Thousands to occupy Wall Street in protest

**The Ghost Of The Moog** · 04-10-2011, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

^Awards pitches.

or is it that time of the year already ? how many pages do they need to buy to get one of those awards ?

None, because I make the call, and I don't get a cent of any of the ad revenue or table sales. Its a disgrace. I should be on kickbacks left right and centre, but they somehow think I am incorruptible (not true). They also assume I am getting a piece of the revenue action, so its even worse.

Goldmans are a bit of a different kettle of fish, for exactly as Robuzo says, they want to be fluffed, but then when you do that, they hate you for it.

**Hampsha** · 05-10-2011, 07:26 AM

Seems to be man (the American workers) against the machine (the financial war machine of corporations)

Glad to see that people back in my little state of New Hampshire are getting involved. It's still spreading by the minute. It's bring all sorts of people with different ideas and political views together.

No matter what people are complaining about at all these protests the bottom line seems to be people have lost control over their choices and feel victimized by the big corporations. They want their voices back and they want people not corporations to decide the nation's direction. The want people first, not business. They want the focus to be on America, not foreign nations. Everyone knows something isn't right about the way things are these days. They want that fixed. I think they really represent a lot of people out there. Many people won't publicly support the cause for fear of the corporations they work for. Americans have become way to submissive to their employers but what can you do you need that job. Just because people aren't quitting work for a day doesn't mean they don't support this.

There's supposed to be a walkout at universities in the US on Wednesday.

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Here's a list of some colleges that will have walkouts

1. Champlain College–will be meeting in Hauke Courtyard
2. College of New Jersey
3. University of Maryland–will be meeting at College Park
4. West Mount College
5. Northeastern University
6. Indiana University of Pennsylvania–will be meeting in Oak Grove
7. University of Colorado Boulder–they are set to “maybe”
8. University of Massachusetts Lowell
9. Bradley University
10. Illinois State University–will be meeting up with Bradley University and Occupying at Bloomington Normal Illinois
11. University of Massachusetts Amherst–will be meeting at Amherst Commons
12. University of Florida
13. Adrian College
14. Texas State University San Marcos
15. Duke University
16. Brooklyn College, City University of New York
17. Chapman University
16. Sonoma State University
17. UCLA–will be meeting at Bruins Walk
18. Santa Monica College
19. University of Texas Austin–will be meeting outside tower in South Mall
20. Lone Star College Tomball
21. Montana State–will be meeting in lawn South of Montana Hall
22. Cal State University Northridge
23. Syracuse University
24. Texas Tech–not confirmed, still a “maybe”

The Human Microphone
By the way, some people might wonder why everytime they have a meeting one person speaks then the crowd repeats it. That isn't some sort of cult indoctrination. It's basically a human microphone. It allows people who aren't near the speaker to hear what he is saying. I thought that was creative but then again I have never been involved in a real protest.

**sabang** · 05-10-2011, 07:38 AM

The US is just the most high profile or extreme example of the decay of democracy, or at least western style democracy. The US government no longer represents the US people, it is as simple as that. The democratic process has been hijacked by minorities, and influential 'special interests'. Government operates for the benefit of those few.

Power belongs to the people, and the people need to take the power that belongs to them back. Because nobody is going to give what belongs to you back, voluntarily.

**misskit** · 05-10-2011, 08:03 AM

Looks as though J. P. Morgan bought some protection!

http://www.jpmorganchase.com/corpora...icle/ny-13.htm

There is no date for that donation. I read on another website that the donation was made on the 25th of September this year. Sorry, no link for that info.

**Butterfly** · 05-10-2011, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

None, because I make the call,

why would you want to give GS another award ? they couldn't care less and don't need them, they are the Kings of WallStreet, the Emperors of the Global Financial World

give them to another Asset Manager or Investment Firm that deserve it or needs it,

**The Ghost Of The Moog** · 05-10-2011, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

None, because I make the call,

why would you want to give GS another award ? they couldn't care less and don't need them, they are the Kings of WallStreet, the Emperors of the Global Financial World

give them to another Asset Manager or Investment Firm that deserve it or needs it,

Agreed, they will despise me for giving it to them.

Trouble is, the other firms won't accept me giving it to anyone else, other than themselves or Goldman. Losing to Goldman is sort of an acceptable compromise for all of them but not losing to anyone else.

**BugginOut** · 05-10-2011, 12:00 PM

God ol' dearly missed George telling it liking it is.

**Butterfly** · 05-10-2011, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

Losing to Goldman is sort of an acceptable compromise for all of them but not losing to anyone else.

jesus, what a political mess

**Neo** · 05-10-2011, 07:57 PM

By David Graeber
With No Future Visible, Young Activists Have Few Options but to “Occupy Wall Street”

Is it really surprising that young protesters on Wall Street and around the world would like to have a word with the financial magnates who stole their future?

Why are people occupying Wall Street? Why has the occupation – despite the latest police crackdown – sent out sparks across America, within days, inspiring hundreds of people to send pizzas, money, equipment and, now, to start their own movements called OccupyChicago, OccupyFlorida, in OccupyDenver or OccupyLA?

There are obvious reasons. We are watching the beginnings of the defiant self-assertion of a new generation of Americans, a generation who are looking forward to finishing their education with no jobs, no future, but still saddled with enormous and unforgivable debt.

Most, I found, were of working-class or otherwise modest backgrounds, kids who did exactly what they were told they should: studied, got into college, and are now not just being punished for it, but humiliated – faced with a life of being treated as deadbeats, moral reprobates.
Is it really surprising they would like to have a word with the financial magnates who stole their future?

Just as in Europe, we are seeing the results of colossal social failure. The occupiers are the very sort of people, brimming with ideas, whose energies a healthy society would be marshaling to improve life for everyone. Instead, they are using it to envision ways to bring the whole system down.

But the ultimate failure here is of imagination. What we are witnessing can also be seen as a demand to finally have a conversation we were all supposed to have back in 2008. There was a moment, after the near-collapse of the world’s financial architecture, when anything seemed possible.

Everything we’d been told for the last decade turned out to be a lie. Markets did not run themselves; creators of financial instruments were not infallible geniuses; and debts did not really need to be repaid – in fact, money itself was revealed to be a political instrument, trillions of dollars of which could be whisked in or out of existence overnight if governments or central banks required it. Even the Economist was running headlines like “Capitalism: Was it a Good Idea?”

It seemed the time had come to rethink everything: the very nature of markets, money, debt; to ask what an “economy” is actually for.
This lasted perhaps two weeks. Then, in one of the most colossal failures of nerve in history, we all collectively clapped our hands over our ears and tried to put things back as close as possible to the way they’d been before.

Perhaps, it’s not surprising. It’s becoming increasingly obvious that the real priority of those running the world for the last few decades has not been creating a viable form of capitalism, but rather, convincing us all that the current form of capitalism is the only conceivable economic system, so its flaws are irrelevant. As a result, we’re all sitting around dumbfounded as the whole apparatus falls apart.

What we’ve learned now is that the economic crisis of the 1970s never really went away. It was fobbed off by cheap credit at home and massive plunder abroad – the latter, in the name of the “third world debt crisis”. But the global south fought back. The “alter-globalisation movement”, was in the end, successful: the IMF has been driven out of East Asia and Latin America, just as it is now being driven from the Middle East. As a result, the debt crisis has come home to Europe and North America, replete with the exact same approach: declare a financial crisis, appoint supposedly neutral technocrats to manage it, and then engage in an orgy of plunder in the name of “austerity”.

The form of resistance that has emerged looks remarkably similar to the old global justice movement, too: we see the rejection of old-fashioned party politics, the same embrace of radical diversity, the same emphasis on inventing new forms of democracy from below.

What’s different is largely the target: where in 2000, it was directed at the power of unprecedented new planetary bureaucracies (the WTO, IMF, World Bank, Nafta), institutions with no democratic accountability, which existed only to serve the interests of transnational capital; now, it is at the entire political classes of countries like Greece, Spain and, now, the US – for exactly the same reason. This is why protesters are often hesitant even to issue formal demands, since that might imply recognising the legitimacy of the politicians against whom they are ranged.

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**mobs00** · 05-10-2011, 10:34 PM

Somewhat related.

**LooseBowels** · 06-10-2011, 04:41 AM

I like the idea of an occupation of wall street.
Like the lady said the 99% have had a bellyfull of the the greedy thieving unprincipled bastards causing everyone else problems in their shitfest pursuit of gain and profit.

About time the US electoraate put aside the great american dream propoganda brainwashing and come to reality.

The American Spring has arrived.

**Hampsha** · 06-10-2011, 06:26 AM

A very passionate Ron Paul protestor laying out the way it is at the protests.

**Butterfly** · 06-10-2011, 06:38 AM

I think one of the demands to be credible should be about asking more regulations, and one of them could be to put the personal responsibility of regulators on the table for falling asleep or just being incompetent.

**Sailing into trouble** · 06-10-2011, 07:32 AM

A world that is in turmoil because of the actions of the worlds elite. MAny millions of americans have had their hopes and dreams shattered, yet many more can not let go of the dream that this fanciful pyramidal scheme that has lasted decades holds wealth and with it freedom from the terror of responsibility and fiscal control.

**sabang** · 06-10-2011, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by Neo

We are watching the beginnings of the defiant self-assertion of a new generation of Americans, a generation who are looking forward to finishing their education with no jobs, no future, but still saddled with enormous and unforgivable debt.

Furthermore a generation who's parents were quite likely born the most fortunate in the history of the world. Yet not only did they manage to squander that, but now they don't even want to pay it back- the particular villains here being the already Rich sector of society and Big corporations who, in spite of paying taxes at a rate that is lower than in living memory, in spite of the massive wealth destruction (yet personal enrichment) they were in the middle of and caused, bitterly oppose any attempts to increase their tax rates, increase oversight of financial markets or regulation of business in general, and continually lobby for the dismantling or deterioration of existing government services such as education, infrastructural investment and the social welfare safety net.

A very selfish and irresponsible generation indeed- is it any wonder these people are pissed off? They were shilled.

**FlyFree** · 06-10-2011, 07:41 AM

^^^(Appears to be an active thread) Tinkering at the edges of the system won't save it anymore.

2008 we fell off the cliff, and landed on a ledge. We are about to roll off the ledge.

The whole system will have to change. What will emerge I have no idea, but the days of the non-productive sucking up the product of the productive are over.

The 'workers' of this world have stopped buying the laughable bullshit of continuous growth, filtering down, magical job creation by the super rich through shifting money around unproductively etc.

World wide they will not be satisfied with tinkering at regulations etc. anymore. Interesting times.

**Boon Mee** · 06-10-2011, 08:26 AM

Heh...guess who's been throwing money at these lunatics and their silly protests? Evil George Soros of course...

Why is President Obama Meeting With George Soros, Far-Left Bloggers? - Interviews - The O'Reilly Factor - Fox News

**sabang** · 06-10-2011, 08:38 AM

What kind of delusional world must you live in booner, if you consider a self made billionaire like George Soros to be 'Far Left'.

Why, next thing you'll be calling Obama a Socialist.

**misskit** · 06-10-2011, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Heh...guess who's been throwing money at these lunatics and their silly protests? Evil George Soros

I read the article and I can't find anything that says George Soros is throwing money at the "lunatics and their silly protests."

Please point out where it says he has given them money or give us a link to back up your accusation.

**sabang** · 06-10-2011, 08:52 AM

^ That doesn't matter. Just mention the words "George Soros" to the RW blogosphere, and they cream their pants about far left conspiracies. Not sure how he became so iconic, but I think it was related to his calls for a more 'open society', and warnings about the mounting risks in the financial system. Well, considering that since then we have seen a massive financial crisis and destruction of wealth in the West, and it has turned out that banks were being anything but "Open" about what they were peddling- a common sense person might actually conclude he was being quite prescient. Furthermore that he was in a position to be pretty familiar with what was going on, too.

So it goes without saying that the Rich and their minions would try to discredit him- otherwise several might end up in jail, where they belong.

I have read his book "The Crisis of Global Capitalism [open society endangered]", first published in 1998. In fact I still keep it in my book case- and it reads like prophecy now. I can assure you, it is anything but a 'far left' tome

. Basically, a successful Hedge fund manager at the top of his game was warning about what was going wrong with financial markets, their risk and lack of governance, as well as the increasing lack of openness and accountability in our society in general- benefitting, of course, the already Rich (of which he was one). Damn was he right- but several other people, such as Warren Buffet, were saying the same thing too. So of course, those who have the most to lose have a vested interest in discrediting him, and the usual sheeple swallow it whole.

I wonder how many of these sheeple have actually read his book though?

**mobs00** · 06-10-2011, 10:05 AM

The revolution begins at home - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

Arun Gupta Last Modified: 04 Oct 2011 09:28

What is occurring on Wall Street right now is truly remarkable. For more than two weeks, in the sanctum of the great cathedral of global capitalism, the dispossessed have liberated territory from the financial overlords and their police army.

They have created a unique opportunity to shift the tides of history in the tradition of other great peaceful occupations from the sit-down strikes of the 1930s to the lunch-counter sit-ins of the 1960s to the democratic uprisings across the Arab world and Europe today.

While the Wall Street occupation is growing, it needs an all-out commitment from everyone who cheered the Egyptians in Tahrir Square, said “We are all Wisconsin”, and stood in solidarity with the Greeks and Spaniards. This is a movement for anyone who lacks a job, housing or healthcare, or thinks they have no future.

Our system is broken at every level. More than 25 million Americans are unemployed. More than 50 million live without health insurance. And perhaps 100 million Americans are mired in poverty, using realistic measures. Yet the fat cats continue to get tax breaks and reap billions while politicians compete to turn the austerity screws on all of us.

More at link above

**mobs00** · 06-10-2011, 10:07 AM

Powerful unions join Wall Street protests - Americas - Al Jazeera English

Last Modified: 05 Oct 2011 21:31

A diverse group of powerful unions has joined demonstrations in New York's financial district, lending some focus, credibility and potentially hundreds of participants to a movement that began with a few university students.

The "Occupy Wall Street" protest movement, which began three weeks ago in New York's financial hub, was joined on Wednesday by a dozen US labour unions.

Among those who joined the clamour were members of the Chinatown Tenants Union and the Transit Workers Union, the liberal group MoveOn.org, and community organisations such as the Working Families Party and United NY.

The groups will embark on a march starting at Foley Square in lower Manhattan, an area encircled by courthouses.

Organisers say the marchers will then head to Zuccotti Park, the unofficial headquarters where protesters have been camped out in sleeping bags. It is unclear how many people will be joining the march, but some organisers said thousands could show up.

"We're really excited that labour is part of the protest,'' said Sara Niccoli, a spokeswoman for the Labour-Religion Coalition, an Albany, New York-based organisation that aims to "do justice" for workers.

Al Jazeera's Cath Turner, reporting from the scene of the rally, said protest organisers are "ecstatic that more groups are starting to take hold" of the movement.

The organisers feel their reach and appeal is expanding, she said.

More at link above

**robuzo** · 06-10-2011, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

Originally Posted by robuzo

Ah, "building wealth," is that what Goldman does? Next you'll be telling us they are "job creators."

Building wealth for themselves personally. I assumed people were able to read between the lines at my earlier remark.

If you had said "getting rich" I wouldn't have misunderstood. "Building wealth" like "job creator" is a loaded phrase. Building wealth is what finance is supposed to enable when it is doing its job properly- providing the means to generate capital (the horse) to fund the business (the cart), and not the other way around. What risks getting lost in the anti-bank rhetoric is that the banks do have a role and capitalism as such is not the problem.

The chart below gets to the root of the problem:

The USSR threw the baby out with the bath when they dismantled their socialist system. The Soviet Communist view of history as an inexorable force leading to an inevitable conclusion is analogous to the "pure capitalist" (Randian) view of the market as self-correcting and self-regulating, and both views are premised on unsound ideological conclusions. I don't believe that the heads of the big banks are any more idealistic or less cynical than the Politburo was about what is really happening, but like the top levels of the Party the corporatists, bankers and judges in the US hide behind ideology to justify their greed; the Party was gangsterism masquerading as political idealism in the USSR, is so in the PRC (and every other communist country) and the banks are nothing better than gangster organizations (organized corruption, cronyism, and parasitism) in the US and Europe now. In both the USSR then and the USA now the result has been ideologically-justified irrational policy accompanied by much suffering. We need to make our system work for us again, because right now it is the other way around, but we don't need to destroy it.

**HermantheGerman** · 06-10-2011, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

The Day of Rage Fizzle Photos:

The moonbat master plan to smash capitalism by occupying Wall Street on a Saturday did not go well. But at least it provided us with a guffaw-inducing gallery of grungy grosslings. Urban Infidel was on the scene, and braved the stench of B.O. and patchouli to bring back multiple videos and photos like these:

Radiating moonbat intellect. The chick don't look too bad...

That's not fair BoonMee. You forgot the before and after pics.
Well here is the before. Laid off Merryl Lynch employee:

I would like to add a smiley...but these two pictures are too sad and true.

**Butterfly** · 06-10-2011, 01:22 PM

jesus, that pic is scary. What were the regulators doing ?

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