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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynn View Post
    I.I wonder, where do they get these people who have no common sense ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mobs00
    When I went there it seemed like they just hired cute Uni girls as guides
    Is that a problem or a plus?

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    ^ It added to the primal feeling of the place. I mean who wouldn't want to go into a cage with cute girls and wild animals?

    Since the incident the girls/guides have been instructed to wear new outfits in order to distract customers from the danger of playing with tigers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by phuketbound View Post
    The place is for petting tigers, right? So, it wasn't anyone's fault. Yes, it is a wild animal, but it could of happened to anyone. It isn't really either person's fault. The fault would be having the tiger kingdom in the first place (esp. if they let people pet wild tigers). Tigers are meant to roam wild, and not to be petted imo.
    I don't quite follow your logic there, but you do seem to agree that petting tigers is dumb and kind of obscene- attempting to turn a beautiful killing machine into some kind of pet shows no respect for the animal, either for its nature or for its potential to rip your head (or leg) off. My sympathies to the lady, but she was stupid and doesn't deserve a single satang. And the predator petting zoo should be closed, but as long dumbass tourists (as opposed to the other kind. . .) patronize it so as to have "exotic" experiences it won't.
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    I see a mention of meds in the Op but none in the story? how did meds come into the OP? is that an assumption or is there a story somewhere that mentions they are usually medicated?

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    I'd pay to pet that tiger....

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    People seem to forget that some animal captivity and education is in fact very beneficial for the animals future in question. Maybe not that particular animal, but its breed.

    Captive bred animals will never be released into the wild and live successfully 100% of the time. Its these captive bred animals that can do a whole lotta good for the remaining wild populations.

    Having said that, places that keep the animals in poor condition or mistreat them are not what a good education programme is about. Obviously as is the capture and removal of any wild animals.

    Take a look here, people have become educated and aware of the Tudley and Doodles species and some tolerance is now out there, even caring in some instances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nawty
    Take a look here, people have become educated and aware of the Tudley and Doodles species and some tolerance is now out there, even caring in some instances.

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    Tigers are notoriously prolific breeders. Zoos worldwide have been dealing with a tiger surplus for the past 30 years.

    Speaking of things not to do to a big cat, this guy pretty much takes the cake: Worst. Wilderness tour. Ever. | Blog of Hilarity.

    I also recall hearing about a guy in Philadelphia who thought it would be really cool to have an ocelot back in the '70's when doing so was popular. He was shaving one morning naked at the sink with the cat watching him, when Spot apparently couldn't resist taking a poke at the two balls swinging back and forth above him. Bye-bye scrotum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phuketbound View Post

    It has nothing to do with whether she is a Christian kiwi or not.
    Yes it does.
    Because that title stinks of ignorance.

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    It may be of interest to note that the man who looks after the tigers, and has them on a chain so you can have your photo taken, has only got one arm !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happyman View Post
    It may be of interest to note that the man who looks after the tigers, and has them on a chain so you can have your photo taken, has only got one arm !!
    .....e's armless then

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post

    Tiger don't like ugly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happyman View Post
    It may be of interest to note that the man who looks after the tigers, and has them on a chain so you can have your photo taken, has only got one arm !!

    And hence he puts the chain down to take the photos....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Longprong View Post
    She is confining the animal with the arm around it and looking it in the eye. Those bloody glasses, orange hair and red shirt wouldn't have helped either. The Tiger can smell the human female and she has obviously taken the opportunity to show this interloper where she stood in the pack.

    It goes to show that those who you assume are in control and looking after your interests, while you are cuddling an animal that could slash your throat with one swipe, don't really have much idea at all except how to grab your dough.
    yep that is a spot on observation.. People over look that these are WILD animals if not in captivity and they still have a hierarchy and instincts in play..

    It's not restricted to wild animals either, domestic pets are the same only in more subtle ways much of the time but a dogs loyalty comes from their respect of your authority over them as pack leader.. My sis once had this little Jack Russel that was as ballsy as they come (Napleon syndrome X 10) and he was constantly having a go at it with any males in the house, as she was no longer married, that ended up being her youngest boy and any of his friends..

    She also had a pubescent daughter and it got to be so bad with him biting and shite that she gave it to me (lucky me). I am very good with animals as was she but this dog was extreme, and it wasn't long before I realized that his highest aggression was right in line with Mrs. DF's fertility cycle and he was challenging me for her favors as it were....

    When I pointed this out to my sister she knew immediately that I was right suddenly it became clear my poor nephew was the only male in the house and when she and her daughter came fertile every month this dog went off his rocker after every male that came around (talk about major PMS only in a male sense). He wasn't that great between times either but then he was at least tolerable, not during that special time though..

    I tried all of the usual tactics to work with him and even some unusual ones but it wasn't helping. Finally I had to give him back to her and suggested she get him fixed but she opted to have him put down he really was OTT. I felt for her, she is a big animal lover and I was his last chance, for her to do that she felt she had no options left..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happyman View Post
    It may be of interest to note that the man who looks after the tigers, and has them on a chain so you can have your photo taken, has only got one arm !!
    you must have been to Phuket Zoo?? huh??

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrivingForce
    tried all of the usual tactics to work with him and even some unusual ones but it wasn't helping. Finally I had to give him back to her and suggested she get him fixed but she opted to have him put down he really was OTT. I felt for her, she is a big animal lover and I was his last chance, for her to do that she felt she had no options left..
    Interesting story DF. What you have described is quite common and can end in tragedy.
    Sad that she had to put the dog down, but in extreme cases it is the only way. The animal would never be happy and either would those around it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happyman View Post
    It may be of interest to note that the man who looks after the tigers, and has them on a chain so you can have your photo taken, has only got one arm !!


    Sorry chaps the one armed Tiger keeper is at Phuket Zoo - yet another place to avoid then !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by robuzo View Post
    Tigers are notoriously prolific breeders. Zoos worldwide have been dealing with a tiger surplus for the past 30 years.

    Speaking of things not to do to a big cat, this guy pretty much takes the cake: Worst. Wilderness tour. Ever. | Blog of Hilarity.
    That is funny.. I wonder if it is photoshopped? How the lion could stay still while a man touches his scrotum boggles my mind.

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    On a more serious note, I don't agree with the place like tiger temple. I found their website. I see that you can play with the tigers in an enclosed area for a fee.

    The Park,the costs of admission/play with our tigers in enclosures ,you can choose. - Baby Tigers (2-3Months) 500 baht (~15$)/person (15 minutes in building)
    - Small Tigers 1 (4-5Months) 300 baht (~9$)/person (15 minutes in building)
    - Small Tigers 2 (6-8Months) 300 baht (~9$)/person (15 minutes in field)
    - Big Tigers (12-15Months) 300 baht (~9$)/person (20 minutes in field

    I'll take a pass on this place. Tigers are beautiful to look at, but anything can happen.

    I wonder if they drug these tigers. If they have people petting them all day (hours 10-6), then I'd wonder. Or could they just be very well trained tigers.

    I didn't read anything about meds. If they were medicated, then another reason to not visit.

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    Vol. VIII No. 5 - Tuesday
    February 3 - February 9, 2009



    New Zealand aid worker mauled by tiger at Khumsu Tiger Centre
    Saksit Meesubkwang

    A New Zealand aid worker with an organisation which runs orphanages, emergency relief operations and development programmes along the Thai-Burmese border is receiving hospital treatment after being mauled by a tiger at the Khumsu Chiang Mai Tiger Centre on January 25.


    Tourism officials give some flowers to New Zealand aid worker Ruth Corlett as she recovers in the Lanna Hospital after being mauled by a tiger at Khumsu Chiang Mai Tiger Centre.




    Ruth Corlett, 45, on a break in Chiang Mai with her husband and three children, had been allowed to enter the 1 year-old tiger’s cage, along with staff at the facility, having been assured that the tiger had been conditioned to safely interact with humans. As she stroked its head, the tiger became annoyed and attacked her, mauling her leg. She was immediately transferred to Lanna Hospital, where she received 54 stitches to the wound and is now recovering.
    A staff member at the Tiger Centre told reporters that the tiger, Pancake, had always been friendly and had never bitten anyone before. The facility has pledged that they will pay all medical expenses, and will tighten controls on visitors’ entry to cages in order to prevent the possibility of further injuries.
    An assistant to the Governor of Chiang Mai told reporters that, as the unfortunate incident may have affected tourism to the city, an inspection of the facility would be carried out by the Office of Animal Species Conservation. The inspection will determine whether the facility’s policy of allowing visitors to approach dangerous animals is unlawful. The office will also recommend measures to ensure the safety of visitors to all such facilities.


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    So let me get this straight: The inspectors need to check to see if it's against the law to exploit dangerous animals and at the same time they are going to recommend ways to do it more effectively? WTF!?




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    Tiger Temple accused of animal trading
    24 January, 2011

    The Tiger Temple, in Kanchanaburi Province, Thailand - a popular tourist destination - is coming under new scrutiny over its activities.

    Calling itself a tiger sanctuary where visitors are able to have their photographs taken with captive tigers as holiday souvenirs, a website Tiger Temple Truths (Tiger Temple Truths - The Truth about the Tiger Temple Thailand) claims more sinister activities are taking place.

    Tour operators run day trips to the Tiger Temple from Bangkok, and tourists can make a donation to take part in various activities with the tigers.

    “However, all is not what it seems where the Tiger Temple Thailand, is concerned,” says Tiger Temple Truths.

    It cites a recent report by Care for the Wild International, a wildlife and conservation organisation, which revealed “a shocking catalogue of tiger abuse” at the temple.

    "It is clear that the Tiger Temple is not a sanctuary 
for tiger cubs rescued from poachers, but a commercial tiger breeding centre.

    "The tigers are poorly housed and badly maltreated to make them compliant and perform for visitors," said the conservation organization.

    Care for the Wild International also accused the monks of “being involved in the clandestine exchange of tigers with the owner of a tiger farm in Laos".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid
    It cites a recent report by Care for the Wild International, a wildlife and conservation organisation, which revealed “a shocking catalogue of tiger abuse” at the temple.
    http://www.careforthewild.com/files/..._final_v11.pdf

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    They should take a look at the "Tiger Park" in Subic Bay. You wouldn't think tigers are endangered if you saw how many they have there, lying infected in their own piss and shit.

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    The big cats bringing in a roaring trade at Thailand's controversial Tiger Temple

    The big cats bringing in a roaring trade at Thailand's controversial Tiger Temple
    • Tourists are permitted to pet and pose for pictures with the big cats
    • The sanctuary is run by monks for orphaned tigers
    By Kerry Mcqueeney

    PUBLISHED: 16:03 GMT, 24 April 2012 | UPDATED: 16:10 GMT, 24 April 2012

    On first glance, you might assume these incredible images of tigers were taken in the wild.

    The big cats are seen in all their majesty as they playfully frolic in a water pool.

    However, these photographs were snapped at a sanctuary for orphaned tigers run by Buddhist monks - fast becoming one of Thailand's most popular tourist attractions.

    One of the reasons for its popularity could be that it is one of the few places in the world where visitors are allowed to pet and pose for pictures with the carnivores.


    Big cats: Tourists have the chance to get closer than most to these majestic tigers





    Making a splash: Two tigers playfully fight each other in a pool at the Tiger Temple in Kanchanaburi province


    Bath time: One tiger plays with a toy brandished by one of the volunteers at the sanctuary, as the others look on

    The Tiger Temple in the western province of Kanchanaburi - about 80 km from Bangkok - began life in 1999 when the first female cub was brought to Wat Pa Luangta Bua Yannasampanno, a Buddhist sanctuary, and was cared for by the monks.

    Since then, it has evolved into a much larger wildlife haven and is now a major tourist attraction in Thailand.

    It is one of the few places in the world that allows visitors to touch tigers.

    For a basic entrance fee - or 'donation' - of 1,000 baht (about £20), visitors get a tour of the site and the chance to enter the sanctuary's Tiger Canyon, a quarry with a rocky pool at one end containing a dozen or so sleeping tigers chained to the ground.


    Human contact: The sanctuary is run by Buddhist monks and staffed by volunteers who help feed, walk and play with the tigers


    The temple is renowned for its practice of letting visiting tourists pet the tigers - after having paid a fee to have their pictures taken with the animals

    During a small half-hour window, tourists have the option of being escorted around the quarry with two volunteers so they can pet each tiger while they sleep. One volunteer keeps an eye on the tiger while the other takes charge of tourist's camera and snaps away as they touch the big cats.

    For an extra fee, visitors can have their picture taken with the largest tiger's head resting in their lap.

    And for more money, they can have a front row seat - in a cage near the water front - to watch the cats playing in the pool.

    Despite its status as a sanctuary, the Tiger Temple has been dogged by controversy as it has grown as a tourist attraction.


    Cat chat: Thai Buddhist Abbot monk Pra Acharn Phoosit Khantitharo - known as Abbot Chan - uses a walkie-talkie as he strolls among the tigers at the temple


    Tug of war: The monks say the reason the tigers are so docile around tourists is because years of being hand-reared at the temple have made them comfortable with human contact

    Many online forums discussing the temple contain fierce debate of the ethical issues surrounding such a tourist attraction.

    The temple has been forced to strenuously deny accusations that its big cat residents are sedated to allow tourists to have their pictures taken with them.

    They say the reason the carnivores are so docile is because they have been hand-reared by the monks from an early age, which means their aggressive behaviour has been controlled and they do not see human contact as a threat.

    However, many remain suspicious over why the cats are so calm and sleepy during the visiting sessions.


    Up close: The sanctuary is one of the few places in the world where humans are allowed to touch the tigers


    Price list: A sign at the Tiger Temple detailing the services on offer for tourists who want to get closer to the tigers

    Visitors to the sanctuary are made to sign a disclaimer before they are allowed to enter - to ensure the temple does not get sued in case someone is attacked by a tiger - and signs at the gate explain why the tigers are so used to human contact.

    Tourists are also advised to steer clear of dressing in brightly-coloured clothes to avoid getting the tigers excited.

    Nevertheless, for the most part, tourists who visit the Tiger Temple come away from it with a unique experience - a chance to get up close with the majestic big cats.

    A review on travel bible Lonely Planet's website reads: 'Kanchanaburi’s most expensive tourist attraction is also its most controversial.

    'This monastery affords incredible photo opportunities for visitors to get up close and personal with the big cats.

    'Some of the temple’s 30 tigers pose for pictures in a canyon while visitors are shepherded in and out in quick succession.'

    Read more: The big cats of Thailand's Tiger Temple | Mail Online
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