Thread: Suthep threatens to 'shut down' Bangkok afer New Year holidays

Originally Posted by Malcom

Translation is spot on, actually. And he used the term farang in his sentence, not foreign election overseers.

His remarks are as follows:

ผมไม่นับถือฝรั่งก็แล้วกัน ผมไม่เห็นว่าฝรั่งจะดีกว่าคนไทย อย่าเอาฝรั่งมาข่มคนไทย source

The term ก็แล้วกัน self contains the first sentence from the rest of the piece.

But they probably just looks like squiggly lines to you.

Fair enough, yes they do look like squiggly lines to me so if you're fluent in written Thai I'll take your word for it.

But still, I don't see how those comments and the context should be interpreted as anti-falang sentiment in general today, or that we should have anything to worry about.

So, should be be worried if Suthep has his way? If so, why?

Anyway back to the topic, the Bangkok shut down doesn't seem to be going too well, according to Al Jazeera. They may or may not have a pro - Thaksin agenda (I know he has some arab friends), but the report they are running is totally dismissive.

In an in depth report, they were basically saying he has to shut off electricity, water, public transport, etc, to shut down Bangkok, and that all these protests are doing is causing traffic jams. They were projecting a very anti - Suthep vibe, and basically declaring the whole thing a flop.


Thai protesters launch Bangkok 'shutdown' - Asia-Pacific - Al Jazeera English

เมื่อถามวา กลไกการตรวจสอบความสุจริตในการเลือกตั้งของบานเราถือ วามี ประสิทธิภาพ มีคุณภาพเพียงพอที่จะควบคุมดูแลใหทุกอยางเป็นไปโดยบร ิสุทธิ์ ยุติธรรมหรือไม นายสุเทพ กลาววา “ ผมไมนับถือฝรั่งก็แลวกัน ผมไมเห็นวาฝรั่ง จะดีกวาคนไทย อยาเอาฝรั่งมาขมคนไทย ผมคิดวาที่เรามี กกต.อยูก็ดีแลว ดูแล ใหกกต.ทํางานไดเต็มที่ ถาตองการเสริมมาชวยเป็นหูเป็นตาใหกกต.หรือมา ตรวจสอบกกต.และนักการเมืองอีกชั้นหนึ่งก็ระดมความคิด จากคนไทยได ทั้ง จากสื่อมวลชน คณาอาจารยมหาวิทยาลัย ตัวแทนภาคเอกชน ภาคธุรกิจ นิสิต นักศึกษาก็สามารถทําได ไอภูมิปัญญาชนิดที่วามีอะไรก็วิ่งไปซูฮกฝรั่งนี่อยาเ อา มาโฆษณาอีก”

Thai Rath.

The full paragraph.


It is about foreign observers of the election, he says thailand has enough controls in place to guarantee a fair and corrupt free process etc.etc.etc. and that he has no respect for falangs, they are no better than thais and so dont bring foreigners in to boss us about.

Originally Posted by 9999

So, should be be worried if Suthep has his way? If so, why?

Yes, but not because of his feelings towards Westerners having a voice in Thailand, because it will lead to a very bloody civil war.

Thai peasants don't like what they feel is legally and rightfully theirs (a government they have democratically elected at each election for more than a decade) being wrongfully ousted by the rich elite so they can continue to shit on them and rule their lives forever. More or less.

I have just spent an hour walking around the asok shutdown, it is interesting to compare it with my hour at the red shutdown three years ago.

Today, the food was better, the women much much prettier, and the speeches louder, but the carnival atmosphere was much the same, with singing, rousing speeches and cheering.

They seem well organised, with no shortage of nasty looking blokes with sunglasses and "guard" badges mingling in the crowd and on the still open overpass. Some of them were wearing cowbow style bandit face masks. There was a middle aged falang cheerleader type on stage giving it raised fist salutes along to the speech.

Tents and sleeping protesters now occupy the fast lane of sukhumvit road, and the main body of the protestors stretch back along asok past soi cowboy for about 250 metres towards phetburi road. Hard to estimate numbers, probably about five thousand, but more were arriving all the time I was there.

There is a road block at soi 20, and cars are being turned back from there through the u turn. Some traffic is being allowed a right turn into rachadapisek towards the exhibition centre.

Not one policeman was seen, normally that area is well policed.

Originally Posted by 9999

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

one kinda presumes that others had read the background info before they start spurting off the Thai propaganda one way or another; that is what a western education is supposed to be about...

If you're interpreting me as defending Suthep and his cause, certainly not. I'm just saying I don't things falangs has much to worry about either way.

I do recall Suthep lashing out about foreign election overseers a few years back, but not the exact words. Malcom has tried to twist what Suthep said then into him being anti-falang, which, apart from that one comment, which was in the context of 'falang' election monitors, not falangs in general, I see no reason to think we'd be any better or worse off as falangs in Thailand either way. Perhaps indirect repercussions, but I'm certainly not aware of any anti falang sentiment from either camp.

Is there anything else that Suthep has said or done that indicates he hates falangs and we should have something to worry about?

As for the wikileaks thing, that was news to me, probably coz I live here and don't go around discussing that stuff, either with Thais or other falangs. Please pardon my ignorance, but I don't see how that, or even Suthep's comment in 2011 re: election monitors, should be assumed knowledge in order to participate in this thread.

I met the man several years ago and we had a chat about buying land in Thailand. He said best way was to use a thai company with nominees.

My own obervation was of actually quite a normal, albeit reserved, individual.

Pictures from today, 13/01/2014 here:

https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...-pictures.html (Bangkok Protests 13th January 2014 - In Pictures)

Originally Posted by 9999

Is there anything else that Suthep has said or done that indicates he hates falangs and we should have something to worry about?

He has made many such comments over the years, and no I'm not gonna go and source them; I doubt he is any different from most of the others in that regard, on all sides, the majority seem to be arrogant and love to blow the nationalist trumpet. It's especially a PADite thing, but all sides have been known to play that game...

Suthep is just another mafia boss, such as your Newins and Banharns. This is not really the issue, as it's just a game to all of them, they switch sides/voices as and when it suits, they have zero ideology or ethical/moral standards. The important point is what they're trying to do: an unelected minority are using illegal means that includes violence and intimidation to block a national election. Further, their intention is to remove the voting system and replace it with a system where this minority can appoint their friends and cohorts to positions of power with no mandate from the populous. The army constitution already went a long way down this route, illegally, now they are planning to go even further. The fact that they didn't bother when they were the government, along with the fact that they have no chance of winning the election goes a long way to explaining their motivation. The fact that some stupid gents on this forum are unable to connect the dots, and choose to support this reknowned criminal and gangster, the most corrupt of the corrupt, is quite baffling. Well, it's not baffling, some people are just plain stupid...

Didymium see the Farang on tele at 5.30 being interviewed, way to go if you walk into the crowd you will be on Tele.
Drunk Farang was asked for his view and answered " I have never seen anything like this,great is,nt it, I'm from Manchester"
Then the programmer interpreted his words for ages, did The programmer say this is a pissed up Farang and don,t take any notice of him.

those security guards all look like criminals, are we sure they are not reds ?

Security at all these events is paid for. All the motorcycle taxi guys from my area have signed up. Last time the same guys signed up for the reds. They dont give a fuck about politics, they're just there for the cash.

Originally Posted by Gerbil

They dont give a fuck about politics, they're just there for the cash.

Sounds like the voters the protesters are complaining about; they just want a little cash for their votes and do really give a crap about politics.

Originally Posted by P Kupic

Originally Posted by Gerbil

They dont give a fuck about politics, they're just there for the cash.

Sounds like the voters the protesters are complaining about; they just want a little cash for their votes and do really give a crap about politics.

Oh the irony

^of suthep's anti-corruption movement paying protesters - that irony?

^Honestly Betty - no disrespect, but mostly your posts/threads are about goats/orange things/cans of tuna and other "light" things. This issue has shown you are a very politically biased person.

Sorry.

[quote=wasabi;2667351]Drunk Farang was asked for his view and answered " I have never seen anything like this,great is,nt it, I'm from Manchester"
[quote]Albert?

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

The fact that some stupid gents on this forum are unable to connect the dots, and choose to support this reknowned criminal and gangster, the most corrupt of the corrupt, is quite baffling. Well, it's not baffling, some people are just plain stupid...

Plain stupid has to be it...But we must forgive them...They know not what they do...It must be a sexual thing...Someone wants to sit on Suthep's face...

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

This issue has shown you are a very politically biased person.

As are you...
I am too.
Most everyone that contributes along these related subject matters will be bias in some manner or another.

What's your point?

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

^Honestly Betty - no disrespect, but mostly your posts/threads are about goats/orange things/cans of tuna and other "light" things. This issue has shown you are a very politically biased person.

Sorry.

No problem, Albert, we're all entitled to our views.

It's good that you spend the time putting the picture thread together, adds an important element to the coverage.

As for my political stance... Well, I've studied, published and teach critical discourse and critical stylistics, aswellas working at places like Chula for the last 7 or 8 years, editing their magazines and articles, books on culture, teaching tour guiding (which means I physically have to research and visit many sites time after time, year after year), visiting historic sights such as Sukhotai and Ayutthya with the country's leading history professors, etc. Yes, I like to relax and post exciting things such as goats, but I feel that I also have decent experience and knowledge about the current situation in Bangkok. With all due respect, Albert, you seem to be very easily led by the framed discourse and conventions. I suspect, a few years from now, you'll see things quite differently. In the meantime, keep away from those nasty looking guards who are likely from Nakhon Si Thammarat (hitman central of Thailand!).

Good stuff from Stickman:

The Bangkok Shutdown!

The Bangkok Shutdown, Night Time Report

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

^of suthep's anti-corruption movement paying protesters - that irony?

No, the irony of two corrupt groups standing face to face claiming the other one is corrupt.

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Quote: Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier View Post This issue has shown you are a very politically biased person. As are you... I am too. Most everyone that contributes along these related subject matters will be bias in some manner or another. What's your point?

I know what you're getting at with that, but personally I'm remaining neutral and simply reporting what I see.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

No problem, Albert, we're all entitled to our views. It's good that you spend the time putting the picture thread together, adds an important element to the coverage. As for my political stance... Well, I've studied, published and teach critical discourse and critical stylistics, aswellas working at places like Chula for the last 7 or 8 years, editing their magazines and articles, books on culture, teaching tour guiding (which means I physically have to research and visit many sites time after time, year after year), visiting historic sights such as Sukhotai and Ayutthya with the country's leading history professors, etc. Yes, I like to relax and post exciting things such as goats, but I feel that I also have decent experience and knowledge about the current situation in Bangkok. With all due respect, Albert, you seem to be very easily led by the framed discourse and conventions. I suspect, a few years from now, you'll see things quite differently. In the meantime, keep away from those nasty looking guards who are likely from Nakhon Si Thammarat (hitman central of Thailand!).

So you're a TEFLr?

Seriously, I can see that you will have been prior to plenty of knowledge and history with that experience. For sure.

You say I'm led by a framed discourse. I don't watch TV or read Thai.

My simple observations are made by what I've seen and the conversations I've had with the people I lived with in Khlong Toei for 8 or so years.

The only thing that niggles me is the

"Rural Poor Vs Bangkok Elite" Mantra bollocks.

More like Rural pawns v Bangkok pawns......

Get rid of them and the real battle lies between the bigger pieces on the back row......

Originally Posted by Bobcock

More like Rural pawns v Bangkok pawns......

Get rid of them and the real battle lies between the bigger pieces on the back row......

How much are these pawns getting paid per day? I've heard as much a 500 THB + food/water.

Seem overpaid to me...