Thread: Australia Day

Too few facts in Australia Day farce
PIERS AKERMAN
January 10, 2014

DISCOUNT supermarket chain Aldi was correct to pull an Australia Day T-shirt and singlet carrying the message “Australia Est. 1788″ from its stores.

It was inaccurate, though that was not the point the Twitterati hoped to make. Australia wasn’t officially branded as such until navigator Matthew Flinders decided to give the landmass the name in 1804. As he wrote to his brother: “I call the whole island Australia, or Terra Australis.”

Australia the independent nation wasn’t established until 1901, but that’s hardly the point. Those who have been protesting to Aldi via knee-jerk antisocial media are the usual attention-seeking rabble who come out around Australia Day to reiterate the never disputed point that there were people living on the continent before 1788.

No one has argued with that – no one – but as usual the professional activists get their moment in the spotlight as they did when, egged on by spin doctors within the office of former minority Labor prime minister Julia Gillard, they discredited themselves with their disgraceful riot outside Canberra’s Lobby restaurant on Australia Day, 2012.

To find the “Australia Est. 1788″ slogan racist is finding a wrongdoing where none could have been identified except by a Salem witch hunter circa 1692.

This continent didn’t have one name when it was occupied by successive migrations over the past 40,000 years. The inhabitants only gave specific names to their areas, with generalised names for regions beyond their range.

Aldi and Big W, which removed items bearing similar slogans, have paid a big price in bowing to the humourless watchdogs.

Reports of backdowns to the internet twits in the Fairfax media noted the “seven designs had been approved by the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet in July last year, after passing guidelines regarding products bearing the Australian flag”.

That would be the department responsible to former Labor prime minister Kevin Rudd, whose empty apology to indigenous Australians captivated the luvvies but left indigenous people as poorly-educated and lacking in health resources or employment opportunities as they were before the Canberra love-in.

How racist and culturally-insensitive was that?

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Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Originally Posted by wasabi

I envy the Australians as they have grown up in a society that is mostly free from the daily politics of race that is found elsewhere in the world.

You don't know much abut Australian history, do you . .

Originally Posted by wasabi

Enjoy your country,don,t let white quilt spoil your good life.

That has nothing to do with it . . . and you show yet again that you know nothng about Australia, past nor present

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Shame too many are scared to face the few demons in our past and deal with them like adults.

Indeed - better to just call the few remaining indigenous Aussies drunk, welfare Abos

What exactly is it you want for them? Give them back the country, everyone out?

They have land rights giving them control of vast areas of land and mineral wealth.
They have billions of dollars of welfare and special support programs directed at them, well over and above what any non aboriginal receives.

So apart from Roads, Education, Beer, Public safety, Medicine, Sanitation, Housing, 40,000 years of civilization delivered in a heartbeat, what did whitey ever do for us....

They even have

Welcome to Country , ahead of National Anthems .

Just back from a barbie lunch put on by our Drillers, Steak
aussie sausages , lamb chops, only thing missing was a cold beer, will get one of them at knock of time



There office girls were easy on the eye to.

Almost 18,000 people across the country take pledge to become Australian citizens



Almost 18,000 people have become Australian citizens at celebrations around the nation today.

Hundreds of people attended a ceremony in the nation's capital, where 24 people representing 12 nations were welcomed as new citizens at the Canberra flag-raising and citizenship ceremony near Lake Burley Griffin.

Niels-Jorgen Toxvaerd moved to Australia from Denmark 19 years ago and took the pledge at the event today.

"It must have been in my destiny to be here today and I'm so happy and proud," he said.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott congratulated those taking the pledge in Canberra.

"You, our newest citizens, will play your part in building our country," he said.

National Australia Day Council chair Adam Gilchrist was among the dignitaries to pay tribute to the contribution the new citizens would make.

"The qualities you will bring to our nation to enrich our society - your talents, your skills and nonetheless, your commitment," he said.

The ceremony is also the last for Governor-General Quentin Bryce, who oversaw the official opening of the ceremony by the Federation Guard with the raising of the flag.

Almost 4,500 people will become Australian citizens in ceremonies across Victoria today, more than any other state or territory.

Victorian Premier Denis Napthine says he is proud of how popular the state is with migrants and that multiculturalism is one of Victoria's great strengths.

"We believe that population growth is good for our quality of life, good for our economy," he said.

"We welcome growing populations, whether it be through natural birth or through migration from interstate or overseas.

"That's good for Victoria, it's a vote of confidence in Victoria and it will help us grow as a society."

More than 4.5 million people have become Australian citizens since the first citizenship ceremony 65 years ago.

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Originally Posted by Necron99

What exactly is it you want for them? Give them back the country, everyone out?

Did I even intimate that?

Please tell me why any discussion about this subject brings out the hyperbole . . .

'Give them back the country, everyone out'
'I haven't killed an Abo'
'Find me one Abo who says no to welfare, there isn't one'

. . . and the list goes on

Originally Posted by Necron99

They have land rights giving them control of vast areas of land and mineral wealth.

So they should . . . but have a read of this:

Some of the land provided for the Returned Servicemen's Settlement Scheme was Aboriginal reserve land resumed by State Governments. Gradually, more and more government-run reserves were closed to meet increasing demands for land by white farmers. By 1913, 64 of the 97 Aboriginal reserves in South Australia had been leased or sold to white Australians. In Victoria all reserves were leased or sold by the 1920s except one, Lake Tyers, where the land was so poor that white farmers didn't want it. Independent reserve lands were also resumed. Almost half of all reserve land held by Aboriginal people in NSW in 1911 had been sold by 1927, and most of the remaining lands were then leased to white farmers. Much of it was fertile farmland which had been cleared and cultivated. The loss of this land meant the loss of an economic base for many Aboriginal families.

When governments resume property belonging to citizens they are obliged to pay compensation. No compensation was paid to Aboriginal people for the loss

It's great giving them a minute part back of what was originally taken in conquest - ok, people say it was taken in war - fair enough I guess . . . but there was a second dispossession period, among others, when aboriginal land was simply taken away from them while they were already subjects of the Queen

Originally Posted by Necron99

They have billions of dollars of welfare and special support programs directed at them, well over and above what any non aboriginal receives.

. . . as well they should. Have a read of government discrimination in terms of education, citizenship, employment etc . . . there was until quite recently

Originally Posted by Necron99

So apart from Roads, Education, Beer, Public safety, Medicine, Sanitation, Housing, 40,000 years of civilization delivered in a heartbeat, what did whitey ever do for us....

Name me another section of society that has had their children taken away from them . . . tens of thousands, potentially hundreds of thousands if you go back far enough.
No worries, a bung, we've built a road for you from Edgecliff to Bondi

I suggest you read this: papers - concepts

It really makes for interesting reading and makes your 'we built a road' comment . . . well . . . silly.

a lot of these arguments are also used by people like Rick Thai in the US - they believe that a whole sector of society that was kept as sub-humans in ALL facets of society for centuries, up until a few decades ago, should not be given any special treatment . . . they've had some for a few years and surely that is enough . . . twenty or so years versus hundreds of years.

Yup, that should do . . . the lazy bastards, eh!

still haven't answered N99's question Ocker just rolled out another list of autrocities for us to feel sorry for .

ever been to Darwin ?

you'll see the dreges of the race who have been rejected by their own .

tell me why we should support those whom their own have forsaken .?

Originally Posted by Mid

still haven't answered N99's question Ocker just rolled out another list of autrocities for us to feel sorry for .

I have and I never asked for anyone to feel sorry for them, have I? yet more hyperbole, mid? I must say I'm surprised at your stance here

Originally Posted by Mid

ever been to Darwin ?

No. Have you ever been to Vaucluse?

Originally Posted by Mid

you'll see the dreges of the race who have been rejected by their own .

You mean like Surry Hills where there are quite a few white dregs?

Originally Posted by Mid

tell me why we should support those whom their own have forsaken .?

Because they are Australian . . . why shouldn't they be given the same support as every other Australian?
Are you advocating ostracising them even more and refusing them assistance when in need like any other Australian?
Why not make them wear some sort of emblem stitched on their clothing or a number tattooed on their foreheads so everyone can see what they are . . . well, you know that some of them almost look like a whitey, eh?! Can't have that . . .

Imagine the ambos pull up next to some guy lying in the gutter, be it from a hit and run or a fight or whatever . . and - egads - they see it's an Abo because he looks like one and he has a tattoo on his forehead . . . time to hit the road again because it's not one of 'us'.

Nice one, mid

So, Federation Day would be more apt than the 26th

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Originally Posted by Necron99

What exactly is it you want for them? Give them back the country, everyone out?

Did I even intimate that?
It really makes for interesting reading and makes your 'we built a road' comment . . . well . . . silly.

a lot of these arguments are also used by people like Rick Thai in the US - they believe that a whole sector of society that was kept as sub-humans in ALL facets of society for centuries, up until a few decades ago, should not be given any special treatment . . . they've had some for a few years and surely that is enough . . . twenty or so years versus hundreds of years.

Yup, that should do . . . the lazy bastards, eh!

You keep going on about it, but what do you want to happen? There are no deniers here, everyone knows how the Abo's were treated, it's all fact and documented.

They are getting lot's of special attention. Have done for decades now.

WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT TO GIVE THEM?




^ Mid, a better thing to do in Darwin is to go into the casino and watch the Tribal "Leaders" blow 10's of thousands on royalty check day before driving off in their 100k land-cruisers whilst their cousins and elders hover around scrounging $5 chips and get drunk in the park

I'm advocating the Aboriginals to look after their own then we'll help , when they just throw the rubbish to use we are being taken for fools .

Yes I've been to Vaucluse , point is the worst of the worst end up in Darwin , those that have been ostrocised by their own , that's why you often see them with bandages on their limbs , they have been speared ( Tribal punshiment ) and sent out of the home land .

the Aboriginals NEED to look after their own , which they are well capable of , FIRST , then we should assist .

and I missed where you answered N99's question , perhaps you could assist me by highlighting it ?

Originally Posted by Necron99

^ Mid, a better thing to do in Darwin is to go into the casino and watch the Tribal "Leaders" blow 10's of thousands on royalty check day before driving off in their 100k land-cruisers whilst their cousins and elders hover around scrounging $5 chips and get drunk in the park

yes , seen that and similar in the Walkabout in Nhulunbuy .

never seen an Aboriginal try to bum a smoke or couple of dollars off their own ...........

I'm for helping them BUT expect their own to shoulder their share of the burden as well .

Invaded or liberated?

The abos should thank us for saving them from their primitive backwards culture.

Or should they go back to cannibalism, old men gang banging young girls they day they get their period, and the exclusion of women from contributing to the functioning of their society?

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

The discussion is about Australia Day and my point is that celebrating the day that the continent was 'invaded' is the wrong choice.

G'day off your rocker.

I see you have an agenda here, maybe a touch of Abo blood ?

Tell me, off your rocker, how could someone, shackled in handcuffs
on the first fleet, be classed as an invader ?

Originally Posted by peaches

I see you have an agenda here, maybe a touch of Abo blood ?

Ah, because only an abo apologist can have an opposing view to yours.

Sorry to disappoint, however, full northern European ancestry

Originally Posted by peaches

Tell me, off your rocker, how could someone, shackled in handcuffs
on the first fleet, be classed as an invader ?

Ok, (I'll just use your av instead of trying to be clever) - how did they sail all the way to Australia in shackles?

Life onboard the convict ships

Conditions were crowded and cramped for the convicts who were housed, for long periods of time, behind bars and often chained. For parts of the journey conditions below decks were hot and humid. Diseases such as dysentery and scurvy broke out. About 40 convicts died during the voyage.

First fleet

I've yet to see a sensible argument for Jan 26th, anyone want to try?

Thanks, mid . . . that's abut as good as your question as to whether or not I'd been to Darwin.

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Originally Posted by kingwilly

I've yet to see a sensible argument for Jan 26th, anyone want to try?

Everyone is too busy explaining how the Aborigines are lucky to have been colonised and should be grateful for it, the lazy, dole-bludgers

Well Happy Australia Day you convict bastards, I hope you throw another didgeridoo on the billabong and all those other Aussie things you do on this special day.

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Everyone is too busy explaining how the Aborigines are lucky to have been colonised and should be grateful for it, the lazy, dole-bludgers

Would you have them running around as they were before their benevolent liberators arrived?