Thread: Gore for President

^ sorry, you are correct. I was refering to the arrogance of old Europe at that time. The French and the Prussians went into war over a silly pretense, while the war machine in Prussia was too happy to try the new toys they have been making. The infamous Bismark etc... It was the beginning of the end for Old Europe. Then WW1 and WW2 brought them to their knees. This is when the US took over the world. WW2 was the defeat of Europe by Europe, self destructing, with WW1 as foreplay. Could we have avoided it ? no, we couldn't. When you are at the top of the world, you can only go down. We ruled and we fell.

^ actually another question, who won the 1870 war ? was it the Prussians ? can't remember. I know they were superior in terms of war technology and they thought they would crush everyone on their path, but I can't remember how it ended and under which circumstances. I know that WW1 had a lot to do with what happened when the whole conflict ended in 1899 (if I am not mistaken).

1899 ? maybe that was the Crimea. 1870 the French lost.

^ ok looked at Wikipedia, an Armistice was signed with basically the Prussians winning (once more) and ended in 1871, not 1899

This also marked the birth of Germany.

so that was the beginning of the strong resentment between French and Germany. The German speaking East of France was a hot issue, and it was instrumental to the beginning of WW1

^
The resentment goes back to Napoleon times, if not further.

Originally Posted by spliff

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

It sounds like you're saying that Americans are becoming just like our European brothers and sisters.

God forbid! Bunch of spineless, pansy, whiners....

Yes sir that was Caulifornia 20 years ago! Now they're sprouting in Lawrence, Kansas.

Interesting survey results were reported today -- Hilary Clinton had the highest percentage saying they would "definitely vote AGAINST her" but also had the highest percentage of Democrats saying they would "definitely vote FOR her" -- very polarized. Rudy Guliani came out very well on the "definitely vote FOR him."

As a Democrat (and proud of it, thank you very much), I'm hoping that Bill Richardson, Governor of New Mexico, will declare his candidacy. He's rational, moderate, and not tied in to the Beltway crowd (yet).

The Dems still won't accept the real reason the lost the last two Presidential elections nor the loss of Congress. The Democratic party has been in total disarray now for nearly a decade. I have't heard a damn thing from AO or Snaffie to support their thinking for why the Republicans will lose the mid-term elections anything other than sound bites from the libera media and perhaps their intuition. I suggest their predictions are nothing but wishful thinkin'.

"1. Hatred turns people off. The relentless and increasingly absurd criticism of President Bush and the GOP from the left is grating on everyone's ears. The Kossacks and DUers seemingly can't get enough Bush-bashing, but most people aren't political junkies and thus wish that everyone would please shut the heck up from time to time. But the hatred of the left for all things Bush simply will not permit them to stop gnawing the bone, and so they look more irresponsible as time goes on.

2. The Democrats haven't come up with a plan - and I mean a plan for anything. Sorry, Charlie; but advocating a minimum wage increase and more money for health care isn't a plan...its pandering to the varous special interests you are beholden to. It is as if the GOP went into an election campaiging only on tort reform and privatised health accounts...perhaps good stuff, but nothing which makes you want to get out of bed on election day and go vote."

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

The Dems still won't accept the real reason the lost the last two Presidential elections nor the loss of Congress. The Democratic party has been in total disarray now for nearly a decade. I have't heard a damn thing from AO or Snaffie to support their thinking for why the Republicans will lose the mid-term elections anything other than sound bites from the libera media and perhaps their intuition. I suggest their predictions are nothing but wishful thinkin'.

SK,

I think the GOP will lose the House because of the polls results.

(This is now...then will be then.)


Does it matter if the Ds get the House. Overall, not really.

Originally Posted by Milkman

Does it matter if the Ds get the House. Overall, not really.

Sure it matters ... we'll need new shit to cuss and discuss later this year

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Originally Posted by Milkman

Does it matter if the Ds get the House. Overall, not really.

Sure it matters ... we'll need new shit to cuss and discuss later this year

I don't see many new agendas coming up.

Actually, I think it would be better if they worked less in Congress than they actually do.

^ and how Iraq will help the war on terror ? so far, no conservatives, no white house officials have been able to answer that question without going through long loops

Boon Mee maybe you have the answer

same same but different

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Whada ya bet that not one in one-hundred recipients of that e-mail will ask the question, "How will that help the war on terror?"

That question has been answered many, many times already, as the "head moderator" on your political forum you might have stumbled across the odd comment regarding this and the effect the occupation has had on local 'insurgents' and fanatics from surrounding countries.

Originally Posted by stroller

the effect the occupation has had on local 'insurgents' and fanatics from surrounding countries.

So since you came up with a starment that half way makes sense ... it you really believe what you wrote ... then you still advocate that the US and their Allies tuck and run ? You probably supported the war in Afghanistan but now you'd like Iraq to be the new Taliban like headquarters ?

It's a theoretical question by now.

While I can see the occupation does create new recruits who didn't even know nor care what the US is a few years ago, and provide a training ground for them, I think it would be worse for the people of Iraq to pull out now.

Cut and Run is a dubious term.

It's also mainly....a political term.

The door was opened.

The Americans thought it would be very quick and very easy. The Pentagon SecDef publicly stated the Iraq invasion would cost no more than 50 billion dollars.

The Pentagon also stated that American soldiers would be driving around Iraq in unarmored humvees giving out food to people. Being greeted as liberators.

High-lever military leaders thant discussed 1. not enought troops being sent, 2. a coming insurgency, 3, the increased recreuitment outside of Iraq were silenced, and one man, General Shinseki, was basically forced into retirement.

I think if anyone should be displeased, and outright angry with the military leadership (Pentagon) and the political leadership (Bush, Wolfawitz, Cheney, Feith, etc) should be.

The very people in the military.

The folks in the military are getting the brunt of this costly mistake in both public opinion, finances, and lives.

The U.S. has lost its post 9/11 sympathy solely because of Iraq in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Milkman

** The Americans thought it would be very quick and very easy. The Pentagon SecDef publicly stated the Iraq invasion would cost no more than 50 billion dollars.

The Pentagon also stated that American soldiers would be driving around Iraq in unarmored humvees giving out food to people. Being greeted as liberators.

I think if anyone should be displeased, and outright angry with the military leadership (Pentagon) and the political leadership (Bush, Wolfawitz, Cheney, Feith, etc) should be.

The very people in the military.

The folks in the military are getting the brunt of this costly mistake in both public opinion, finances, and lives.

The initial phase of defeating Saddam's Iraqi Army was easy. (Mission Accomplished ) ... You are right though that it appears what would happen after that was not realized or not planned for.

In many parts of Iraq from the beginning right up to this day this is exactly what has been happening. And it would be more apparent if the Iraqi people weren't afraid of showing their appreciation. Would you be runnin' out to shake hands with the liberators if you knew the insurgents would cut your head off ?

Sure the people in the military are displeased for some of the reasons you suggested. However, they have nothing to do whatsoever with the majority of military people believing in the mission. That's the disconnect between you and I here ... you think the military should use those reasons to not support the war ... it's apples and oranges as you like to say.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

When you are at the top of the world, you can only go down. We ruled and we fell.

I didn't know you were British.

Originally Posted by Milkman

Cut and Run is a dubious term.

It's also mainly....a political term.

The door was opened.

The Americans thought it would be very quick and very easy. The Pentagon SecDef publicly stated the Iraq invasion would cost no more than 50 billion dollars.

The Pentagon also stated that American soldiers would be driving around Iraq in unarmored humvees giving out food to people. Being greeted as liberators.

High-lever military leaders thant discussed 1. not enought troops being sent, 2. a coming insurgency, 3, the increased recreuitment outside of Iraq were silenced, and one man, General Shinseki, was basically forced into retirement.

I think if anyone should be displeased, and outright angry with the military leadership (Pentagon) and the political leadership (Bush, Wolfawitz, Cheney, Feith, etc) should be.

The very people in the military.

The folks in the military are getting the brunt of this costly mistake in both public opinion, finances, and lives.

The U.S. has lost its post 9/11 sympathy solely because of Iraq in my opinion.

right on MM

This is exactly what's happening. Some people are trying to rewrite history and deny the current situation to masquerade their fuckups !!!

I am sure the top brass at the Pentagon must hate this Administration more than the CIA, Kerry, and the pinko commie liberals democrats.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

The initial phase of defeating Saddam's Iraqi Army was easy. (Mission Accomplished ) ... You are right though that it appears what would happen after that was not realized or not planned for.

Indeed.

Arrogance + Ignorance.

In Central America it was easy to prop up puppet regimes to support the banana companies.

But it isn't easy everywhere.

Originally Posted by Milkman

In Central America it was easy to prop up puppet regimes to support the banana companies.

But it isn't easy everywhere.

Speakin' of puppets how's ole Thaksin doin'?

Thaksin is hardly a puppet

btw, the political crisis is getting worse here. He is trying to sneak back his way into power again. But this time everybody can see it.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Originally Posted by Milkman

In Central America it was easy to prop up puppet regimes to support the banana companies.

But it isn't easy everywhere.

Speakin' of puppets how's ole Thaksin doin'?

He's the puppet master, who pulls the strings.

But the dirtbag will be going on trial for stealing his American business partners share and equipment in September.