Any doubts about Climate Change?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MrG

Now that you have conceded the point that global warming is real and we are the cause, you move on to... Quote:

---

Nah - The climate changes all the time, and though our emissions are perhaps causing the world to get 1 degree warmer faster, no one can tell us if this is really a bad or good thing. Because they don't know. However enter the unscrupulous kunts ....

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MrG

it's the same Wall Street bandits that want to keep everything in place so they can play both ends and make even more money.

---

....like Gore who know nothing about it but, on advice from Ken Lay, know how influence a system to make them megabucks and as such hype it up out of control and refuse to address the one simple question that needs answering,....what is the correct temperature for the earth - I think it is too cold, and we are moving in the right direction perhaps especially as we look to feed more people in the world. more food from warmer climates.

It is amazing though that the climate fear warriors are often bashing what they, int he cool camp, call conspiracy theorists, when in reality, their predicament is exactly the same

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MrG

A trumpet is all we can afford, but a trumpet call is how it starts.

---

oh, and the cause they support they acknowledge that it is hijacked and being raped by the bankers as well, and also that there is nothing that can be done about it and nothing is being done about it.

Being in the "critical thinkers" camp, the whole issue stinks of corruption and the banking fraternity pulling a fast one. Nobody is doing anything other than making a few banking families even more money - the ones who create money and lend it to governments all around the world and carbon tax is the newest method to pay for this. I made this point a few times - clear out these sharks and crooks like gore. Hang them up to dry like the lying pieces of shit they are and then have a proper debate. At the minute though, they are doing you all more harm than good.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by pseudolus

The climate changes all the time, and though our emissions are perhaps causing the world to get 1 degree warmer faster, no one can tell us if this is really a bad or good thing. Because they don't know.

---

Of course they do, Psuedo. Don't be silly. You know they do.
And just now, in your post, you inched off position. Faint and halting, but movement.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MrG

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by pseudolus

The climate changes all the time, and though our emissions are perhaps causing the world to get 1 degree warmer faster, no one can tell us if this is really a bad or good thing. Because they don't know.

---

Of course they do, Psuedo. Don't be silly. You know they do.
And just now, in your post, you inched off position. Faint and halting, but movement.

---

No they can't. If they could, you would be able to answer the simple question ;

What is the correct temperature for the World? (not humans, but the world).

No one knows. But if we were able to grow crops where currently there is permafrost, that is surely a good thing, no? If more water was about, this is a good thing, no?

Alas, the same people who are tax and trade to make billions also own the firms who are deciding that they own Seeds, Water rights...air is next perhaps? Nestle said no one had a right to water. Your campaign is only helping these people and firms - the very same groups you blame for causing it all int he first place especially the energy companies who are cleaning up only on the credits trading front.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by pseudolus

What is the correct temperature for the World? (not humans, but the world).

---

The world (earth) doesn't give a rats ass. It makes temperature. The flora and fauna adapt or die.

Perfect temp for the inhabitants is in the eye of the particular species. Dinosaurs prefer much warmer than now, mastodons much cooler.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Alas, the same people who are tax and trade to make billions also own the firms who are deciding that they own Seeds, Water rights...air is next perhaps? Nestle said no one had a right to water. Your campaign is only helping these people and firms - the very same groups you blame for causing it all int he first place especially the energy companies who are cleaning up only on the credits trading front.

---

All sorts of money to being made via "green" products. Naturally those in the "green" product biz will use climate change as reason folks should buy green products. Gore has emerged as the messiah and is making money as such. Many of his claims have been debunked but folks are still listening. So far he has been an effective salesman for those who stand to gain financially from the "green" revolution. Being an excellent salesman does not mean he is factually correct however.

You underestimate life, it's the force that shaped the planet like no other. At least it was until the arrival of humans. It changed the athmosphere, the climate, it build whole continents out of rocks of organic origin, such as iron band formations or lime stone.

Yes it was warmer when the dinosaurs reigned, by 4 centigrades. The CO2 level was around 1,700 ppm during this era, in case you want to know why. Human civilization arose when it was cooler than now, though, and we shouldn't risk to restore the conditions suitable for large reptilians only.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by pseudolus

What is the correct temperature for the World? (not humans, but the world).

---

I refer you to post 662 in this thread, where you asked the same question after it was answered for you twice in posts 644 and 646.

Either you're losing brain cells like dandruff (check around your keyboard) or you really are an obvious troll. Time for some warm milk and a soft pillow for you, old man.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MrG

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by pseudolus

What is the correct temperature for the World? (not humans, but the world).

---

I refer you to post 662 in this thread, where you asked the same question after it was answered for you twice in posts 644 and 646.

Either you're losing brain cells like dandruff (check around your keyboard) or you really are an obvious troll. Time for some warm milk and a soft pillow for you, old man.

---

Seriously? I think I have already answered you on this one. You believe that you can tell the correct temperature for the world from some nasa charts starting in 1951? So the other billions of years don't count then?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ENT

As temperatures start to lower again, CO2 is once more increasingly absorbed by the oceans reversing the process to form a calcite sea once more,

---

From post 646

Indeed. As we are in a warming cycle, so the reverse is true as well.

There is no right temperature for the world - there is the answer. There is no right temperature for humans either being that we have inhabited the most extremes in both ranges.

You're all being played - and it is bad, because you all have the best of intentions. However, you know as well as I do, nothing can be down about it if it is true. The world will kill us all off in a few thousand years, reset, and start again, and so what? If it is going to happen it will happen and there is basically nothing we can do about it until we confront the people who are fuckign it up, and it is not the industrialists, it is the bankers. Thew ones who are profiting most out of Climate Scam.

With the destruction from the latest tornado in OK being blamed on MMGW, thought we could take a trip back in time to see what tornados were blamed on in the recent past:

1975 : Tornado Outbreaks Blamed On Global Cooling

Perhaps tornados are just an act of G_D?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Perhaps tornados are just an act of G_D?

---

Global cooling lol I still remember how the world froze, the sea levels dropped by a meter, we were all wearing electric blankets as underpants.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Perhaps tornados are just an act of G_D?

---

Right. Just as soon as women are to blame for earthquakes. :rofl:

Women to blame for earthquakes, says Iran cleric

Two interestingly contrasted articles:

Sea Level Could Rise Five Feet in New York City by 2100: Scientific American

Last time CO2 was this high, the world was underwater? NO, actually ? The Register

Climate Change Before And After Pictures - Business Insider


https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2013/05/2341.jpg

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Goodwill

Climate Change Before And After Pictures - Business Insider


https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2013/05/2341.jpg

---

Look a lot nicer on the right. Much easier to sustain life there. Perhaps we are finally heading to the best temperature for human life on earth after all? Getting a bit cool these days though.

^ Can climate change denialists really be that obtuse??? This forum is proof that yes, they can!
https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2013/05/2342.jpg

tonyBKK - Climate Change, not global warming. They dropped globl warming mantra when the erath cooled for 12 successive years. The climate does change though and as we are still coming out of a mini ice age I for one think it is a good thing that we continue in this upwards trend.

The climate gets hotter and colder. Fact. So why do we need to hand criminals like gore and banking families trillions of dollars a year because the climate changes?

(by the way, the polar bear pic and anecdotes used by scam gore was proven to be fake and incorrect).

The fact that climatic conditions have always been and will always be in a state of flux is undeniable.
At this point of time, although the earth is moving towards another ice age while fluctuating between warming and cooling trends, the overarching trend is towards another extinction event.
There is nothing that humanity can do about this, the process has been ongoing for millions of years, as indicated by the aragonite sea phase, a precursor to previouly recorded extinction events.

There is much debate over whether global warming is occurring or not, the debate is a little like arguing over small inconsequentials, like how many flies do indeed make a summer.

In the grand scheme of things, most life forms will be dead by the end of this extinction phase, at least one ice age will have passed by then, several warming and cooling periods will have occurred,the seas will havecrisen and fallen several times, and there is nothing that humanity can do to avert these events.

It's true that industrial and other forms of pollution have exacerbated some negative environmental and climatic conditions, such as increasingly extreme weather patterns, the dying out of several species of life, rising sea levels, increased atmospheric CO2 concentrations and so on, but neither political chicanery, carbon taxes nor any form of attempted human intervention is going to avert the inevitable extinction phase, ice ages, sea rises and climate changes that are ahead of us.

Much of the debate arising around the issue is more to do with political jockeying and financial fiddling based on false information supplied by governments and financial institutions looking to make a fast buck out of peoples fears.

Get over it, face the facts, climate cahange is in processas part ofa massive extinction event.

There's nothing anyone can do about it, except cover their own a@ses.

^ So just ignore the experts and stick your head in the sand because nothing can be done? How convenient and what a cop-out.
https://teakdoor.com/images/smilies1/You_Rock_Emoticon.gif

So what do you and the "experts" you mention think can be done to stop the process?

Ent - this is the old divide and conquer routine yet again. Setting up a never ending debate and argument where people get passionate between the MMGW-mongers and the Climate Change realists is no different to the GOP vs Dems, Lab v Tory or what have you. Its just a stage show hoping that no one will address the reall issue - what the fuck has taxing and carbon trading got to do with fixing anything? Nothing. They elite backing the FEAR of climate change don't give a fuck about it. What they do know is that they will take billions and billions out of the pocket of the world wide tax payers and stuff it into their piggy banks.

Fear worshippers - we give in. we all believe you. Now stop banging on about it and ask your Gores and other criminal con men why they re profitting so much, and why the only actions they want to take concentrate on them making stacks of money and nothing changing.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ENT

The fact that climatic conditions have always been and will always be in a state of flux is undeniable.
At this point of time, although the earth is moving towards another ice age while fluctuating between warming and cooling trends, the overarching trend is towards another extinction event.
There is nothing that humanity can do about this, the process has been ongoing for millions of years, as indicated by the aragonite sea phase, a precursor to previouly recorded extinction events.

There is much debate over whether global warming is occurring or not, the debate is a little like arguing over small inconsequentials, like how many flies do indeed make a summer.

In the grand scheme of things, most life forms will be dead by the end of this extinction phase, at least one ice age will have passed by then, several warming and cooling periods will have occurred,the seas will havecrisen and fallen several times, and there is nothing that humanity can do to avert these events.

It's true that industrial and other forms of pollution have exacerbated some negative environmental and climatic conditions, such as increasingly extreme weather patterns, the dying out of several species of life, rising sea levels, increased atmospheric CO2 concentrations and so on, but neither political chicanery, carbon taxes nor any form of attempted human intervention is going to avert the inevitable extinction phase, ice ages, sea rises and climate changes that are ahead of us.

Much of the debate arising around the issue is more to do with political jockeying and financial fiddling based on false information supplied by governments and financial institutions looking to make a fast buck out of peoples fears.

Get over it, face the facts, climate cahange is in processas part ofa massive extinction event.

There's nothing anyone can do about it, except cover their own a@ses.

---

Why didn't you shorten this post by simply saying 'I'm clueless but I want to speak'?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ENT

So what do you and the "experts" you mention think can be done to stop the process?

---

Dr. Ernest Moniz was sworn in as the new Energy Secretary this week. Last week, the previous Secretary, Dr. Steven Chu, gave an interview to Stanford where he is returning as a physics professor.

The Nobel laureate was asked “What’s the No. 1 problem on your list?” His answer:

Climate change. We’re heading into an era where if we don’t change what we’re doing, we’re going to be fundamentally in really deep trouble. We’re already in trouble.

So we have to transition to better solutions.

We’re not too far away from producing a lot of renewable energy, and doing it cheaply. Solar power is going to become cheaper and cheaper – costs have plummeted three-fold in six years, partly because of the dropping price of modules and electronics. Wind energy is within 15 percent of the cost of new natural gas energy, and the DOE predicts that that cost will cross over within one or two decades, so we need to start to plan the transition system that can conduct more wind energy.

But right now, we’re not prepared. As technology continues to race forward – battery technology has advanced faster in the past five years than what I’ve seen in the [previous] 15 years – we need policy to guide and anticipate development. It takes decades to change things like infrastructure, and so people have to think about that today. Otherwise, progress slows down, and we emit more carbon and get into more trouble environmentally.

Chu On Climate: 'If We Don't Change What We're doing, We're Going To Be Fundamentally In Really Deep Trouble'

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ENT

So what do you and the "experts" you mention think can be done to stop the process?

---

Quote:

---

we need policy to guide and anticipate development

---

I have said it here before,………….Vote!

Vote for what?
The extinction phase we're in is irreversible.

The climate change's effects we're experiencing within that phase may only be protected against by adaptation to or migration away from affected areas.

We can lower CO2 output along with other pollutants to make cleaner environment, but that's the best we can do about our environment.

Air and water quality have deteriorated to the point where most of the world's urban population is suffering from increasing respiratory and metabolic problems.

All this carbon tax nonsense does nothing to stop pollution, it simply shifts the burden of responsibility from one groupto another in a credit trade off that ensures a financial gain for one group over another. There's nothing environmentally friendpy or "green" about it.

None of the politicians waffling on about climate change are in any sense at all "experts" on the matter, they're just doing what they've allways done, fool the public into buying into systems that profit the industrialsts and banks.

The only experts on the matter are scientists, but who's gonna listen to them?

It may be advisable to look at the issue by a respectable site that assess the data without the distraction of having it's hair on fire.

1. Quote:

   ---

   Earth's five mass extinction event.

   ---

   Quote:

   ---

2. There have been five mass extinction events throughout Earth's history:

   ---