of death. In suicide cases they check to confirm that the deceased died from injuries sustained as a result of the fall and that there was no foul play immediately before the event. Of course, what happens here in Thailand would be anybdoies guess but in proper countries i think thats the process they follow.

Oddly enough the WHO survey of Mortality codes around the world rates Thailand's mortality investigation techniques pretty highly. Of course, it's not so good if you're a muslim, a lawyer, or anybody else the government doesn't like or is embarrased by.

a female muslim certainly
first they like to bury within 24 hours and secondly they are not keen on their women folk being subjected to such close scrutiny.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Oddly enough the WHO survey of Mortality codes around the world rates Thailand's mortality investigation techniques pretty highly

Jolly good, and I'll stand corrected. Never been one to argue to the death or for the sake of it

Originally Posted by Spin

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Oddly enough the WHO survey of Mortality codes around the world rates Thailand's mortality investigation techniques pretty highly

Jolly good, and I'll stand corrected. Never been one to argue to the death or for the sake of it

You consider the World Health Organisation trolling and get upset that your unsubstantiated statements might be contradicted by the facts? I never cease to be amazed that so many people believe that their personal beliefs and experience can somehow be considered universal truth and fact. The older I get the more I realise that the fundamental flaw with humanity, the one that lies at the base of all our ignorance, is solipsism.

Nice point bob.

would you be willing to do an entry level post/thread on using the rss feed stuff (and perhaps use the example of checking repo)? thanks and have yet another grren.

Originally Posted by Bung

I have to say I find it amazingly hypocritical that someone that goes on about drink driving so vehemently openly admits on other threads how he loves to race his car on the roads.... Just as dangerous.

Best post in the entire thread, IMHO. Greens of the way!

Originally Posted by DrB0b

You consider the World Health Organisation trolling and get upset that your unsubstantiated statements might be contradicted by the facts?

No, not at all. You've misunderstood what I was trying to get across. I respect the WHO and their opinions. The use of the trolling smilie was a reference aimed at others who just cannot seem to ever accept that they may wrong in any way shape or form. I should have made it a bit clearer than I did i think.

Clearer now. Thanks.

Originally Posted by pai nai ma

Nice point bob.

would you be willing to do an entry level post/thread on using the rss feed stuff (and perhaps use the example of checking repo)? thanks and have yet another grren.

^hey DrBob -- yes, no, maybe....?

Maybe

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Originally Posted by Bung

I have to say I find it amazingly hypocritical that someone that goes on about drink driving so vehemently openly admits on other threads how he loves to race his car on the roads.... Just as dangerous.

Best post in the entire thread, IMHO. Greens of the way!

define race? just driving quickly or actually racing another car at dangerous speeds through busy streets?

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

[The law quite clearly states an autopsy should be performed if the Police believe there is a criminal case to answer.

True, but the law does not state that this is the only case in which an autopsy should be performed. Autopsies are performed to clearly identify the cause of death - it does not have to be a criminal case for it to be required.

WS, it is no use arguing with EmpTurd

he knows he is right even when the contradictory truth is staring him in the face

waste of time, black is white, so there

blinkered vision or what?

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

Originally Posted by DrB0b

However, if there is reason to doubt that the death is natural, or death occurring during custody of the state officials, the law stipulates that there shall be autopsy as according to the code of law regarding procedure of considering criminal cases, section 149. There are 5 causes of unnatural death, namely, 1. Suicide 2. Homicide 3. Death from beastly attack 4. Death from accident 5. Death of unknown cause

Which is what I said earlier in this thread in that there needs to be a suspicious death leading to a criminal case under investigation for an autopsy to happen.

Thanks for the C&P, that clears it up.

Tud, your inability to accept that you are wrong is almost supernatural. It does not say that it must lead to a criminal case, it says that the procedure defined in section 149 of the criminal code must be followed. It's to determine if there is a criminal case to answer, not to confirm that there is already a criminal. The law states that an autopsy must be performed if there is reason to doubt the death is natural or if the death corresponds to any of the 5 legal definitions of unnatural death. In all 5 defined cases of unnatural death an autopsy must be performed, if the results of the autopsy indicate a criminal element to the case then a criminal case may be opened. You may mouth off as much as you like about what you think the law says but the law codes are there in black and white and what you have said is incorrect.

But autopsies are not performed on every foreign body regardless of what you erroneously believe the law stipulates.

Erroneous? Believe? What I quoted IS the law, Section 149 of the Criminal Code, which clearly states that in the case of the following 5 causes of death an autopsy is required;

1. Suicide
2. Homicide
3. Death from animal attack
4. Death from accident
5. Death from unknown causes


Are you really saying that in this case the written law of Thailand is incorrect and that what you say is the law of the land? Surreal. Do you think you can change the lese-majeste laws for us? They're highly inconvenient. It'd also be appreciated if you legalised marijuana and did something about the alcohol-retailing hours.

We are not talking about whether autopsies are performed or not, you claimed that there was no legal requirement for an autopsy in the case of accident. There is. Once again you have been caught bullshitting, no amount of you trying to move the goalposts will change that. Try getting your information on Thai law from the actual sources rather than from US Embassy websites.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Try getting your information on Thai law from the actual sources rather than from US Embassy websites.

I get my information from what actually happens. I don't have to Google websites then misinterpret legal documents that have been translated badly into English to get to the facts.

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Autopsies are performed to clearly identify the cause of death - it does not have to be a criminal case for it to be required.

True, if you are a relative you can request an autopsy, but it will cost you.

This was already covered earlier.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

you claimed that there was no legal requirement for an autopsy in the case of accident. There is.

*sigh*

Only if the Police believe there is a criminal case to answer.

It's right there in front of you in plain English from the text you posted.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Do you think you can change the lese-majeste laws for us? They're highly inconvenient.

You do realise that what you have writen is breaking the law here in Thailand.

the law stipulates that there shall be autopsy as according to the code of law regarding procedure of considering criminal cases

Translated: If the Police believe there could be a criminal case then an autopsy must be performed.

It is quite simple. Quite easy to understand. No confusion necessary.

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

the law stipulates that there shall be autopsy as according to the code of law regarding procedure of considering criminal cases

Translated: If the Police believe there could be a criminal case then an autopsy must be performed.

It is quite simple. Quite easy to understand. No confusion necessary.

No, you are confused and you misunderstand. "code of law regarding procedure of considering criminal cases" is a bad translation of what is better translated as "Thailand's Procedural Code of Criminal Law", it is the title of a section of Thailand's legal code. It has nothing to do with the police's belief as to whether there is a case to answer or not, it is part of the Thai Code of Laws. As I said, go to the source before embarrassing yourself with such elementary errors.

^ lol.

Not even close to an accurate translation.

The key word is "considering".