Thread: Health Care Passes

Meanwhile, in the real world, we see some more of ObamaCare's Sticker Shock.

Based on a Manhattan Institute analysis of the HHS numbers, Obamacare will increase underlying insurance rates for younger men by an average of 97 to 99 percent, and for younger women by an average of 55 to 62 percent. Worst off is North Carolina, which will see individual-market rates triple for women, and quadruple for men.



The map for females (at the link) is somewhat less red. But it's plenty pink.

For some reason I think most of the people on TD who are against Obama's plan are old people and those for it are mostly younger. I wish the old folks who oppose healthcare could just sign off of all government programs such as medicare and the rest of it. They are total hypocrites.

^^ Bunk data from a poisoned source. Avik Roy wrote this trash he is affiliated with The Manhattan Institute which is affiliated with the front group ALEC. ALEC is a corporate bill mill. It is not just a lobby or a front group; it is much more powerful than that. Through ALEC, corporations hand state legislators their wishlists to benefit their bottom line. Corporations fund almost all of ALEC's operations.

It would appear some Unions are far from pleased with Obamacare Labor Unions: Obamacare Will 'Shatter' Our Health Benefits, Cause 'Nightmare Scenarios' - Forbes

Originally Posted by piwanoi

It would appear some Unions are far from pleased with Obamacare Labor Unions: Obamacare Will 'Shatter' Our Health Benefits, Cause 'Nightmare Scenarios' - Forbes

Indeed.

That's what got Liberals heads exploding yesterday when Ted Cruz read the letter from the Teamsters outlining how 'dissatisfied' they were with this train wreck called Obamacare. The Unions figure (rightly) they were lied to - led down the garden path to get out the vote for this failed community rabble-rouser and now he doesn't need their vote in future, he's basically shit-caned these unions along with the rest of America as well in his misguided quest for that Socialist Utopia.

Reading this article I can fully comprehend why some of the big Unions are far from pleased and are calling Obamacare a "nightmare scenario"Businesses claim Obamacare has forced them to cut employee hours - Investigations

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by piwanoi

It would appear some Unions are far from pleased with Obamacare Labor Unions: Obamacare Will 'Shatter' Our Health Benefits, Cause 'Nightmare Scenarios' - Forbes

Indeed.

That's what got Liberals heads exploding yesterday when Ted Cruz read the letter from the Teamsters outlining how 'dissatisfied' they were with this train wreck called Obamacare. The Unions figure (rightly) they were lied to - led down the garden path to get out the vote for this failed community rabble-rouser and now he doesn't need their vote in future, he's basically shit-caned these unions along with the rest of America as well in his misguided quest for that Socialist Utopia.

On reading further data on Obamacare it would appear you are not far off the mark, but consider this, has it never occurred to you that the Employers and big Unions huge concerns are ill founded and in comparison to some TD experts on the subject they are a bunch of deluded cretins

An interesting and fascinating point of view from Jon Voight

Originally Posted by bsnub

^^ Bunk data from a poisoned source. Avik Roy wrote this trash he is affiliated with The Manhattan Institute which is affiliated with the front group ALEC. ALEC is a corporate bill mill. It is not just a lobby or a front group; it is much more powerful than that. Through ALEC, corporations hand state legislators their wishlists to benefit their bottom line. Corporations fund almost all of ALEC's operations.

Good find, bsnub.

You're a bloodhound.

I am interested in Da Facts.

How much is Obamacare costing?

where does this "funding" go?

I have asked 4 times. 0 responses.

Originally Posted by barbaro

How much is Obamacare costing?

Costing whom...individuals...? Info just coming out. Look it up.

Originally Posted by barbaro

where does this "funding" go?

What "funding"? Payments go to the insurance companies, doctors, clinics, hospitals...who else?

Originally Posted by barbaro

I have looked it up. No answer.

Really...? Turn on a radio to an American station. I couldn't get away from it today.

Originally Posted by barbaro

Insurance companies? Medicare A,B,C,D is bad enough. Doctors? How? Clinics? Hospitals? You have listed 4 different places the "funding" is going.

You pay insurance now, yes? Where does that money go? Primarily to make a lot of insurance and pharmaceutical companies wealthy.

Precisely where or what is this looming catastrophe? Must be a talking point to repeat endlessly, since you already admitted that you have no information about the plan or how it works.

Check this out. Obamacare Navigators won't have to pass background checks before culling your personal data like SS#, health records, sexual activity etc.

Grinding your teeth yet? If not, let Ben Swann tell you more:



What could go wrong?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Obamacare will fall apart on its own

No- it has been the Law now, for four years or so. That the 'political party' you espouse has been wasting taxpayers money, and denigrating the US government in this futile pursuit is something I leave between yourself, your vote, and your conscience.

Either way- the modern US government is a sick joke. But I do not find it remotely funny.

^
So, it's a 'Law' but a bad one.

You want some ex-con who can't pass a background check handling your private details?

Upside down world you're advocating there, sabang...

Obama Lied. My Health Plan Died

"Like an estimated 22 million other Americans, I am a self-employed small-business owner who buys health insurance for my family directly on the individual market. We have a high-deductible PPO plan that allows us to choose from a wide range of doctors.

Or rather, we had such a plan. Last week, our family received notice from Anthem BlueCross BlueShield of Colorado that we can no longer keep the plan we like because of “changes from health care reform (also called the Affordable Care Act or ACA).” The letter informed us that “(t)o meet the requirements of the new laws, your current plan can no longer be continued beyond your 2014 renewal date.”
In short: Obama lied. My health plan died."

Read the whole thing here

This Beast called Obamacare is going to have huge ramifications...

^ He didn't lie that assclown is having his shitty plan replaced by a better one but he is a Repubtard and is committed to seeing ACA fail even if he has to lie about his insurance. It just shows the mentality of these people.

I have a similar plan to the liar above and I am going to get a far better plan come the new year. My deductible will go down by $7500 and I will be paying less.

Stop the lies.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Upside down world you're advocating there, sabang...

Says a citizen of the USA, the only first world country that doesn't have a health care system.
Says a voter for the party that lost the last two presidential elections- except of course you were sure they would win the last one.
Says a person that comes from a country that pays over douible the rest of the advanced world for incomplete and basically shite healthcare.


Damn, I do like living in this upside down world of mine. Why was it you signed on to the Thai governments healthcare scheme again?

I haven't actually, but I will one day. If they let me.

Originally Posted by sabang

I haven't actually, but I will one day. If they let me.

Have you the Tabien Baan Leung (Yellow Book)?

That's the prerequisite for gaining that so-called 'Gold Card' which isn't a card at all but a document showing you are in the Thai Government Hospital System.

And, before I start to get another load of shit on why I've got the 'Gold Card' blah, blah, blah - again, I've used it twice for outpatient Rx of which I had to pay so there - it's Bush's fault and you're a Racist!

Republicans are just crooks, liars, and hypocrites. That's why you find them complaining about healthcare when they are on medicare or getting discounted Thai healthcare. It's also why they attack gays when they are getting bjs from men at rest stops. It's also why they get Americans killed in Iraq for imaginary weapons and threats. It's also why their states get the most welfare while they complain about welfare. There's no story here. Republicans have no morals or dignity.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by sabang

I haven't actually, but I will one day. If they let me.

Have you the Tabien Baan Leung (Yellow Book)?

That's the prerequisite for gaining that so-called 'Gold Card' which isn't a card at all but a document showing you are in the Thai Government Hospital System.

And, before I start to get another load of shit on why I've got the 'Gold Card' blah, blah, blah - again, I've used it twice for outpatient Rx of which I had to pay so there - it's Bush's fault and you're a Racist!

You don't have to take it, BM. You can choose the private hospitals and clinics. You are not contributing a thing to Thailand so really you are just a hypocrite by taking socialist healthcare. You choose to seek it out while other longterm folks here chose to pay for better service from private hospitals. You went out of your way to get socialist healthcare when you could have supported the capitalist system here in Thailand. It's total hypocrisy but it's also very normal for right wingers to be this way.