Thread: Abhisit Vejjajiva : Former Thai PM to face murder charge

Legal action against Suthep, Abhisit to go ahead
November 12, 2013

Public prosecutors have confirmed that legal action against Suthep and Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva would continue as planned.

Neither the street protests nor Suthep's resignation from the legislature would have any bearing on prosecution related to the 2010 political mayhem, prosecution spokesman Nantasak Poonsuk said.

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Good.

Nut, it's just political, trying to put pressure on them for MrT's return. They will never be prosecuted...

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

Abhisit & co seem to be standing firm on this issue despite the possiblity of a quick exit to their problem via reconcilliation/amnesty.

Thaksin also believes he will come out of this battle smelling of roses whilst in reality it's more likely to be the aroma of toast.

I would liken it to the smell of shite personally.

They are all the same... Actually, the unelected ones are worse, but it's the system, the patronage system held in place by the PADites and their ilk that is the problem. But, that won't last forever...

Look's like the majority of Thai people are starting to wake-up.
Governance with majority & impunity.
Think again Yingluck.

Things will change, however slowly but things will change.

Only when "The man in Dubai' WANTS it to.

The man in Dubai has very little to do with real change here; he is just another one in a long line of his sorts - the social structure needs to change. & it will, soon.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

The man in Dubai has very little to do with real change here

Kachink. The 'men' in Bangkok, even less so. But Thailand is certainly not alone in being an oligarchy.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

The man in Dubai has very little to do with real change here

Kachink. The 'men' in Bangkok, even less so. But Thailand is certainly not alone in being an oligarchy.

Yes....and according to the classics ...what eventually follows on from an oligarchy ?
It's inevitable ..................only a matter of time. Once pandoras box has been opened there's no putting a lid on it. Many have tried and sometimes a lot of blood has been spilt but in the end oligarchy outlives its time.

^ Its the other way round, democracies tend to be come oligarchies and remain so. its why there is a large scale failure of so called democracies around the world. They all serve their own special interests.

Look up the iron law of oligarchy.

It exists as there is a fundmental flaw in the voting system, you cannot vote none of the above in any meaningful sense any where in the world, if this comes to fruition, which i believe it will in the uk in the next 10 years or so, this will become the game changer otherwise all voting does is changed the flavour of the water from a posioned well.

Pick a pebble from the bag...

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

The man in Dubai has very little to do with real change here; he is just another one in a long line of his sorts - the social structure needs to change. & it will, soon.

real change will happens when a certain event happens here

shouldn't be long now,

the change might actually be worse than the current system btw,

Was wondering if Suthep can now be jailed rhetorical of course bun technically yes?

There are major rallies held for various purposes by Red Shirts in different parts of the country from time to time. Most get very little press. Virtually none make it on TV. Clearly, the media wants the citizenry to believe that the situation in Bangkok is representative of the entire country. It's not. But many people are buying it, anyway. A majority of media outlets is essentially cheering it all on.

Originally Posted by gaysexbyproxy

There are major rallies held for various purposes by Red Shirts in different parts of the country from time to time. Most get very little press. Virtually none make it on TV. Clearly, the media wants the citizenry to believe that the situation in Bangkok is representative of the entire country. It's not. But many people are buying it, anyway. A majority of media outlets is essentially cheering it all on.

The red shirts dont represent the country by a long shot either. They are just a noisy minority trying to make believe that they are, many people buy into that.

Originally Posted by longway

The red shirts dont represent the country by a long shot either. They are just a noisy minority trying to make believe that they are, many people buy into that.

Election results, and their numbers, over many years now, suggest that your above statement is wrong.

It's difficult to gauge exact numbers, but yellowshirters are less than 5% of the population. Red shirters are around 50% of the population. a 10:1 ratio in favour of the red shirters is a realistic number imho. There is probably about 20% of the population that really don't care either way and wouldn't support either group. And about 20% of the population that generally support the dems - most of these in the South, but areas of Bkk too.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Originally Posted by longway

The red shirts dont represent the country by a long shot either. They are just a noisy minority trying to make believe that they are, many people buy into that.

Election results, and their numbers, over many years now, suggest that your above statement is wrong.

It's difficult to gauge exact numbers, but yellowshirters are less than 5% of the population. Red shirters are around 50% of the population. a 10:1 ratio in favour of the red shirters is a realistic number imho. There is probably about 20% of the population that really don't care either way and wouldn't support either group. And about 20% of the population that generally support the dems - most of these in the South, but areas of Bkk too.

Where do you get the idea that 50% are red shirts? I suppose you think anyone who voted for the PT is a red shirt?

You have fallen for the BS. The choice is not limited between red and yellow, but the reds try to make it seem that way and try to make themsleves out to be the people`s choice, they are far from it.

In the only nationwide survey I have ever seen in late 2010 7% of the population strongly identified themselves as red shrts and another 7% as sympathetic, something like that.

Self identified yellow shirts came in total to about 10% in these 2 categories.

75%, the vast majority dont identify with either.

If the reds were actually 50% why dont the UDD (their largest grouping) form a party and participate in an election? They are good at lecturing about democracy, but dont use it to elect their leaders or have the guts to actually participate in democracy as themsleves, with one exeption all red shirt MPS are from the PT party list AFAIK.

As it stands they have to cling to the PT who have fcked up the one good chance to get the grass roots reds out of jail, they dont even have enough clout in the PT to manage that.

They are compromised and sacrifce all principles for political expediency as they are so weak. They want to claim that they are beyond thaksin and for democracy but their actions always portray something else, its not that they necessarily want it that way but thats what they end up doing everytime.

I am talking about people who vote for Thaksin. That part of the electorate is 50% or so.

The red shirts were, at one time, basically Thaksin supporters; made up of various sub-groups. That is still the case to a large extent, although they also have divisions, like any group. The clarity of this point can be seen by the lack of support for Newin in recent elections. For example, some prominent groups in the red shirts want the release of the protesters and for Abhisit, Suthep and others to be prosecuted. Other groups wan Thaksin back as their primary goal. But, to a significant extent, the red shirts can be considered Thaksin supporters - that's who they ALL vote for. And, to a certain extent, all Thaksin supporters/voters will associate themselves with core redshirt philosophies (i.e. to support Thaksin and 'fight' coup appointed dems, etc) - it's obviously one tactic of the dems/PAD and their media to portray these groups as widely disparate, but that simply isn't true.

If Bangkok Post were to do a survey in Bkk when the reds were in Bkk then I'm sure they could find a vote of 7%/14% or so... I'm not surprised certain folks follow these figures...

Your post, typically PADesque, at one time lumps the reds in with Thaksin, at other times considers them an entirely separate entity, according to what's most convenient for your anti-Thaksin discourse at that moment...

How many Thais are there as a number of of the voting population? 30 million? How many red shirts were clearly visible around the nation at the height of the red shirt protests? Certainly more than 7% of the electorate... How many yellow shirts have ever been visible around the nation at one time? Certainly less than 1%. Sometimes they gain numbers by adding dem supporters, but even then the numbers are still a fraction of the red shirt numbers (less than 10%...). The Bangkok media would like to portray the masses as not being Thaksin and/or red shirt supporters, they like to portray the PAD as having similar or equal numbers to the red shirts, but this is propaganda from the PAD/dem controlled media and simply untrue... Your email follows that line. It is wrong.

Longways what is a red Shirt?

So the Asia Foundation had a survey of 1500 people, whereas the population is 68 million, the whole report as in link is based on info from a tiny percentage of Thai people?

could you provide proof of statement below

Do you know most MPs and ministers of the PT detest the reds? thats some irony right there.