Thread: Jatuporn: "I dare you to stage a coup"

Jatuporn outlines plan for 'last battle'

Jatuporn outlines plan for 'last battle'
Published: 29/01/2010 at 05:54 PM
Online news: Breakingnews

The red shirts will rally at the city hall in every province in their final battle against dictatorship, Jatuporn Promphan announced on Friday at the rally in front of the army headquarters.

The United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) leader said that in provinces where there is a military camp, the red shirts would lay siege to it to prevent soldiers coming out to stage a coup.

On the day when the final do-or-die rally was to be held, the red shirts would gather in front of city halls and use ten-wheeled trucks to block military camps. In Bangkok, the rally would be held at Sanam Luang, Mr Jatuporn said.

Mr Jatuporn did not say when would be the day for the "final battle."

He dared deputy army chief Gen Prayuth Chan-ocha to announce the day for a coup - to eradicate the red shirts and Thaksin Shinawatra. On that day, he said, the red shirts would come out in force to fight against soldiers.

He also called for soldiers who disagreed with the coup to come out, using a piece of red cloth for identification, to join the "people's war."

Jatuporn outlines plan for 'last battle'

Some Thai communities are quite comfortable and reasoning, within familial circles, to speak and discuss openly and candidly without social retribution. I believe the ongoing perceptions that average everyday folk don't have strong opinions towards topics they dare not breathe, is mythical.

Originally Posted by Missismiggins

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Jatuporn outlines plan for 'last battle'

Jatuporn outlines plan for 'last battle'
Published: 29/01/2010 at 05:54 PM
Online news: Breakingnews

The red shirts will rally at the city hall in every province in their final battle against dictatorship, Jatuporn Promphan announced on Friday at the rally in front of the army headquarters.

The United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) leader said that in provinces where there is a military camp, the red shirts would lay siege to it to prevent soldiers coming out to stage a coup.

On the day when the final do-or-die rally was to be held, the red shirts would gather in front of city halls and use ten-wheeled trucks to block military camps. In Bangkok, the rally would be held at Sanam Luang, Mr Jatuporn said.

Mr Jatuporn did not say when would be the day for the "final battle."

He dared deputy army chief Gen Prayuth Chan-ocha to announce the day for a coup - to eradicate the red shirts and Thaksin Shinawatra. On that day, he said, the red shirts would come out in force to fight against soldiers.

He also called for soldiers who disagreed with the coup to come out, using a piece of red cloth for identification, to join the "people's war."

Jatuporn outlines plan for 'last battle'

Some of this sounds a bit serious...have you seen anything actually happening anywhere or is it just the usual puffed chest and a load of rhetoric?

Lots of deceit and manipulation going on. I wonder who really started the coup rumours?

It still seems odd that a coup is even being discussed, when the government at present is really only there as a result of the last one. All the red shirt supporters on this forum have always claimed it was a puppet government, supported by the elite, but now that doesn't appear to be sufficient.

I'm still of the opinion the coup rumours were started by the red shirts, to galvinise public support to their cause.

It's all smoke and mirrors at the moment.

Originally Posted by Missismiggins

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Does your average Thai actually give a toss though?? If it don't affect their day to day lives i would say no.

Yes, they give a toss. They're scared shitless of being caught in the middle of a civil war between two or more sides in a fight most people want nothing to do with. They'd much rather get on with not seeing their country go down the tubes, making a living, and not having to duck bullets. A fairly understandable attitude in my opinion.

Indeed, Bob. And contrary to popular delusions and fabricated stereotype, it might be easier to suggest that the 'average' Thai really understands what is and what isn't. The deepened designed social system prevents them from 'choosing' sides. A dharmatma hand-cuff {sort to speak}.

You are correct, they do understand the situation, they cannot however seem to react. The opinions where I am are quite shocking, coming from Thais that are supposedly one nation behind the XXXX,

In the last 12 years, I have never heard Thais talk the way they do about these matters, I think the problem seems to be (somewhat simplified) that most of the rural poor, who make up about 90% of the Thais, were probably once slaves or 2nd class citizens, as they are today under the current government.

To rebel...well....what happens to you and your family if you speak out of line?

(My wife told me when I had been here a couple of years, and after I expressed my thoughts, that if she was to speak the same, and was overheard, her entire family name and blood line would be GONE)

It is a bit of a pisser if you want democracy!

If the situation where to escalate from regional conflicts into civil war, people would be forced to choose their allegiences and choose them quickly, there would be no standing on the sidelines as martial law would apply on both sides, men would be pressed into service and families expected to support the conflict, fear and suspicion would reign.

The yellows and reds are both manipulators. The problem is the unequal application of justice in which the yellows get a pass for everything including the terrorist attack on the airport. They represent the staunch oppressive cronies that step on the neck of free speech. They want to keep Thailand in the era of slaves and the reds are tired of being enslaved by the rich minority that runs this hell hole.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

It still seems odd that a coup is even being discussed, when the government at present is really only there as a result of the last one. All the red shirt supporters on this forum have always claimed it was a puppet government, supported by the elite, but now that doesn't appear to be sufficient.

I'm still of the opinion the coup rumours were started by the red shirts, to galvinise public support to their cause.

It's all smoke and mirrors at the moment.

Here's my take on it, for what it's worth. I've left out quite a bit of what I think but these are some of the main points.

The current government is a coalition. To maintain it's legitimacy the Democrats need the support of other parties. Initially they got that support by promising amendments to the new constitution. Abhisit has now reneged on part of that agreement and the Bhum Jai Thai and (Nevin) and Chart Thai Pattana (Banharn) parties are threatening to withdraw their support.

If that happens (it might not, depends on what pressure is brought to bear on the coalition parties) the government has two options, call an election or remain as a minority government. They will not call an election, they'll lose. So the remaining option is a minority government. This won't work either, not without the full support of the Military. A minority government will likely need some kind of coup to support it, the risks here are that the army is currently divided against itself (chaotic might be a better description) and a coup may lead to something far worse.

Don't confuse "elite" with the army, the army, or at least the army leadership, is only another tool in the hands of the "elite", albeit a vital tool. These "elite", by which I principally mean the Privy Council, are also a coalition but of a different stripe, and they call many of the shots. If they've decided that the current government is no longer strong enough for their purposes they may well try to replace it with something more suitable to their needs.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

It still seems odd that a coup is even being discussed, when the government at present is really only there as a result of the last one. All the red shirt supporters on this forum have always claimed it was a puppet government, supported by the elite, but now that doesn't appear to be sufficient.

I'm still of the opinion the coup rumours were started by the red shirts, to galvinise public support to their cause.

It's all smoke and mirrors at the moment.

Here's my take on it, for what it's worth. I've left out quite a bit of what I think but these are some of the main points.

The current government is a coalition. To maintain it's legitimacy the Democrats need the support of other parties. Initially they got that support by promising amendments to the new constitution. Abhisit has now reneged on part of that agreement and the Bhum Jai Thai and (Nevin) and Chart Thai Pattana (Banharn) parties are threatening to withdraw their support.

If that happens (it might not, depends on what pressure is brought to bear on the coalition parties) the government has two options, call an election or remain as a minority government. They will not call an election, they'll lose. So the remaining option is a minority government. This won't work either, not without the full support of the Military. A minority government will likely need some kind of coup to support it, the risks here are that the army is currently divided against itself (chaotic might be a better description) and a coup may lead to something far worse.

Don't confuse "elite" with the army, the army, or at least the army leadership, is only another tool in the hands of the "elite." These "elite", by which I mean the Privy Council, are also a coalition but of a different stripe, and they call many of the shots. If they've decided that the current government is no longer strong enough for their purposes they may well try to replace it with something more suitable to their needs.

I can see the logic of this and don't disagree. However the omnipresent spectre of Thaksin lurks in the background and he's getting exceedingly desperate.....only a month now until D-Day.....Thus my siding with the red shirts being behind this.

I can believe that they're actively spreading the rumours and playing them up as much as they can but there's now too much public disarray in both the government and the military for this to go on much longer. There are sound reasons for those rumours. After all, a coup is hardly an uncommon event in Thailand.

Don't overestimate the role of Thaksin, to the people in charge the problem was never Thaksin the man. What he did with his money or the government didn't matter to anybody important. The problem was the threat he posed in having a power base which could challenge the established power base. Crushing Thaksin would show the entire country that anybody who poses the same threat in the future will also be crushed. Exodus 20:3 Even a fairly cursory glance over the last 50 years of Thai history shows that when it comes to corruption and brutality Thaksin isn't even in the same league as most of the Prime Ministers and Strongmen Thailand has suffered under in that time. Thai history shows that government leaders can, in general, steal and kill as much as they want as long as they do the job expected of them. Buck the system, as Thaksin did, and you're gone.