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    Cool From Utopia to Paradise Immi's new online TM6 for ALL entries mooted from May 1st

    More sanook than a revalved TM6

    Thailand Digital Arrival Card

    Even a video

    Look forward to see if as smooth as buttered bar steward

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    Is this useful in any way? Most passports are machine-readable these days, so how will a TM6 make a difference?

    Then Thai Immigration still insist on all these hand stamps. If they want to save time at the desk then the Hong Kong style printed slip would work better.

    Will it be down to airlines to check every Thailand bound passenger before boarding?

    How about people who like to make last minute decisions, maybe they live in KL and decide to grab a couple of days in Bangkok because tomorrow's flights are cheap? Oh, but I need a QR code 3 days ago. Fook it, I'll go to Singapore.

    And yet again, it is a process that disenfranchises people, particularly older people, who don't want to own a smart phone. I have a friend who has never owned a smart phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    Is this useful in any way? Most passports are machine-readable these days, so how will a TM6 make a difference?

    Then Thai Immigration still insist on all these hand stamps. If they want to save time at the desk then the Hong Kong style printed slip would work better.

    Will it be down to airlines to check every Thailand bound passenger before boarding?

    How about people who like to make last minute decisions, maybe they live in KL and decide to grab a couple of days in Bangkok because tomorrow's flights are cheap? Oh, but I need a QR code 3 days ago. Fook it, I'll go to Singapore.

    And yet again, it is a process that disenfranchises people, particularly older people, who don't want to own a smart phone. I have a friend who has never owned a smart phone.
    There's a website also.

    And if older people haven't got a computer, they've probably booked through a travel agent who can handle this for them.

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    I am sure there will be workarounds.

    The real question is why create a process that obstructs, that requires working ways around?

    Why not make travellers' lives easier, rather than less easy?

    The immigration entry process is a simple enough flow chart that could be handled much better by machines

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    Is this useful in any way? Most passports are machine-readable these days, so how will a TM6 make a difference?
    Your passport does not have any info about your whereabouts in Thailand, where authorities can reach you if they need to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    I am sure there will be workarounds.

    The real question is why create a process that obstructs, that requires working ways around?

    Why not make travellers' lives easier, rather than less easy?

    The immigration entry process is a simple enough flow chart that could be handled much better by machines
    You mean why do what an increasing number of other countries are doing to collect some measure of data on travellers?

    Oh, I don't know, maybe it will speed up the actual airport process or, more importantly, give them time to weed out undesirables before they arrive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Molle View Post
    Your passport does not have any info about your whereabouts in Thailand, where authorities can reach you if they need to.
    Because every backpacker lists all addresses where they wil be staying. With dates. It's BS.

    The QR code will do nothing to change that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    You mean why do what an increasing number of other countries are doing to collect some measure of data on travellers?

    Oh, I don't know, maybe it will speed up the actual airport process or, more importantly, give them time to weed out undesirables before they arrive?
    My contention is that it will have the opposite effect.

    At checkin, the airline will presumably want to know you have the QR code, because they won't want to fly you back for free. So will they all have the ability to read the QR code? AirAsia wants you to check in online, and then they have to check the passport, and then they have to check the QR code. Whatever they will do, it adds bureaucracy to an already tedious process.

    On arrival these days, you currently show your passport. The machine reads it and off you go. Now, you will have to show a QR code and your passport. The machine reads one, then the other. So twice as long. Unless the arrival's phone is out of battery. While the IO sits there trying to look intelligent and the queue behind grows ever longer.

    Yes there is a possible advantage when people on the stop list want to get in. Presumably they will not be able to get a QR code before flying. And we all know that systems are imperfect, poor old Chan Fat might not get a QR code because he shares a name and a date of birth with 100 other Chan Fats. None of which stops Chinese and Indian people who all look alike to the IO using A. N. Other's passport, because there are no biometrics.

    I rail against bureaucracy and this one desrves a good rail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    How about people who like to make last minute decisions
    My work flights are often issued the day before flying, I won't get the 3 days notice.

    The longer I live here the stupider the Thais seem to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mendip View Post
    My work flights are often issued the day before flying, I won't get the 3 days notice.

    The longer I live here the stupider the Thais seem to be.
    Sorry sir, you are totally screwed.

    At least you have an agent to deal with all this stuff, so for no extra money they'll need to find a way to make it work.

    Either that, or you'll need to spend a few days in Norway waiting for the magic QR code. You see how much easier your life will become? And your employers will love it too, right? Just what they need, a bit more cost.

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    I think like all the other nonsense we seem to get bombarded with in this ridiculous country, it just won't happen. Even the Thais will see how stupid this is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mendip View Post
    The longer I live here the stupider the Thais seem to be.
    It is all entirely straightforward. The government sets out a strategy, like more tourists or more native speaker teachers. Then the Labour Department and the Immigration Department compete to see who can be first to make the policy fail. They don't need to train for it, it's a natural talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mendip View Post
    My work flights are often issued the day before flying, I won't get the 3 days notice.

    The longer I live here the stupider the Thais seem to be.
    how many days notice will you get before flying back in? The TM6 isnt for leaving.

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    I think you are looking at this all wrong

    how do some thais make money from this change

    like the health check before arrival system - because the website was a schmozzle , people would arrive and do it at a counter before immigration staffed with a number of thais to assist - these people will have been employed by the company that has the "contract"
    If you torture data for enough time , you can get it to say what you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    how many days notice will you get before flying back in? The TM6 isnt for leaving.
    It all depends on operations. Usually have flights issued on a Friday the week before (no problem I guess) or the Monday for Wednesday flights, sometimes the day before or the morning of the flights. They can change last minute if the port of crew change, changes, etc.

    I'm sure there will be a service to accomodate this... maybe.

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    Thailands Upcoming Mandatory Digital Arrival Card Faces Online Backlash

    As Thailand prepares to roll out its Digital Arrival Card (TDAC) on May 1, 2025, replacing the paper-based TM6 form, the initiative is meeting with a wave of criticism online.

    Intended to modernize immigration and streamline tourist entry, the TDAC requires all foreign travelers to submit personal and travel details digitally before arrival. However, instead of enthusiasm, the response from netizens has been largely negative, with frustration and confusion dominating the conversation.

    Travelers have taken to platforms like X and Facebook to voice their concerns. Many argue that the shift to a digital system adds unnecessary complexity to an already straightforward process. One user lamented that scrapping the TM6 was a smart move, only for this “hot mess” of a replacement to undo that progress, calling it an annoyance that fails to enhance security or efficiency.


    Others have pointed out practical issues, such as the lack of clarity around the application process, with reports of a glitchy website and an unhelpful video tutorial fueling the discontent. For those less tech-savvy, like elderly travelers or those with potential language barriers, the absence of a clear backup plan has sparked worries about accessibility.


    Foreign residents of Thailand have added their own grievances to the mix, particularly over a glaring apparent oversight in the TDAC application: It currently doesn’t allow users to select Thailand as their place of residence. Expats and long-term visa holders have flooded online forums and social media with complaints, arguing that the system seems designed solely for tourists, leaving them in a bureaucratic limbo. One X user, a retiree living in Chiang Mai, vented that after years of calling Thailand home, they’re now forced to misrepresent their status or risk rejection at the border. This flaw has intensified perceptions that the rollout was poorly thought out, alienating a key group of Thailand’s international community.


    Social media posts also highlight fears of delays and technical hiccups. Commenters have questioned what happens if a QR code—meant to be presented at immigration—fails to generate, leaving travelers stranded after expensive flights. The integration with systems like e-Visa and tourist fee collection has some wondering if this is less about convenience and more about data harvesting or future fees, further souring perceptions.

    While Thai officials tout the TDAC as a step toward efficiency and safety, the online reaction suggests a rocky road ahead, despite officials also saying there will be ample backup options to help people through Immigration who struggled with the form. With the launch date looming, the chorus of skepticism could pressure authorities to address these concerns—or risk alienating the very tourists and residents they aim to accommodate.

    Thailands Upcoming Mandatory Digital Arrival Card Faces Online Backlash - The Pattaya News

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    I don't really see the fuss abt the TM6 online pre-entry form. Many countries have installed their own online portals since c*vid. Maybe they've planned to implement this before, then c*vid expedited the need/ process. The countries that I know which had/ have them are PH, Japan, Taiwan, SG, Malaysia, Indonesia - though I don't know which of these countries still use them. When I went to Taiwan in 2023, I had done the online registration prior to my flight but upon arrival, I filled out a paper form. The IO took the paper form & didn't ask for my QR code/ online form. Upon return to PH, the staff in Manila Airport did ask to see my QR code for PH entry (but if one doesn't have it, there were ppl who could assist).

    I do agree that these online forms/ QR codes disenfranchises older people or those who are tech challenged. My dad (RIP) never learned how to use a cellphone (they had a land-line). My mom wouldn't know how to do the online registration (but she has an analogue cellphone) - but at her age & physical condition, she won't be travelling abroad by herself.

    As for data privacy & stuff - various governments have our data already, so I'm not really worried abt that. I think S. Korea & Taiwan have this fingerprint scanner (index finger only) at their passport control - so they have my prints. The US govt has my fingerprints since I applied at their embassy for a tourist visa. <shrug>
    Last edited by katie23; 01-04-2025 at 07:28 AM. Reason: Added info

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    It’s not so difficult to do. Japan had it when I went in and out several times in ‘22 and ‘23. They had a place for you to sit and piddle with your phone to sign up as well as people to help those who were technologically challenged. All went smoothly. However, TiT where the default mode is chaos and you can expect things to go that way because they haven’t thought things out properly.

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    Correct MsKitty if the online 90 day clunky software anything to go by.

    I foresee some possible issues

    1 Is the software really resilient, a 6 month optional phase be better real word beta testing?

    2 If it is required boarding, who will help a blind non Thai German speaker in Zambia or a Portuguese speaker flying in from Egypt etc

    3 Hard for yachtsman to predict precise arrival times, or those travelling on long overland routes through rural laos, myanmar etc, border bouncers also

    4 Some may have the requisite , eyesight, equipment and tech skills but no chance to print, many trips take 24 hrs plus from Latin America etc so the real window less than 2 days from departures which likely to late to refund reschedule if denied in error or because system falure or overload. The Malay systems clunky address fill will put me off darkening their kampongs again.


    5 Others note lack of battery (as many airlines are banning chargers) I know top rate airlines have ports even in economy but not all.

    Maybe to start access on arrival to data if unlike most visitors dont already have a loaded registered working Thai sim or home country roaming correctly configured.
    I know tech savvy eSim young people will manage, the elderly may struggle and the endless queues will affect all and lead to even grumpier staff if that is possible.

    I think they might be better to offer a back up, be it a digital option via screens in arrivals with bad actors unwanted made to wait at IDC until somone pays for flight out.

    Once airlines become liable it'll almost certainly be a check in requirement IMHO

    With only a month until roll out we'll soon find out how well it works.
    Last edited by david44; 01-04-2025 at 08:48 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by david44 View Post

    Look forward to see if as smooth as buttered bar steward
    Yes, of course.
    And then add Thainess to the mix.

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    I think they might be better to offer a back up, be it a digital option via screens in arrivals with bad actors unwanted made to wait at IDC until somone pays for flight out.
    I think de caprio prefers the maldives anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    I think de caprio prefers the maldives anyway.
    You are on top form today , I'm still on my elevenses, see I'm going to need a bigger Thesaurus to equal your eloquence,very drole, ava Bar Nana

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    The integration with systems like e-Visa and tourist fee collection has some wondering if this is less about convenience and more about data harvesting or future fees, further souring perceptions.
    And just like that, the veil is lifted. The electronic TM6 makes no sense at all, it adds no value, only a roadblock. Until you remember that TAT have been whining for years that tourists don't get sufficiently ripped off, they need to pay an arrival tax, but the problem they couldn't solve was how to collect the dosh. Et voilą! Get this pre-arrival registration working, iron out the bugs and then charge USD10 for the service. It's all about money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Molle View Post
    Your passport does not have any info about your whereabouts in Thailand, where authorities can reach you if they need to.
    for us pseudo-residents, Immigration already has our address and hotels will submit a TM30 for tourists every time they check in...won't they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by david44 View Post
    Correct MsKitty if the online 90 day clunky software anything to go by.
    It works fine if you know the rules.

    Of course when each office keeps fucking changing them, that's when it goes tits up.

    I should add that Cambodia has had e-Arrival since May last year, and they didn't have anywhere near this level of farang whining when they brought it in, and no-one complains about it now, so either it works or they dropped it.

    Cambodia introduces new &quot;E-Arrival App&quot; (Cambodia introduces new "E-Arrival App")
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