Thread: Two Tourists Brutally Murdered on Koh Tao, One Raped: Police Spark Thailand Manhunt

And still no statement on the UK Embassy website/twitter site,its shameful.

The Burmese can come out and say what they think.

UK one of the world powers.

https://twitter.com/ukinthailand

Originally Posted by thailazer

http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2014/10/0...-were-tortured

Am I allowed to quote the article?

In Burmese media reports, the lawyer said the two men told him they only confessed because they were forced to under torture.
"They told me that they were on the beach that night drinking and singing songs,” he said. “They said they didn't do it, that the Thai police (along with their Burmese-Thai translator) beat them until they confessed to something they didn't do. They're pleading with the Burmese government to look into the case and find out the truth. They were a really pitiful sight. Their bodies had all sorts of bruises. I have already reported all that I have seen today to my government."

Confession recanted, not guilty plea. Egg on face of BIB and the powers that be, and they will roll on to divert attention from the actual likely suspects.

Will the last Thai official with a bit of integrity and aback bone please stand up?

Originally Posted by Yasojack

And still no statement on the UK Embassy website/twitter site,its shameful.

The Burmese can come out and say what they think.

UK one of the world powers.

https://twitter.com/ukinthailand

I wouldn't take the lack of comment from the UK authorities as an indication of inaction on their part. I'm also certain that both bodies will have had thorough autopsies in the UK, in preparation for the Coroners Inquests.

Very much a case of wait and see as events unfold.

Myanmar Suspects in Koh Tao Murders Tortured Under Interrogation: Lawyer

CHIANG MAI, Thailand — Two Burmese migrants currently being detained on Thailand’s Koh Samui were allegedly beaten and threatened by Thai police and an interpreter under interrogation for the murders of two British tourists last month, according to a Burmese lawyer who spoke with the accused.

The two migrants from Burma’s Arakan State, Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun, are suspected of murdering Hannah Witheridge, 23, and David Miller, 24, on Koh Tao in Thailand’s Surat Thani province on Sept. 15.

Aung Myo Thant, a Burmese lawyer who is part of a legal team sent by the Burmese Embassy in Bangkok to represent the accused, told The Irrawaddy that Win Zaw Htun was assaulted and threatened after refusing to confess to the murders during a police interrogation.

“He didn’t confess when he was in the investigation center,” Aung Myo Thant said. “A police officer hit the side of his face and the interpreter also hit him four times. Then police threatened to electrocute them [the suspects] and said that no worse thing would happen to them if they confessed. So, they finally confessed as they saw no hope.”

The lawyer said Win Zaw Htun had asked him to “please protect us in accordance with the law.” Aung Myo Thant said the migrants signed a power of attorney document over to the embassy’s legal team, allowing it to represent the accused men in court.

Thai authorities denied a request by the Burmese legal team to meet with another Burmese migrant Maung Maung, who is being held by Thai police as a witness.

“Police told us Maung Maung is not a criminal. They are keeping him to be a witness and provide testimony to the prosecutor. So, they can’t let us meet him. They told us they are keeping him at a hotel,” said Aung Myo Thant. There were unconfirmed reports stating that Maung Maung, who is a friend of the two suspects, was also badly beaten by Thai police.

Several Burmese migrant workers who were among those recently questioned by Thai authorities on Koh Tao in connection with the murders told The Irrawaddy that they were beaten during questioning. Than Hlaing, one of six Burmese migrants who were questioned by Thai police last Thursday, alleged that the group was beaten under interrogation.

The Burmese legal team plans to visit Koh Tao in order to meet with the Burmese community there and collect more information. The team said they are cooperating with the Burmese government and the Burmese Embassy in Bangkok and are acting in accordance with Thai law. Burma’s President Thein Sein will discuss the murder case when he meets Thai Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha in Burma later this week.

When contacted by The Irrawaddy on Tuesday, the mother of three Burmese migrant workers who alleged that Thai police poured hot water over them during questioning said she would not let her children speak to the media out of fear for their safety. She said that after the allegation surfaced in the media, Thai police came to warn her children that they would be in trouble if they spoke to the media again.

“We will try our best to help our Burmese people as they are often abused in Thailand,” Aung Myo Thant said. “We also demanded that Thai police protect our citizens in accordance with the law.”

Hang on a minute don't accused people all over the world plead innocent , aren't the worlds jails !00% full of innocent people too ...

Is it normal for the Burmese Embassy to provide lawyers ?

Originally Posted by blue

Hang on a minute don't accused people all over the world plead innocent , aren't the worlds jails !00% full of innocent people too ...

Is it normal for the Burmese Embassy to provide lawyers ?

All accused people should plead guilty.End of story.

No need for a trial.

Next!

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Thai authorities denied a request by the Burmese legal team to meet with another Burmese migrant Maung Maung,

Sounds like he's been over interrogated, give it a week for him to heal up for the photo shoot.

^Is it too early for him to hang himself on a shoestring in his holding cell?

Originally Posted by thailazer

Now the police are threatening the public not to talk to the media down there.

Indeed - as it says in that article, the illegals down there have been threatened to not talk to anyone by the police. Lucky for them there are a few saps like Blue who will swallow their BS.,

CSI LA take a look not want to post it may get deleted.

Koh Tao case ends for police, not for social media detective | Bangkok Post: news

There is one thing about this entire case on which everything hinges : whether the DNA from sperm found in her matches DNA taken from his cheek swab.

I hope the UK authorities have taken their own DNA samples from the sperm remnants her vagina. And that they somehow manage to get samples of the Burmese guy's DNA from his hair, cheek swab, or whatever.

Kia ora Tēnā koe, Latindancer bro.

I agree with you. Here's hoping justice will prevail at the end of the day.

*Crossing fingers and toes..

Originally Posted by Yasojack

CSI LA take a look not want to post it may get deleted.

Reading the Google translation is akin to reading a random word generator.

Bangkok post have really come out on this

Koh Tao case shatters faith in our police | Bangkok Post: opinion

Originally Posted by Latindancer

There is one thing about this entire case on which everything hinges : whether the DNA from sperm found in her matches DNA taken from his cheek swab.

And that assumes they are actually the same samples that were "found" at the crime scene.

The local headman and his police/mafia mates must be about to blow a gasket, with all of these ankle biters interfering with "the case."

It's laughable that the PM even commented on the whole sorry investigation. He's been shown up as yet another Thai puppet on a glove. He sticks his oar in and gets torn a new one by the local hoods/cops. Pathetic but all so predictable in The Land of Frowns.

Originally Posted by BobR

Originally Posted by Latindancer

There is one thing about this entire case on which everything hinges : whether the DNA from sperm found in her matches DNA taken from his cheek swab.

I hope the UK authorities have taken their own DNA samples from the sperm remnants her vagina. And that they somehow manage to get samples of the Burmese guy's DNA from his hair, cheek swab, or whatever.

It will match, but since it's the credibility of the police that's at issue here that match will be meaningless. The real question is whether the "matching" DNA claimed to have been taken from the victim's vagina really was, or is it a double sample taken from the accused, which of course would "match."

Without a firm "chain of evidence" that is possession of the evidence by a trusted person or persons from the time of collection, through its testing to its presentation in Court evidence like DNA is more than useless, it's downright dangerous.

One of the regrettable drawbacks of DNA testing is that it now takes so little for a corrupt cop to set someone up. Fortunately that does not happen often, but TIT and there were important people to protect.

I don't think the UK authorities took an independent sample, which is too bad. It would have needed to be taken directly from the victim's vagina early in the investigation and maintained in the possession of embassy officials to have any meaning. Even if they have one, if they got it from the Thais, they do not have a complete and reliable chain of evidence.

This whole thing stinks.

PS: "chain of evidence" is a simple concept, Wikipedia refers to it as "chain of custody" which is the same thing and had an interesting write up on the concept. Chain of custody - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Two good posts. Let's hope there is a trusted cardinal record of the two DNA tests from either the UK or Singapore. At this point, nothing in Thailand can be trusted.

good post Bob been thinking that about the sperm myself, just hope the brits were able to get some though i would imagine the body may have been sterilised.

Originally Posted by BobR

Originally Posted by Latindancer

There is one thing about this entire case on which everything hinges : whether the DNA from sperm found in her matches DNA taken from his cheek swab.

I hope the UK authorities have taken their own DNA samples from the sperm remnants her vagina. And that they somehow manage to get samples of the Burmese guy's DNA from his hair, cheek swab, or whatever.

It will match, but since it's the credibility of the police that's at issue here that match will be meaningless. The real question is whether the "matching" DNA claimed to have been taken from the victim's vagina really was, or is it a double sample taken from the accused, which of course would "match."

Without a firm "chain of evidence" that is possession of the evidence by a trusted person or persons from the time of collection, through its testing to its presentation in Court evidence like DNA is more than useless, it's downright dangerous.

One of the regrettable drawbacks of DNA testing is that it now takes so little for a corrupt cop to set someone up. Fortunately that does not happen often, but TIT and there were important people to protect.

I don't think the UK authorities took an independent sample, which is too bad. It would have needed to be taken directly from the victim's vagina early in the investigation and maintained in the possession of embassy officials to have any meaning. Even if they have one, if they got it from the Thais, they do not have a complete and reliable chain of evidence.

This whole thing stinks.

PS: "chain of evidence" is a simple concept, Wikipedia refers to it as "chain of custody" which is the same thing and had an interesting write up on the concept. Chain of custody - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by Yasojack

good post Bob been thinking that about the sperm myself

Originally Posted by Yasojack

good post Bob been thinking that about the sperm myself

Jack's gonna kill me for that, but I couldn't resist..

*Just kidding bro (go easy)..

The Bangkok Times will be spanked, we aint gonna see much change in the status quo.

Some scummy fuckstick from Kho Tao got away with double homicide.

however much we'd like to bbq the perpetrator, we are just a bunch of impotent internet CSI numbnuts. Live with it, or get an ulcer

good to see the Human rights commission asking for information.


https://www.change.org/p/the-governm...d-david-miller

Also, The Human Rights Commission of Thailand is asking anyone with any knowledge of the events leading up to, including and the aftermath of the murders of David Miller and Hannah Witheridge to please report anonymously to Dr. Niran Head of the NHRC Thailand
0818767099 Penpun_i@yahoo.com