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    Fresh riots erupt in Greek cities

    BBC NEWS | Europe | Fresh riots erupt in Greek cities


    Fresh riots erupt in Greek cities


    Thousands of protesters have attacked banks and shops in Athens and Greece's northern city of Thessaloniki, angered by the police's killing of a teenager.

    Demonstrators threw petrol bombs, rocks and other objects at the buildings and at police, who responded with tear gas.
    In Athens, many protesters have taken refuge in the Polytechnic university, protected by law from police intrusion.

    The city centre is still strewn with glass after riots overnight triggered by the shooting in the Exarchia area.

    Police said the first day of riots had left 24 police officers injured, one seriously, and 31 shops, nine banks and 25 cars damaged or burned. Six people were arrested, one of them for carrying a weapon.

    Alex Hadjisavvas, the owner of a shop on Patission Avenue in central Athens, told the BBC businesses had been looted and the street resembled a "warzone".

    "The window was smashed, the shop front damaged and a large quantity of stock taken from inside has been used by the rioters as material to start street fires," he said.

    The unrest, the worst in the country in several years, later spread to Thessaloniki, Patras, and the islands of Crete and Corfu.

    Police 'powerless'


    After a lull in the fighting on Sunday morning, youths left the National Technical University of Athens, known as the Polytechnic, and joined thousands of leftist demonstrators and anarchists on a march towards the police headquarters on Alexandras Avenue.

    They passed close to where 15-year-old Alexandros Grigoropoulos was shot dead on Saturday. One banner called the police "murderers".

    One protester told the BBC he had been greatly angered by the actions of the police.

    "It's not the first time. They always kill people - immigrants, innocent people - and without any excuse," he said. "They murdered him in cold blood."



    The unrest, the worst in several years, has spread throughout the country . "I think [the violence] is justified. Peaceful demonstrations cannot get a solution to the problem."

    The march soon turned violent, with protesters chanting "killers in uniform" and throwing petrol bombs at riot police, who fired back tear gas.

    Several banks and shops were attacked, while a car showroom was set alight, trapping people living in the floors above. Clashes also broke out near the parliament.

    At least 34 people were injured as a result of the violence on Sunday, officials told the Reuters news agency. At least 10 demonstrators were detained.

    As night fell, groups of protesters used rubbish bins and overturned cars to erect burning barricades in the streets around the Polytechnic, inside whose campus many have taken refuge in the knowledge that police are prohibited from entering.

    The police said they planned to pull out of the area overnight in order to defuse tensions, although many officers were still deployed around the university late on Sunday.

    Earlier, a march by more than 1,000 people on two police stations in Thessaloniki descended into violence when protesters attacked police and shops with firebombs and rocks.

    There were unconfirmed reports that a policeman was injured and banks and cars set on fire during protests in the western port of Patras. Clashes were also reported on the islands of Crete and Corfu.

    The BBC's Malcolm Brabant in Athens says Greece's conservative government, which is currently reeling from a series of scandals and economic troubles, is desperately trying to calm the situation.
    Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis has written to Andreas Grigoropoulos's parents expressing his profound sorrow.

    Interior Minister Prokopis Pavlopoulos, whose offer to resign was refused by the prime minister, has urged both protesters and police to act with restraint.

    The two police officers involved in the shooting of the teenager have been arrested, and an inquiry is under way.


    In a statement, the police said their patrol car had been attacked by about 30 youths and responded, with one officer firing a stun grenade and another shooting and fatally wounding the boy.
    However, our correspondent says that nothing the politicians or authorities can say or do is likely to reduce the anger that is building.


    A similar shooting incident in 1985 led to a lengthy vendetta between the youths and police, with violence continuing for years.

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    Thousands of students, leftist demonstrators and anarchists on Sunday marched from the National Archaeological Museum and Polytechnic on Patission Avenue towards the police headquarters on Alexandras Avenue
    Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute, but set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muadib View Post
    Police 'powerless'
    Hmm, where have I heard that before???

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    Well, Greece is about due for a 'new' revolution. Doesn't take much these days, does it?

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    all a little bit OTT imo

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    seems a tad too organized to be still about the original spark , ( youth murdered )

    what's the story ?

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    Kids attack police and the country revolts when the police defend themselves?

    What kind of miserable shithole doesn't allow its police to defend themselves?

    Is it normal for youths to attack police there? I realize it's Eurotrash we're talking about here ... but have they no laws?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    Kids attack police and the country revolts when the police defend themselves? What kind of miserable shithole doesn't allow its police to defend themselves? Is it normal for youths to attack police there? I realize it's Eurotrash we're talking about here ... but have they no laws?
    A 15 year-old boy was apparently shot in the chest by a policeman who was not in imminent danger. If a populace finds police abuses to be unacceptable, the net result will be more civil rights and a better society. Privacy International ranks Greece as the country more respectful of civil liberties than any other in the world. In a miserable shithole called Texas, the unarmed father of NFL football star Donald Driver was beaten into a coma several weeks ago for no apparent reason by two Houston police officers. There was no outrage because people accept that sort of behavior by authorities. Consequently, such incidents will happen again. When a country reacts so strongly to one abuse as they did in Greece, it prevents others. BTW, the two policemen connected with the Greek incident have been arrested (there are few governments in the world that would have reacted to police actions like this). You get what you fight for, and Greece has earned the top spot for the simple reason that as a society they find police abuses to be unacceptable.

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    That's what I thought ... shithole.

    no apparent reason
    Funny the beatees often say that. Unless there's a video camera present.

    btw, I'm not from Texas. Are you a potato?
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    A lot going on here than just a shooting. Economy sucks and people just need a reason to rebel? Why bash shops and loot if they are angry at the police?

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    I wanted to go to Athens this weekend. Istanbul it is then !
    While I support the arrest of the policemen involved (especially because the cop who shot the boy was involved in a similar incident before, and seems to be nicknamed "Rambo") the resulting anger and violent street protests are just an excuse for leftist-anarchist youth mobs to vandalize and steal. This unfortunately is institutionalised in Europe in the form of the 1st of May, Labour Day. The very reason why (conservative) Switzerland wants to abandon that tradition and give everyone an extra day of holiday.
    As if street punks had any real solidarity with a random boy, it's just the police involved that serves as a convenient excuse.

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    Actions and consequences.

    Europe is so lubed-up libbie they cheer for the rights of gangs of kids wandering around throwing petrol bombs at cops.

    Ain't it great?

    I feel sorry for reasonable, law-abiding Greeks who have to stomach this bullshit.

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    Riots and civil disturbance will be an ever increasing feature of the the next 5-10 years...

    Everywhere.

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    ^^ It's only begun...


    BBC NEWS | Europe | Greek police shooting sparks riot

    Police issued a statement after the shooting, saying a patrol car with two officers inside was attacked by about 30 youths throwing stones.

    They were attacked again and responded, with one firing a stun grenade and the other shooting and fatally wounding the boy, AP quoted the statement as saying.

    Correspondents say the shooting and rioting are certain to ramp up clashes between anarchists and police.

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    Rabid anarchists running loose in Europe.

    Couldn't happen to a nicer village.

    I heard tonight on CNN the anarchists have holed up in some law school in Athens. The reporter said the police haven't been allowed on any uni campuses in many years.

    Beautiful!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    Rabid anarchists running loose in Europe.
    Coming soon to a town near you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    I feel sorry for reasonable, law-abiding Greeks who have to stomach this bullshit.
    Actually, most Greeks are smart enough to have a healthy mistrust for both the powerful and the powerless. They are more comfortable with civil unrest than outsiders might think. From the BBC:

    "Rebellion is deeply embedded in the Greek psyche. The students and school children who are now laying siege to police stations and trying to bring down the government are undergoing a rite of passage. They may be the iPod generation, but they are the inheritors of a tradition that goes back centuries, when nuns would rather hurl themselves to death from mountain convents than submit to the ravages of Greece's Turkish Ottoman invaders. .... The post-junta architects of Greece's new constitution drafted the right of asylum, which bans the authorities from entering the grounds of schools and universities. That is why places of learning are the springboards for the current wave of violence and it also explains why many of the riots are in university towns. Students and pupils have effectively been given carte blanche to carry on protesting, because their professors have declared a three-day strike. ..... The latent Greek contempt for the police, which has now erupted so volcanically, has its roots in the dictatorship, when the police were regarded as the colonels' enforcers and traitors to the people. "

    BBC NEWS | Europe | Rebellion deeply embedded in Greece

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    Now the airport is operating again, and PAD have got nothing to do. they could pull on some yellow shirts and fly to Athens. Solidarity. Mobs without Jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muadib
    Thousands of protesters have attacked banks and shops in Athens and Greece's northern city of Thessaloniki, angered by the police's killing of a teenager.
    Seems the line between "demonstration" and "riot" have become blurred. The right to demonstrate should be upheld. Rioting should be dealt with by police as would any other criminal act.

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