Thread: Underage Bar Workers as young as 8 years old found in Sunee Plaza Police Operation

Originally Posted by hunter

Originally Posted by melvbot

The point is its the wrong people who are trying. If they want to stop the bars doing this then they can. Can they stop child prostitution as a whole? No. It just goes underground.

Absolutely.

Its a bit like gun or drug laws. If its legal or tolerated by the law and openly available then the trade will attract a lot of customers and be relatively large.
If the trade is outlawed and policed as such then the trade will still exist, but to a much smaller extent. At least if the trade in underage male prostitutes was policed the correct people would be getting nabbed. As it stands now the cops simply round up the victims for a media show while the organizers act with impunity. Of course we all know that it is not in the interests of Thai police to enforce Thai law because it would mean a loss of extortion money.

The sex industry is for Thais and not farangs.
We just bump up the prices and get the prettier birds/boys etc

Originally Posted by good2bhappy

The sex industry is for Thais and not farangs.
We just bump up the prices and get the prettier birds/boys etc

Yep. Farangs are only scratching the surface.

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

Originally Posted by sesame

Any theories on Redneck's point #3 above ? Just too hard to do without upsetting "important people" ??

I think Redneck is spot on.

If there is one thing Thais truly resent it is Farangs interfering.

I have no doubt at all that if one thousand Farangs stood up to condemn the child sex industry in Thailand, there would be two thousand Thais ready to defend it, not because they believe it is right, but because it is their business and not ours.

Just think of Thailand as being one gigantic trailer park and you won't go far wrong here.

As any Thai knows, -- Thais are smarter than Farangs and the dumb Farangs just don't understand how things are done in the real world which of course revolves around Thailand.

Originally Posted by good2bhappy

We just bump up the prices and get the prettier birds/boys etc

I don't know where you get the notion we get the prettiest birds. Any self-respecting Thai wouldn't go anywhere near the dark skin prossies that are so popular amongst visiting Westerners.

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

Nobody can know what corruption is until they have conducted business in this country. People who retire here or work as employees get the occasional glimpse, but it is only when there is money around and the Thais feel they can get their snout in the trough that you see the truly breathtaking extent of how corrupt this place is.

Correct and the vast majority of foreigners live in their ivory towers protected and ignorant of most of what really goes on here.

Some even live in denial because their life choices don't sit well with their morals.

Is there any man posting here who has never used a Thai hooker?

My point being,..... even if one hasn't used an underage hooker - being a participant within the hooking scene in any capacity - whether upstream or downstream , supply or demand side, gay or straight - makes one arguably part of the problem, not the solution

Its hard to manage and regiment a sanitised adult sex industry, because once you have one - all the sleazier bits and services evolve spontaneously.

Originally Posted by Redneck

Is there any man posting here who has never used a Thai hooker?

My point being,..... even if one hasn't used an underage hooker - being a participant within the hooking scene in any capacity - whether upstream or downstream , supply or demand side, gay or straight - makes one arguably part of the problem, not the solution

Its hard to manage and regiment a sanitised adult sex industry, because once you have one - all the sleazier bits and services evolve spontaneously.

The thing about Thailand is that because its so corrupt and exploitative of the majority of its underclass citizens, things are really cheap for us tourists and expats. The Farang sex industry is just a small offshoot of the much larger Thai sex industry. If I was a more moral person I wouldn't even go there at all. But the fact is that I have no control over how the Thais run their country and me visiting or retiring there wont make one ounce of difference to them. But it will make a big difference to my own quality of life when I retire there, and that includes the occasional cleaning of the pipes.

I like Thailand in many ways. I have some good friends and family there, but its not a country I can hold in much respect for its social culture and politics. It will do me for some cheap living as long as it suits me, then I will be off.

^One of Thailand's charms is the rumpy-pumpy.

I grew to like Thailand because of the R&R ......and if Thailand didn't exploit its vulnerable, there wouldn't be any.

Problem I find is that its very easy for me to say that I approve of those bits of it that have appealed to me...Soi Cowboy, Nana Plaza, soapies

...and then cluck about the bits I find distasteful. eg. underage, homo a-gogo, anything that caters for Thais, families selling virgin daughters to buy Izuzu jeeps, anything with trafficked girls.

I'm sure many conservative observers in the civilised world would find my benign predilections pretty unhealthy and deserve to be banned and shut down.

Yea, just take the place for what it is. No point getting your guts in a knot over things you have no control over.

Originally Posted by Thormaturge (Underage Bar Workers as young as 8 years old found in Sunee Plaza Police Operation)
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Originally Posted by sesame (Underage Bar Workers as young as 8 years old found in Sunee Plaza Police Operation)
Any theories on Redneck's point #3 above ? Just too hard to do without upsetting "important people" ??

I think Redneck is spot on.

If there is one thing Thais truly resent it is Farangs interfering.

I have no doubt at all that if one thousand Farangs stood up to condemn the child sex industry in Thailand, there would be two thousand Thais ready to defend it, not because they believe it is right, but because it is their business and not ours.

Just think of Thailand as being one gigantic trailer park and you won't go far wrong here.
As any Thai knows, -- Thais are smarter than Farangs and the dumb Farangs just don't understand how things are done in the real world which of course revolves around Thailand

Agreed.

I was referring in particular to the penultimate sentence ("Until ...) of Redneck's point #3.

^not allowed to talk about that one or could end up in jail or banned from ever entering the country again. I guess they have their reasons.

^Its certainly not lese majeste to point out that HM possesses the moral suasion to influence Thais regarding many ethical issues. - For the better.

In fact its the opposite....'jolie majeste', or whatever the Froggie phrase is....

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

Originally Posted by good2bhappy

Thailand is a developing country

That's no excuse.

In this modern age, this kind of sexual slavery involving under-age persons is unacceptable and morally wrong, regardless of what level of economic development a country is at.

You do realize that this statement implies it was once acceptable and morally right?

I like how you just pulled that out of your sparkly hat, Tud. Nice.

Originally Posted by Redneck

My point being,..... even if one hasn't used an underage hooker - being a participant within the hooking scene in any capacity - whether upstream or downstream , supply or demand side, gay or straight - makes one arguably part of the problem, not the solution

Hm. Sorry but that one is a bit of a stretch. Places that have legal prostitution scenes (like, say, singapore) seem to be able to do so without getting mired in the whole underage mess.

The whole problem is one of, well, will I suppose is the right word. Thailand has more than enough laws, as well as more than enough enforcement capability to stamp right down on the underage scene. But no will (officially or unofficially) to do so.

What enforcement is done seems to be more of a fob to the world outside of Thailand -maybe to get people off their backs. On the whole, and (generalization comming) most Thais seem distinctly unpurturbed about underage stuff - untill it gets down to REAL nasty stuff (ten and under).

Originally Posted by Redneck

^Its certainly not lese majeste to point out that HM possesses the moral suasion to influence Thais regarding many ethical issues. - For the better.

In fact its the opposite....'jolie majeste', or whatever the Froggie phrase is....

There are many issues I would like to discuss re the Thai Monarchy and their influence on Thai culture and politics. Unfortunately, such discussions are severely restricted in Thailand and on Thai based chat forums. Its not a subject we can get into here unless only positive statements are made. So not much point getting into a debate over it. Best to leave the subject alone.

But if you wish to expand your views on the subject, please carry on. Just I wont be responding to your comments.

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Originally Posted by Redneck

The whole problem is one of, well, will I suppose is the right word. Thailand has more than enough laws, as well as more than enough enforcement capability to stamp right down on the underage scene. But no will (officially or unofficially) to do so.

No will at all when the police and politicians are on the payroll of organized crime.
Welcome to Thailand. The land of smiles.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

What enforcement is done seems to be more of a fob to the world outside of Thailand -maybe to get people off their backs.

I daresay the enforcement (midnight visit from the Lord Mayor of Pattaya in his Trumpton robes and gold chain, along with the Lady Mayoress) is less a farang fob, and more a reminder not to forget their tea money.