Thread: NFL 2016

UM & bb,

I'm glad you're both here.

Let's Make Teakdoor Great Again.

Originally Posted by beachbound

Sam Bradford is completing 70 % of his passes, with an average of almost 8 yds. I'm sure Sam will be along shortly with the QBR talk. Bradford is currently 5th in total QBR.

Prescott is lighting it up, currently ranked 2nd in QBR.

No, the QB position is not overrated.

If Bradford is obviously so good, how come he has not lit it up at his previous NFL stops? How come ten other teams were not trying to acquire him?

Maybe Bradford's stats are good because the Vikings are winning (and not the other way around).

Originally Posted by beachbound

Sam Bradford is completing 70 % of his passes, with an average of almost 8 yds. I'm sure Sam will be along shortly with the QBR talk. Bradford is currently 5th in total QBR.

Prescott is lighting it up, currently ranked 2nd in QBR.

No, the QB position is not overrated.

he looked very good vs cin. dak looks very good.

a regression to the mean (for both) looms...

kaep is back. may luck be on his side with that godforsaken roster.

Yes, he's ba-aa-ack!

Colin Kaepernick to start at quarterback for 49ers - NFL.com

Colin Kaepernick is back.

After a four-game losing streak with Blaine Gabbert at the helm -- a stretch where the former first-round pick threw for just four touchdowns and six interceptions and posted an average passer rating of 65.1 -- the team is making a change, Chip Kelly announced on Tuesday. Kelly and the staff met earlier in the day to discuss a potential quarterback swap.

Originally Posted by UrbanMan

Maybe Bradford's stats are good because the Vikings are winning

Yes, that has to be it. He's lost his best back, and future HOFer in AP, lost his left tackle, his best receiver was out for the last game, so it stands to reason that he's only playing well because they're winning.


:eyeroll:
ridiculous comment

Originally Posted by samsara

a regression to the mean (for both) looms...

When you send that $100, can you make it a C-note? I don't want to bother with $20 bills.

Originally Posted by beachbound

because they're winning.

The Vikes defense is elite so far this season. They've held their opponents to 16, 14, 10, 10 and 13 points. That's incredible. This so far has put the Vikes most often in the position of playing with a lead - a very nice situation for a QB, no need to be super aggressive, helps with the avoidance of INTs.

Bradford is 25th among QBs in Yards, and 29th in Pass Attempts. He's got a fine QBR, which is nice, but QBR has many detractors for good reason. I'm not saying its meaningless, but its hardly perfect. According to espn, the top 4 QBs in the NFL right now are Matt Ryan, Sam Bradford, Brian Hoyer and Phillip Rivers. They've all got fantastic TD to INT ratios, which QBR idolizes to a fault.

^all very true.

however, bradford ranks very highly in dvoa, which, imo, is the best QB stat out there

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | QUARTERBACKS 2016

Originally Posted by beachbound

Originally Posted by samsara

a regression to the mean (for both) looms...

When you send that $100, can you make it a C-note? I don't want to bother with $20 bills.

its a long, long season, my friend.

Originally Posted by UrbanMan

Bradford is 25th among QBs in Yards, and 29th in Pass Attempts

Interesting. That's probably because he didn't play the first game of the year. He was on the sidelines of the first game, trying to learn the playbook that he had only picked up the week before.

Originally Posted by beachbound

he didn't play the first game of the year.

FYI, Yards per game, Sammy B is 22nd.

^

What exactly are you trying to convince me of? The guy is having a great start to the year, and his stats show that. Every sports show on every network, has run some feature on bradford, to the point where it's getting tedious. ( much like this conversation. ) "His stats are only good because they're winning" wtf is that supposed to mean?

What you seem to not understand is the back story is the story. As in, Sammy B's current success is surprising, coming after many seasons of nothing special. Very much like Dak in Dallas - no one expected an obscure 4th rounder to be anything - hence when he is actually decent, the world goes crazy. Beyond reasonable crazy.

The Sammy B back story being he was drafted as a can't miss star, paid a fortune, subsequently under performed, and is in fact the poster boy for why the NFLPA agreement now limits rookie salaries and length of contract. The money St Louis paid him destroyed the ability of the franchise to win. There was not enough money left over to put other needed pieces in place.

An aside, the reason there is no longer NFL football in St Louis is Sammy B. Winning no more than 7 games a year, year after year, does not get a new stadium built. Contrast this with Minnesota, where nice seasons in 2008 and 2009 were instrumental in the Vikes now having a fantastic new crib.

Originally Posted by beachbound

The guy is having a great start to the year

The team is winning. Sammy B is enjoying the ride.

Originally Posted by UrbanMan

An aside, the reason there is no longer NFL football in St Louis is Sammy B.

Word around the NFL is, he's also responsible for the rise of ISIS.

Originally Posted by UrbanMan

Sammy B's current success is surprising, coming after many seasons of nothing special.

Let's see what he did before several severe injuries derailed his career.......


2010
In week 8 against the Carolina Panthers, Bradford connected on 25 of 32 passes, two of them for touchdowns. In his first eight games he scored eleven TDs, which tied an NFL record—held by Dan Marino (1983), Peyton Manning (1998), and Ben Roethlisberger (2004)—for over that span by a rookie since the AFL–NFL merger in 1970.[71] Bradford went 3-2 as a starter in October, passing for 1019 yards and 7 TDs against 3 INTs. He was named the NFL's offensive rookie of the month.

During October and November, he established a record for most consecutive passes without an interception for a rookie (169), which ended with an interception by William Moore in a home game against the Atlanta Falcons on November 21. On November 28, 2010, against the Denver Broncos, Bradford became the first rookie in NFL history to pass for at least 300 yards and three touchdowns with no interceptions during a road victory. He capped November by becoming the first rookie QB to win two consecutive Offensive Rookie of the Month awards.

On December 26, Bradford surpassed Peyton Manning's record for most completed passes by an NFL rookie quarterback (326). Bradford finished the season with 354 completions out of 590 attempts, surpassing Manning's record of 575 for most attempts by an NFL rookie quarterback. Bradford became just the third rookie quarterback to start all 16 regular season games and pass over 3000 passing yards, joining Peyton Manning and Matt Ryan.

That's under-performing?

Originally Posted by UrbanMan

The team is winning. Sammy B is enjoying the ride.

Yes, I wish he'd get off his ass and do something. I mean, 70% completion percentage? WTF? 74.0 QBR? 6 TDs-0 INTs ?? Time to cut his ass.

Originally Posted by beachbound

That's under-performing?

And let's take a closer look at Sammy's 2010 season. Since you are such a big believer in QBR, let me note Sammy's QBR in 2010 was 76.5, ranking him 25th in the league. 18 TDs, 15 ints.

He's clearly having a good season, and the Vikings are 5-0. Teams don't typically win in spite of their QB.

its a long, long season, my friend.

Says the guy who clings to every individual play and game of the season as if it proves the existence of Christ.

Originally Posted by samsara

kaep is back. may luck be on his side with that godforsaken roster.

Let the preemptive excuse train begin. Don't worry I'm sure they can scheme him up something that will make him as great as he is in your imagination

Originally Posted by UrbanMan

But hey, everyone who disagree with you BB, they by definition are stupid and need to see the error of their foolish ways.

Not at all...just this time. Just a few short weeks ago, you were laughing (on AF) when someone made a comment about Minnesota making the playoffs. Now, you're on anti-Bradford bandwagon, and he's been proving you wrong every week.

Originally Posted by redhaze

Don't worry I'm sure they can scheme him up something that will make him as great as he is in your imagination

Good to see you, RH.

Originally Posted by redhaze

Originally Posted by samsara

kaep is back. may luck be on his side with that godforsaken roster.

Let the preemptive excuse train begin. Don't worry I'm sure they can scheme him up something that will make him as great as he is in your imagination

niners have one of the worst rosters in the lg (talentwise), arguably the worst GM/Coach/O+D Coordinators in the biz, arguably the lowest morale, etc., etc. if kaep is at all successful it is on the wings of angels and pixie dust. theres nothing there to work with on any level.

anyway, as i said (and you failed to counter) kaep has already done more in his career than palmer. anything further would just be rubbing it in.

Originally Posted by redhaze

He's clearly having a good season, and the Vikings are 5-0. Teams don't typically win in spite of their QB.

unless, of course, its the incredible case keenum and the rams beating the cards in arizona.

Man the noobs have taken over the NFL thread. Keep in mind the road to the superbowl will be through Seattle and good luck with that. Go Hawks!

Originally Posted by bsnub

Man the noobs have taken over the NFL thread. Keep in mind the road to the superbowl will be through Seattle and good luck with that. Go Hawks!

Hee-hee. These guys know their stuff.

Seattle looking solid. It may depend on the "injury gods".......