Not sure i agree with this campaign by CSI LA, there are a lot of businesses on the island that have nothing to do with this,and if successful its going to hurt them.
I agree that the police and the owners of certain establishments, should be targeted, but innocent people not connected no.
Glimmer of hope here in finding out the truth. Looks like the UK might have DNA of the killers. In that case, an easy matter to confirm it is the current suspects or if not, to start over with a fresh glass of milk.
BRITAIN CONCERNED ABOUT THAI MURDER INVESTIGATION - OFFERS ASSISTANCE - Andrew Drummond
Letter to prayuth, this ain't going away its just starting.
ARAKAN INDOBHASA: Open Letter to H.E. Gen. Prayut Chan-o-cha, Prime Minister of Royal Thai Government
At some point, the RTP will have to submit to an independent DNA confirmation. Things should get interesting when that happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yasojack
doubt they will - the lads are on track to commit suicide soon, or perhaps both die in a death fight, over they feeling of tremendous guilt.Quote:
Originally Posted by thailazerAt some point, the RTP will have to submit to an independent DNA confirmation. Things should get interesting when that happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yasojack
If the Burmese have been framed, I wonder how far up in the BIB the corruption went ? At some stage, if it all goes tits up, certain higher-ups may require lower-downs to fall on their swords.
Hope the current groundswell of interest and momentum surrounding this case prevents this.Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolusdoubt they will - the lads are on track to commit suicide soon, or perhaps both die in a death fight, over they feeling of tremendous guilt.Quote:
Originally Posted by thailazerAt some point, the RTP will have to submit to an independent DNA confirmation. Things should get interesting when that happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yasojack
stated for humour I presume :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Latindancer
The Story of the Koh Tao Murder - YouTube
Very good summation and asks at the end the pertinent questions.
If the burmese lads did it, why did they not run away from the island and instead voluntarily go to the immigrant DNA checks straight away where their DNA was taken and they were cleared as not being involved? (photographed).
Why were the two men who threatened the jock never DNA tested and never questioned, and why was one of them allowed into the crime scene when the crime was discovered?
Why does the "son" nom sod not have to take a DNA case and why does the investigating police not force him to? After all, a proven liar, his lawyer tried to pass of images from a security video as being inside the university when they were later revealed to not be from the University at all but from a condo building next door.
Then it up to the businesses on the island to get wholeheartedly behind the people who are trying to uncover whatever passes for truth in this country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yasojack
There are no innocents. The island was populated by fishermen who in times past also derived an income from piracy in which rape, murder and pillage were the hallmarks of their trade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yasojack
No Thais on that island believe the killers were anything but Thai. You hear them clamouring for the release of the Burmese patsies?
Innocents indeed. In this country there are only the guilty or the stupid.
Which are you thegent?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seekingasylum
Neal ask yourself this, would you come out in the open and start condemning the mafia.
From what i have read and seen there are residents of the island coming out though no doubt want to keep the ID out of it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by VocalNealThen it up to the businesses on the island to get wholeheartedly behind the people who are trying to uncover whatever passes for truth in this country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yasojack
The island no doubt has decent folks and foreign investment on the island.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeekingasylumThere are no innocents. The island was populated by fishermen who in times past also derived an income from piracy in which rape, murder and pillage were the hallmarks of their trade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yasojack
No Thais on that island believe the killers were anything but Thai. You hear them clamouring for the release of the Burmese patsies?
Innocents indeed. In this country there are only the guilty or the stupid.
A YouTube video "Evil Men From Koh Tao" would be an interesting addition and maybe help to add pressure to open up the investigation.
Saw in the news this morning that the British Foreign Office has called in the senior Thai diplomat in the UK to discuss the case.
BBC News
October 13, 2014
The Thai charge d'affaires has been summoned to the UK Foreign Office over concerns about the inquiry into the murders of two British tourists.
The Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) said the summons of Nadhavathna Krishnamra on Monday followed a call made by Mr Swire to Thailand's deputy prime minister and foreign minister earlier this month.
In a statement, the FCO said: "Mr Swire stressed that there was a real concern in the UK about how the investigation has been handled by the Thai authorities. He said that it was crucial for the investigation to be conducted in a fair and transparent way."
The FCO added: "Mr Swire emphasised how important it was that the UK and Hannah and David's families received regular updates on the investigation's progress. He also noted his concern about the way that the police had engaged with the media on the case and reiterated that the UK police stood ready to assist with the investigation and subsequent legal process."
The FCO previously said it was "concerned" about reports the Burmese workers have been mistreated by Thai police and had raised those concerns with the relevant authorities.
Full article: BBC News - British tourist murders: Thai diplomat summoned
It would go all the way up to the PM who should have fallen on his sword already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Latindancer
Stand-in Ambassador, no less, is as strong as it gets from the UK.
The Saudi's sent some diplomats to sort out the diamond thing and I seem to recall they just murdered them.......
^Yeah, but this time they're calling in the Thai Charge, instead of going to them. If the Thai gets mouthy, they can always toss him to the Pakistani mob.
The summoning of the Thai diplomat to the Foreign Office is timely and a shot across the bows of those orchestrating the Burmese frame - up.
But it is curious in that the Foreign minister concerned, Hugo Swire, has stated that among other issues he and the British public were dismayed by the conduct of the Thai police in their dealings with the media. This is of course a criticism of the disgraceful attempt by the Thai authorities to tarnish the victims' reputations and the equally deplorable nonsensical attempt to implicate their friend, Christopher Ware, in their murders.
Yet, only last week the British ambassador in Bangkok, Mark Kent, was reported in the Bangkok Post to have stated his satisfaction with the conduct of the police investigation and indeed was photographed, somewhat cheesily, among the Royal Thai Police celebrating the appointment of their new commander.
So, is Mark Kent due for a recall? Or is it now normal strategy to have an ambassador publicly say one thing and then, equally publically, be contradicted by his boss in London?
Personally, I think Kent was an idiot for attending that celebration but did he in fact say what he is widely reported to have said and which has since been re - quoted by no less than the current Prime Minister?
Kent needs to account for himself. Either he's made a balls up of this or he's been stitched up.
Asian Correspondent
October 13, 2014
Written by: Saksith Saiyasombut & Siam Voices, Daniel Maxwell
Following the brutal murders of Hannah Witheridge and David Miller on Koh Tao last month, the UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office has updated its travel advice to include a warning about the dangers of travelling to Thailand’s island destinations.
The update advisory said: “Western tourists including British nationals have been victims of vicious, unprovoked attacks by individuals and gangs in Koh Samui, Koh Phangan and Koh Tao. Violent sexual assaults and robberies against both men and women are reported regularly in the Koh Samui archipelago and Krabi province.”
This is just the latest repercussion from the Koh Tao murders to tarnish Thailand’s tourist-friendly image.
In another embarrassing incident last week, the Thai media reported that the British Ambassador to Thailand, Mark Kent had praised the Royal Thai Police on their handling of the murder investigation: “The British Ambassador to Thailand expressed his satisfaction on how the case was being handled and his government would not interfere in any way with the investigation. Mr. Kent went on to praise the Royal Thai Police in solving the case and have shown exemplary professionalism as a crime fighting unit.”
Mark Kent later denied ever making such a statement and the comments have since been removed from the Thai PBS News website.
Meanwhile, back in the UK another suspicious death on Koh Tao has come to light. The parents of Nick Pearson, whose body was in the sea on New Year’s Day, believe his murder was covered up to protect Thailand’s lucrative tourist industry.
All this comes amongst growing pressure from human rights organizations and the media in the UK to ensure a fair and transparent trial in this high profile murder case. It will be interesting to see what effect all this negative press has on tourism over the coming months.
http://asiancorrespondent.com/127360...lands-islands/
In a way agreed but the pressure shouldn't cease just because it effects other "innocent" businesses.Quote:
Originally Posted by YasojackNeal ask yourself this, would you come out in the open and start condemning the mafia.
From what i have read and seen there are residents of the island coming out though no doubt want to keep the ID out of it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by VocalNealThen it up to the businesses on the island to get wholeheartedly behind the people who are trying to uncover whatever passes for truth in this country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yasojack
The police being dunderheads I could probably cope with, but being complicit? It will be the lack of, or inequality of, justice in the system that eventually brings the country to any form of civil war.
What we really need is an undercover tasty western lady to have a liaison with the prime suspect and then see if his DNA matches.
Thank you for that Mr.Cakewalk.
Well, who would have thought it. A deliberate lie planted in the English language national dailies to bolster support for a deeply flawed and corrupted investigation.
Well, of course we all know that the " quote " will be attributed by the Thai to a " misunderstanding " but I wonder who was behind it. Ummm.
Was it only yesterday that the same English language newspapers reported that following a visit the Burmese government has also expressed its satisfaction the investigation is well above board.
They simply have no integrity whatsoever.
Lawyers Council will attend court hearing
Bangkok Post
October 14, 2014
Writer: Sirinya Wattanasukchai
Lawyers from the Lawyers Council of Thailand will accompany three potential witnesses from Myanmar as they testify in the Koh Tao murder case in a court in Samui Tuesday, human rights advocate Surapong Kongchantuk said.
It is unclear whether the two accused Myanmar workers, Win Zaw Htun and Zaw Lin, will appear at the hearing. If they are, it would be the first time they are represented by lawyers during official questioning.
Media in London reported the British government on Monday summoned Thailand's top diplomatic representative to lay out its "real concern" about the murder investigation.
Win and Zaw are charged with the murders of Hannah Witheridge and David Miller, who were found dead on Koh Tao's Sai Ree beach in the early hours of Sept 15.
In addition to Maung Maung, a roommate of the suspects who says he did not see the killings, two other Myanmar nationals, Ren Ren and Nee Ong, have been called to give depositions Tuesday, said Mr Surapong, who is chairman of the Lawyers Council of Thailand's human rights subcommittee on ethnic minorities.
He did not say how Ren and Nee were connected to the case. It is unclear where they are being held, but they are known not to be permanent residents. He said the authorities might further question Win and Zaw to make up for shortcomings noted by prosecutors in the 300-page investigation report.
Mr Surapong said the council decided Monday to assign two lawyers, working pro bono, to aid a human rights network assisting the witnesses. So far, questioning of the suspects and witnesses have been done without a lawyer and a proper interpreter present.
One high-ranking police officer told the media the Myanmar nationals didn't ask for a lawyer. "It's the police's duty to inform the Myanmar nationals that they have the right to request a lawyer," Mr Surapong said. They can also request an interpreter who is neutral and unaffiliated with the police. He claims the authorities failed to inform them of those rights.
Mr Surapong said a team of lawyers would later be assigned to the case. He didn't give the lawyers' names. They plan to help the suspects and witnesses navigate the legal process, including informing them how to confess if they are guilty and how to defend themselves if they are innocent.
The lawyers also intend to check into the physical condition of the suspects amid reports they are showing signs of stress. They will also attempt to determine whether Win and Zaw were tortured to confess, as the rights group Amnesty International has claimed.
But this could only happen if the authorities allowed the lawyers to examine them, he said. Mr Surapong said defending the suspects, which has attracted local and international scrutiny, requires a large team of lawyers. The case has dented relations between Thailand, Myanmar and Britain, and harmed Thailand's reputation as a tourism destination. It has also raised questions about Thailand's judicial process, Mr Surapong said.
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Maung Maung (blue shirt), alleged witness and friend of the accused killers and still in police custody in Koh Samui, is interviewed by a Myanmar embassy legal team last week. He will appear Tuesday at a formal police interrogation. (Photo by Min Oo)
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