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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson
    Dunno, you tell me. I didn't bring it up.
    You asked me if I thought Britain's historical abuses were acceptable in the context of Britain as a developing country in post #19 on this thread.

    You obviously feel there is a connection with Thailand's sex-slavery of minors in the 21st century and Britain's vague "historical abuses", whatever they might have been. Perhaps we should first understand what specific historical abuses you were referring to in order to make a proper comparison.

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    Thailand's continuing and very open sexual slavery of minors?
    You talk as if it's a government policy Tud.

    This is a report about Thailand trying to prevent individual people from making children slaves.

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    Sunee Plaza seems to have protected status by Police or Govt since this isnt the first time and sadly it won't be the last.

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    Are mayors elected here?

    This sort of thing is what politicians do just before an election.

    Turn up at a few known illegal enterprises, act "shocked" and get in the news. The Mayor knew exactly what goes on and where, otherwise he wouldn't have been there.

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    Britain's vague "historical abuses", whatever they might have been. Perhaps we should first understand what specific historical abuses you were referring to in order to make a proper comparison.
    I don't need to explain the history of your own country to you do I Tud?

    The Scots were some of the largest drug traffickers in Asia just 150 years ago.

    Child labour in Britain was legal at about the same time.

    Colonization, genocide, slavery... the list goes on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorTud View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson
    Dunno, you tell me. I didn't bring it up.
    You asked me if I thought Britain's historical abuses were acceptable in the context of Britain as a developing country in post #19 on this thread.

    You obviously feel there is a connection with Thailand's sex-slavery of minors in the 21st century and Britain's vague "historical abuses", whatever they might have been. Perhaps we should first understand what specific historical abuses you were referring to in order to make a proper comparison.

    Over to you.
    No, I asked you if you somehow found it excusable as, after the point was raised, you seemed to indicate that you thought it was.

    There's no vaugeness, Maddy's post mentioned some specifics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkkmadness
    You talk as if it's a government policy Tud.
    It is that prevalent I agree.

    We do know that several elected officials and political figures have vested interests in the sex for sale industry and human trafficking business so it's not so much of a stretch to assume they are connected in some way to similar situations of sex-slavery of minors as reported in the OP.

    Quote Originally Posted by bkkmadness
    This is a report about Thailand trying to prevent individual people from making children slaves.
    Yet the bar was "well known" and had been trading for ages and no effort was made to stop it. And there are hundreds more of these "well known" venues operating openly in Thailand.

    Perhaps more effort is needed.

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    We do know that several elected officials and political figures have vested interests in the sex for sale industry and human trafficking business
    Some fairly serious allegations. Care to name any names?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson
    Some fairly serious allegations. Care to name any names?
    I'm amazed you don't know of any after living here for so long.

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    Yes more effort is needed Tud, couldn't agree more with that.

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    And when will "we" admit to being the geatest psrt of the problem ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson
    Some fairly serious allegations.

    Godfather of Prostitution exposes politicians


    Chuwit Kamolvisit, whom many considered "a godfather of prostitution" in Thailand, has revealed that some of his best clients were senior politicians and police officers, whom he also claimed to have paid, over a decade, more than £1.5m in bribes so that his business, the real business of selling sex, could thrive.[5] “I used to buy whole trays of Rolex watches for police officers. I used to carry cash in black plastic bags for them (police)"[6] The Guardian of UK has quoted "He's the godfather of the Thai sex industry - and what he knows about corruption could bring down the government."[5] The Thai media was gripped by Chuwit's claims and the headlines ran: Top Cops Got Free Sex And Drinks. Although Thailand's foreign sex trade is overt and raucous, the enormous industry that caters exclusively for Thai men had never before been publicly scrutinised, let alone the sexual exploits of Thailand's unchallengeable officials.[5]



    Thai Government Support For Prostitution

    Support of prostitution is pervasive in political circles, as the BBC News reported in 2003 that "MPs from Thailand's ruling Thai Rak Thai Party are getting hot under the collar over plans by the party leadership to ban them from having mistresses or visiting brothels"..."One MP told The Nation newspaper that if the rules were enforced, the party would only be able to field around 30 candidates, compared to its more than 200 sitting MPs."[7]
    Attitudes towards women can be described by MP Thirachai Sirikhan, informing The Nation newspaper, "To have a mia noi (mistress) is an individual's right. There should be no problem as long as the politician causes no trouble to his family or society".[7] Having many wives was a common attribute of Thai culture in the past, but because prostitution is so pervasive a common attitude among women is that they expect their husbands to cheat, and don't believe them if they deny it.[citation needed]
    Both politicians and police has been supporting and indulging in the prostitution industry openly. Tavich, a veteran politician at 76 years was under fire in 2005 for impregnating a 14 year old girl, who worked across the street from the congressional building.[citation needed]
    After a police raid on some Bangkok parlours where policemen had sex with prostitutes, "Acting Suthisan Police chief Colonel Varanvas Karunyathat defended the police action, saying that the (police) officers involved needed to have sex with the masseuses to gain evidence for the arrest."[8] Apparently, this is standard practice as a separate police force did the same in Pattaya in May 2007.[9]
    Even more evidence of politicians supporting prostitution industry and the sexual habits of elderly Thai men in general is how Viagra is being given to elderly voters in exchange for their votes in an election drive.[10] The general attitude of Thai politicians towards the sex industry can be inferred by the incident where an unidentified member of the Cabinet who had a penis enlargement was called upon to support a lawsuit. When asked to inspect one by one the Cabinet members to find out who did it, Deputy Public Health Minister Anutin Charnveerakul implied jokingly to reporters that all of the male Cabinet members have had the operation at one time or another, so it would be impossible to know.



    Prostitution in Thailand - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by sesame
    And when will "we" admit to being the geatest psrt of the problem ?

    "we"????

    what is your role?

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    Sorry for the spelling. It makes me angry. And I think anger is needed.

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    ^^^Politician in sex scandal non-shock, more at 6...

    Human trafficking?

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    Articles like this merely attract more pervs.

    The difference with Thailand and rest of SE Asia is that Thais are a proud nation. They think they are great and strong and never colonised. (blah blah)

    Indonesia/ Flipperland and semi failed states like Myanmar and Cambodia are just as shit. But they're shit and they know they are.

    Elsewhere 'Thailand' is an alternative term for sleaze, debauchery and degradation - and whether true or not, anyone who chooses to live there is tarred with a certain brush - almost assumed to have checked out of life. Try getting a job elsewhere with Thailand on your CV, its darn hard ! Kudos to any of you who can stick it out.

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    Was it 3 weeks ago that the bars East of Sukhumvit in Pattaya were fined, the owners/cashiers arrested on the spot and served 30 day closure notices for being open after midnight, now to my mind being open after midnight is just a tiny little misdiscrection compared to something like this.

    Also, these drug tests, how accurate are they? I really find it hard to believe that nearly 50 percent of the people tested are taking drugs, I admit I know shite about drugs and drug users, but when I was a teenager in the UK I would reckon on about 1 in 20 would be into recreational drug use, thats including marijuana, has drug use rose so dramatically over the years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    when I was a teenager in the UK I would reckon on about 1 in 20 would be into recreational drug use, thats including marijuana, has drug use rose so dramatically over the years?
    when i was a teenager, about 1 in 20 weren't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    I really find it hard to believe that nearly 50 percent of the people tested are taking drugs,
    In these kinds of bars, it's probably more. It is in Nana, Cowboy and certainly Patpong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Some fairly serious allegations. Care to name any names?
    Most people here who read the newspapers know of Chewit Kamolvisit's political past and his seedy business origins. I still remember the episode where the police (or was it aliens?) abducted him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorTud View Post
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    I really find it hard to believe that nearly 50 percent of the people tested are taking drugs,
    In these kinds of bars, it's probably more. It is in Nana, Cowboy and certainly Patpong.
    Aside from the booze, there's a bit of yaba and whatever else around but I very much doubt more than half the people in these bar areas (workers and clients) are using drugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thormaturge
    I still remember the episode where the police (or was it aliens?) abducted him.
    Right on both counts. Twas alien police!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkkmadness
    there's a bit of yaba and whatever else around but I very much doubt more than half the people in these bar areas (workers and clients) are using drugs.
    It was workers I was referring to. I reckon at least 50% use yaabaa.

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    I think the figure is lower than that for the workers too. Spoke and known workers in both the cowboy and nana, seem to mainly be into the booze more than anything. I expect a few years ago when yaba was quite a bit cheaper in Bangkok the percentage was higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorTud
    It was workers I was referring to.
    Would agree. Seems to be the drug of choice for the workers. Seems the drug testing occurs more often in gay bars as well.

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