Thread: Two Tourists Brutally Murdered on Koh Tao, One Raped: Police Spark Thailand Manhunt

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

None of this endless speculation is going to make any difference. Nor will the petitions. It's over. Forget about it. They're dead almost three weeks now. The Thai have the conclusion desired. It's done. Just another sordid tale from the LOS.

Only problem is, the killers are free and Koh Tao will be remembered for it.

I rather think there will be several thousands who shall remind cyberia of the fact of this ghastly cover up.

Certainly, I have spoken to my kith and kin and there are consequences among their milieu.

There are at least three homicidal psycho Thai chaps on that island who have now tasted blood and will be free. Wouldn't want my daughter or son to spend time on it and will do my best to inform others.

All a question of responsibility, really. One can only do one's best and when folk ask I shall advise them accordingly. Go to Vietnam, Malaysia or even Cambodia but give Thailand a wide berth unless it's just a few days in Bangers.

I can feel the tourist industry crumbling as we speak.

It's already been forgotten by pretty much everybody.

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Tourism operators there said tourist activity has apparently picked up since police succeeded in unraveling the murder case and apprehended the suspects

Yep, once they heard them pesky Burmese did it they phoned up and made the bookings straight away, like you do. " ooh, have you caught the murderers? Oh, you have, have you. So it's safe to come now. Hey, that's great, Can I book a room for the week? "

Do these morons actually think anyone believes their shite.

It took a whole three years after the Bali bombings for tourist numbers to hit a new high.

Originally Posted by Neo

just... wrong

Was My evidence so clear that it had to be deleted ?

Police charges for those accusing the police of using scapegoats - Samui Times

Originally Posted by Neo

So what's the rub then..? The Myanmar lads are taking the rap in return for a stipend of money to their families, or are they just plain shitting it that they'll be losing their own lives if they don't go along with this..?

No takers on that then..?

Unless they're guilty why would they confess, and continue to go along with it..?

^ I avoided that one earlier... dunno mate, I am no sleuth...

*I just know, that something is not right with this case - I don't think any of us on here
could swear to our parents, that either they caught the right guys, or they are using scapegoats... just something fishy, is all I'm saying.

We will never know the truth.

This is rather more challenging than the 9/11 thread.

Even that article above has two different versions of what happened to the phone....

Thai PBS actually doing some investigative reporting rather than repeating press releases. Not ideal (should have used a pig carcass) but they make their case -where is the knife, plod. No way millers cuts came from that hoe.

Originally Posted by Yasojack

Later, after the two suspects were detained and they confessed to the crime, police asked about the phone. One of the suspects said he had left it with a friend and when the friend was questioned he led them to the phone.

Right - so to be clear, they are now saying they had arrested questioned and had the confessions of these lads on the 17th September when they first produced Davids black iphone for the media?

What a load of horseshit

Originally Posted by pseudolus

on the 17th September they first produced Davids black iphone for the media?

I don't remember that

Originally Posted by blue

Originally Posted by pseudolus

on the 17th September they first produced Davids black iphone for the media?

I don't remember that

https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...ml#post2863547

There was never any reported DNA traces on the hoe to suggest Miller had ever been hit with it. Only the girls DNA was reported on the hoe.

Three autopsies were conducted. All the examiners concurred that Miller had died from a combination of sever blows to the head with a "blunt" object followed by drowning.

The other wounds on Miller could have been caused by any number of things. It appears that he had been in some kind of fight for his life and had been dragged into the water, either semi conscious or unconscious.

It seems quite possible that one of the corners of a digging hoe might cause wounds like the ones shown, if it was just being jabbed instead of being swung like an axe...but the lack of any DNA traces would seem to rule even that out.

We have two hoes exactly like the one shown in the videos and I've used them myself. A high swinging blow would be devastating because it's quite a heavy thing and the blade cuts deep without too much effort. (very desirable in a tool used for digging)
If you can dig trenches in rock hard soil with it, you can imagine what it would do to somebody's skull.

The demonstration of the hoe attack would explain the terrible wounds on the girl, but not on Miller. The suspects appear to be acting out an attack on the wrong victim. A bit of wire crossing in the demonstrating by the looks of things....

Wide speculation that Hannah was roofied, yet no toxicology report released as this would no doubt throw the spot light back on AC bar. Hannah drugged, taken to beach and raped, David follows to see if she is OK and killed. After rape, kill her too. No evidence that they went to the beach together after all and the CCTV was not released at the time when she would be going to the beach. What did it show and who was she with?

The hole there digging is getting Bigger by the day.

The foreign media is going to pounce on this soon.

^ Hi Koman, it sounds like you are becoming more skeptical than your original post.

I am surprised the news report above (hoe demonstration) was not censored on Thai TV. It does go to show, that Thais are not as gullible as we think - even they are questioning the plausibility of aspects of this case. *hats off to them...

*See, the majority of Thais are decent people.

Originally Posted by NZdick1983

^ Hi Koman, it sounds like you are becoming more skeptical than your original post.

I am surprised the news report above (hoe demonstration) was not censored on Thai TV. It does go to show, that Thais are not as gullible as we think - even they are questioning the plausibility of aspects of this case. *hats off to them...

*See, the majority of Thais are decent people.

Indeed. However I would not at all be surprised if this is being led for them by a certain contingent who back the group that were forcibly ousted not too long ago. After so many public endorsements by the junta about this, it is bloodying their nose significantly.

Still find this amusing - David and the Dwarfs. All of the marks on him look like a standing fist fight yet these guys would have to be jumping in the air each time they are hitting him?



Highly plausible

Originally Posted by NZdick1983

^ Hi Koman, it sounds like you are becoming more skeptical than your original post.

I am surprised the news report above (hoe demonstration) was not censored on Thai TV. It does go to show, that Thais are not as gullible as we think - even they are questioning the plausibility of aspects of this case. *hats off to them...

*See, the majority of Thais are decent people.

I've tried to be fairly neutral since day one but I'm quite familiar with the operations of the BIB having watched them at work on a few local cases.

I don't know what happened other than what's been reported, and I don't claim to know who the real murders are. Others claim to know all kinds of things without a shred of well authenticated and accurate information or evidence, but I was never given a crystal ball or the gift of clairvoyance, so until a really convincing case is presented, I reserve judgement. I don't happen to think something is evidence because people are talking about it on Facebook.

If the BIB had been more consistent in their statements, and maybe introduced some outside observers to authenticate the "evidence", a lot of things would be much less doubtful. Nobody would describe the investigations as textbook police work.

The constant stream of mindless Xenophobia and bullshit spouted on these forums is neither informative or helpful, but I suppose we have to live with it.. I really don't know what makes some people think their own personal experience with Thailand and Thai people (real or imagined) has to apply to everybody else.

OOPS

Drowning of Belgian Man off Koh Tao Adds to Alarm About Safety of Thailand's Tourists

PHUKET: Fresh tragedy struck the holiday islands of Thailand today when a tourist from Belgium plunged to his death from a boat.

Police investigators are now trying to determine whether the man fell or was pushed and why he was not wearing a life jacket, as tourists are required by law to do.



The vessel, carrying about 30 passengers, was travelling to Koh Phangan from the smaller island of Koh Tao, where the vicious murder of British tourists Hannah Witheridge and David Miller has captured international attention since September 15.

Police from Phangan are investigating the circumstances of the manner in which the crew of the vessel, the Seatran Discovery, turned around and pulled the man from the sea. Life jackets are compulsory.

Colonel Prachoom Rungtong, Superintendent of Phangan Police Station, said that the man, aged 26, was spotted leaning over the rear of the vessel, photographing the propeller, before he fell.

''It's unclear whether his mental state has any bearing on what happened,'' the colonel said. ''We will be asking the captain why there was no safety vest and why he wasn't pulled alive from the sea.''

The investigation into the Belgian man's death comes amid growing concern about the safety and security of tourists in Thailand, following the murders on Koh Tao.

A suggestion that tourists wear wristbands, made recently by the Tourism and Sports minister, probably would not have helped. A life vest, however, might have saved his life.

Phuketwan has been given the man's name but will not identify him until we can be sure his family has been notified.

His body was taken to Koh Phangan Hospital.

Drowning of Belgian Man off Koh Tao Adds to Alarm About Safety of Thailand's Tourists - Phuket Wan

^ I'm with you, mate (Koman) Sounds reasonable to me.

I don't mind those guys pointing out the faults of the Thais (or any other race of people for that matter) but I just wish they would qualify their statements by using the word "most" Thais are blah blah, rather than saying all of them..

E.g, "most Thais are jealous by nature", even the Thais themselves will admit that... no secret there ey? but not every single Thai is jealous by nature... hmmm that's just dumb, not to mention impossible.

I feel sorry for some of you guys that have Thai wives, etc.. must take offense sometimes.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Wide speculation that Hannah was roofied, yet no toxicology report released as this would no doubt throw the spot light back on AC bar. Hannah drugged, taken to beach and raped, David follows to see if she is OK and killed. After rape, kill her too. No evidence that they went to the beach together after all and the CCTV was not released at the time when she would be going to the beach. What did it show and who was she with?

This scenario is not supported by the evidence. There was her DNA on the outside of condom, but no sperm inside. It seems that they were disturbed during the act.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

There was her DNA on the outside of condom, but no sperm inside. It seems that they were disturbed during the act.

There was no DNA on the condom from anyone else though, so you are dismissing my speculation by speculating that the condom came from David then without a shred of evidence to point towards that?