"Let Them Die"

**AjarnJonesy** · 23-11-2011, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by billy the kid

not sure that one can practice compassion
you either have it or you don't
does compassion have a price on it's head ?
are we afraid to get involved ?
what's in it for me ?
without compassion have we lost the plot ?

watched a movie '7 years in Tibet' Brad Pitt. <approx 1944>
in the movie they wanted to build a movie house
when digging for the foundations all work was stopped
tools were downed because they had disturbed some worms in the ground.
and believing that these worms could possibly be reincarnations of relatives
they decided that to continue, they would carefully rescue all worms and
place them lovingly in a safe plot of land.
and continued to build their movie-house.
and everybody lived happily ever after
until that is , the Chinese invaded.

unfortunately the decline of both Christian *morals* and Secular *morals* can be easily tracked over the past 50-60 years.. Looking at the way we embrace the "if it feels good do it" mentality you can really start to see a trend.. It would take pages to describe the problems we have here in this country and yes I agree it is screwed up. However the thing is that most of the issues can be tracked back to a departure from the religious morals the country was founded on.. (yes I've heard all the arguments around that and the men who were part of it) To me that lays out an incredible precedence...... Well that is another discussion... Lets just say that the large part of our countries problems is that we no longer hold people accountable for themselves

**Sailing into trouble** · 24-11-2011, 01:37 PM

Do you think that we are being nieve in the west? All around the middle east we are seeing people firing to bring about social reform. .We are seeing many sit ins of the 99% of the unwashed starting to flex their power. America and much of Europe are dam near bankrupt.

So China a communist country is doing great. 99% of the western population are clear that democracy does not work? Are we seeing the Start of the end of the Democracy moment in the world?

WON't happen soon, I' ll be Sailing or Selling beer in the Mrs Thai Pie shop, but I wonder?

**sabang** · 24-11-2011, 02:22 PM

You can neither privatise or socialise compassion- it belongs at the individual, family or perhaps local community level. As our 'intimate circle' has shrunk from extended family & local community (often bonded by a church congregation) to a small nuclear family, often with both parents working, and a bunch of basically casual friends generally met through the workplace, so has our compassion level outside of this intimate circle. Things such as aged care are subcontracted to the government, or 'for profit' private rest homes. Taking care of the local community is contracted to government agencies rather than local people and communities, and thus depersonalised and removed from local responsibility. Even child care is subcontracted to agencies or companies, while mommy goes to work to earn money to pay the mortgage in a cash dependant society. Grandma can't help because she's in a Rest home.

It is a social model that most Asian people find repulsive.

**Boon Mee** · 24-11-2011, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

It is a social model that most Asians find repulsive.

That's right.

Here in Thailand the old folks still get cared for by the family.

Much better social model than the West.

**billy the kid** · 24-11-2011, 07:10 PM

we are asked to worship some guy nailed up on a cross
who has been whipped and lashed so brutally
and that he died for our 'sins'.
and we have to show Compassion.
now can someone explain to me in common language
what i or my brother, sister did, for this guy to deserve such outrageous punishment.
and why blame me ?
is someone trying to bullshit me ?
i already know the answer.

**billy the kid** · 24-11-2011, 07:15 PM

yes but in thailand
when folk get more money
the same thing will happen to the old people
people want their own space and
to live in the city.
few want the responsibility
of caring for old folk and their needs.

**billy the kid** · 25-11-2011, 12:11 AM

there is some link between the Cross and Compassion.
some of uss have heard comments like
' well jesus suffered, what's your gripe'
kids are made aware of the 'sin' we are supposedly born with
guilt or shame follows
but if you lead a 'good' life you will go to heaven.
and so begins the struggle to conform and then the conflict that creates throughout life. which has been going on for 1500 years or so and all our ancesters went with that.
the comparison with the suffering on the Cross and the suffering around us seems to have a numbing effect and maybe gradually put normal suffering as something petty compared to what Jesus suffered.
our minds have been occupied with this life-long conflict with the promise of Heaven at the end of it all.
so we have Fear to contend with.
of course you may not be aware of it now but it is there.
looks to me that a motivation,, 'this will help me get to Heaven'
or perhaps some other reward or you have an i.o.u. is a requirement to help another or animal.
'To Be' Compassionate.
Do you need to think about it or do it without a thought.
if you say, 'i will Love' : it is nonsense.
same same, 'i will have Compassion'. requires thought !!
Love and Compassion are the same thing.

**billy the kid** · 25-11-2011, 12:18 AM

the people who shout " Let them die"
are the very people who need to 'die
psychologically' to their own silly religio past.

Compassion is the mark of being Human.

**GooMaiRoo** · 26-11-2011, 11:17 AM

A emotional plague has engiulfed approximately one quarter of the American population. While the Republican Right tends to be white, middle-class and educated, their capacity for critical thought has completely deserted them. Reactionary opinions from talk show charlatans just roll around their brain pans only to be spewed out to anyone who will listen. That's why they all sound so predictable, like second-rate Rush Limbaughs or Glen Becks.

America's white middle class has been dying for over 30 years. Many of these economically distressed and dysfunctional families have embraced some twisted form of Republican Christianity because it allows them to vent their anger and maintain a thin veneer of conscience at the same time.

But the Republican Right's pitchforks are always pointed at those beneath them - minorities, immigrants, the imprisoned, the poor, etc.. If you mention the biggest welfare cheats of all, Wall Steet, you'll probably get a cliche response about how the rich pay most of the taxes. It's almost rises to the level of pathology, a modern-day Stockholm Syndrome on a mass scale.

If you need to talk to one of these people (not recommended), just ask him/her why the most conservative member of Congress Ron Paul wants to rein in Wall Street and the military-industrial complex. They will typically short-circuit and be unable to give a coherent opinion of Rep. Paul. In their world of black-and-white, a cognitive distortion that can only see good conservatives battling evil liberals, Ron Paul just doesn't compute. Not that Ron Paul has all of the answers, but bringing up his name can quickly expose a Republican rightwinger's intellectual bankruptcy.

**billy the kid** · 26-11-2011, 07:08 PM

Let's face it guys an dolls
compassion is pretty much fooking dead.

you may not agree that compassion and love are the same thing but
you can't have one without the other.

**Mid** · 27-11-2011, 04:52 AM

^

brutal honesty so early in the morn

**hazz** · 27-11-2011, 09:55 AM

^^Love is a rather diffuse and complex concept, the only person I have come across who demonstrably understood this mess was cs lewis in his book the four loves. There was much more to this gent than just the books of narnia.

**billy the kid** · 27-11-2011, 08:00 PM

guess the test is
can you be compassionate
when nobody's looking.

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