Thread: Is North Koreas time up..?

[QUOTE=bsnub;3604845]The Madman With Nuclear Weapons is Donald Trump, Not Kim Jong-un

https://theintercept.com/2017/08/09/...t-kim-jong-un/[/QUOTE

If this was Clinton you'd be biggin'-up that silly cow to press the button.

Has anybody seen that documentary where Syria get North Korea to build a nuclear power station and the Israeli airforce bomb it.

Japan could intercept N. Korean missiles if threatened by attack on Guam: minister

Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera on Aug. 10 expressed the view that Japan could intercept a missile from North Korea heading for Guam as an act of collective self-defense if such an attack posed a crisis threatening Japan's existence.

"It cannot be ruled out that a deficiency in U.S. deterrence and striking power could constitute a crisis threatening Japan's existence," Onodera said during a meeting of the House of Representatives Committee on Security.

Onodera's statement came in response to a question from Yuichi Goto of the opposition Democratic Party.

In a news conference the same day, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga criticized North Korea over its statement that it was considering striking Guam. "This is clearly a provocative act, and cannot be permitted. We strongly request that it refrain from further provocative actions," Suga said.

Suga indicated that Japan and the U.S. would discuss a response in their "two plus two" meeting of foreign and defense chiefs slated to go ahead on Aug. 17.

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles...0m/0na/018000c

Originally Posted by Jesus Jones

If this was Clinton you'd be biggin'-up that silly cow to press the button.

You really are on idiot. This situation would have never happened if Clinton was president. This all started when that bozo shot his mouth of about fire and fury. Something that no ration person would have said.

Originally Posted by Jesus Jones

Who supplied NK with plutonium in the first place? Yeah that's right, the left and every other country they now seem to have soom beef with!

Let me guess you read that stupid shit on infowars. The Russians built a research reactor there in the sixties and the North Koreans then built more of their own. They have their own uranium deposits as well. The fact is that they have mostly done it themselves.

Clueless as usual.

The first NK reactor was modelled after the first British one... they copied the declassified plans.
(that's what I remember from my north korea studies lectures at uni years ago, anyway).

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by Jesus Jones

If this was Clinton you'd be biggin'-up that silly cow to press the button.

You really are on idiot. This situation would have never happened if Clinton was president. This all started when that bozo shot his mouth of about fire and fury. Something that no ration person would have said.

Originally Posted by Wilsonandson

North Korea will complete a plan by mid-August. It's pretty simple isn't it?
1) Put nuke on missile - strapped on with bungees and ratchet straps
2) Aim it at Guam - explodes on launchpad
3) Launch missile - next one spins off and hits part of China
4) Kiss arse goodbye as Chinese forces rain down on North Korea
5) South Korea attacked anyway, but confusion in ranks as attack is from China
6) Milliions dead - in North Korea
7) China and Russia launch attack on North Korea
8) South Korea kisses China's arse - hedging their bets on an uncertain future
9) The Chinese inherit the Korean refugee crisis.

Simpler?

^^ Good good you are an idiot. Those three clips in no way validate the reckless stupidity that Drumpf exhibited when he spouted off unhinged and off script. So you are comparing what that idiot said to the words of JFK and Truman.

The three clips were far, far more dangerous situations in history and to try and draw some absurd parallel is beyond stupid. Drumpf made this situation far more dangerous by spouting off and as a direct result NK made the threat to attack Guam.

Originally Posted by misskit

criticized North Korea over its statement that it was considering striking Guam. "This is clearly a provocative act, and cannot be permitted. We strongly request that it refrain from further provocative actions,

Jeez, the rhetoric aimed at the great unwashed is never ending BS.

Scenario; I threaten to punch your face so you say, "If you do that, I'll punch your nose".
Hey! He just said he wants to punch my nose!!!!! What a dangerous and unbalanced person! Everyone should back me in putting him in his place.

It's the same shit with Israel.
Self defence, my arse. Sheer aggression.

^^
Why don't you post a quote of the actual things that were said by each person, in chronological order, instead of blowing hard trying to pretend that you're not an idiot and that everyone else is? It is too much of a challenge for you?

Indeed, by definition in your loaded sentence (which sounds a little bit like a north korean news broadcast btw), drawing an "absurd" parallel is possibly "beyond" "stupid"...

the trouble is, you haven't watched those videos, you don't know what the content is, you haven't presented a chronology of the interactions between the two leaders, because you haven't read them... you've just skim read, and cherry picked what suits your own idiotic prejudices.

You even seem to think that everyone who challenges you is somehow a supporter of your bete noir - you just operate exactly like a communist apparatchik idiot - looking for a mob to rally with.

North Korea threatened to nuke the US in 2013... was that the previous administration's fault?

Or are you prepared to observe that this trend of behaviour goes back some time, and precedes Trump?

Appeasement didn't work with Hitler, and it won't work with the DPRK.

Your inference that appeasement is somehow a more intelligent option is stupid and naive - history has proven it so, time and time again. The previous administration's reckless stupidity and incompetence has allowed the situation to even arise.

Did you read this?

In its annual Defence White Paper, Japan said: "It is possible that North Korea has already achieved the miniaturisation of nuclear weapons and has acquired nuclear warheads.
"Since last year, when it forcibly implemented two nuclear tests and more than 20 ballistic missile launches, the security threats have entered a new stage."

What Japan knows about North Korea's nuke program ? and what it's doing about it - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

North Korea's "threat" is just this:

North Korea said on Tuesday night it was "carefully examining" a plan to strike the US territory of Guam with missiles.
The plan will be "put into practice in a multi-current and consecutive way any moment", a spokesman for the regime said.

This is not a threat. It's a threat of a threat. Just like the 2013 "threat" to nuke the USA. You appear to be reading and parroting a left-wing journalist's spin on that...

Originally Posted by Jesus Jones

Who supplied NK with plutonium in the first place? Yeah that's right, the left and every other country they now seem to have soom beef with!

Good gawd, what a load of shit.

Stop watching Infowars and reduce your intake of over-priced Alex Jones supplements. That shit is clearly rotting your brain.

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

the trouble is, you haven't watched those videos, you don't know what the content is

I have seen those videos many times the first in elementary school. You posted them up in an attempt to somehow draw a parallel between Drumpfs stupid comments. It is absurd.

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

North Korea threatened to nuke the US in 2013

So what happened?

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

Appeasement didn't work with Hitler, and it won't work with the DPRK.

Oh riiight so now you are attempting to draw parallels with Hitler.

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

Your inference that appeasement is somehow a more intelligent option is stupid and naive

I have said it before and I will say it again. The regime has one priority and that is self preservation. They are fully aware of the talk of decapitation to change the regime. A nuke will provide them with the ability to prevent that. It gives them the security to sit in their fortresses and sip Hennessy and fondle whores.

If NK was this out of control loose cannon then why have they not turned Seoul into glass? They have over 12,000+ artillery and MLRS in hardened shelters.

The reason is simple they know that if they did it would be their demise and they are aware that the result would be the same if they used a nuke.

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

You appear to be reading and parroting a left-wing journalist's spin on that...

SMH

I thought it was AQ Khan he who developed Pakistans nukes who sold/supplied info to NK to allow them to develop one, as at the time there was pressure on Musharaf who was president of Pakistan at the time to arrest and imprison him, but AQ Khan is a national hero there so think he was just put under house arrest.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

I thought it was AQ Khan he who developed Pakistans nukes who sold/supplied info to NK to allow them to develop one

NK got centrifuge technology (to enrich uranium) from Pakistan they did all the rest.

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

I've changed my view recently.

I now think KJU should not have ICBMs.

Oust him.

shame on you for being a moron.

Stop mimicking Snubs and try to have a discussion.

People can read into this what they want - if anything is "readable" from an Op-Ed in a Chinese (govt) paper.

Hard to say, but it's obviously not just NK vs. the US and vice-versa.

As for the "rhetoric" Trump started this latest round with the "fire and fury" comment. I think Trump's close advisers who want regime change in NK are guiding him to provoke KJU. Of course, I'm speculation (but that's what almost all of us are doing.)

It's the advisers that may have the full sway.


Chinese paper says China should stay neutral if North Korea attacks first

#WORLD NEWSAUGUST 11, 2017

Jason Lee

BEIJING (Reuters) - If North Korea launches an attack that threatens the United States then China should stay neutral, but if the United States attacks first and tries to overthrow North Korea's government China will stop them, a Chinese state-run newspaper said on Friday.

President Donald Trump ratcheted up his rhetoric toward North Korea and its leader on Thursday, warning Pyongyang against attacking Guam or U.S. allies after it disclosed plans to fire missiles over Japan to land near the U.S. Pacific territory.

China, North Korea's most important ally and trading partner, has reiterated calls for calm during the current crisis. It has expressed frustration with both Pyongyang's repeated nuclear and missile tests and with behavior from South Korea and the United States that it sees as escalating tensions.

The widely read state-run Global Times, published by the ruling Communist Party's official People's Daily, wrote in an editorial that Beijing is not able to persuade either Washington or Pyongyang to back down.

"It needs to make clear its stance to all sides and make them understand that when their actions jeopardize China's interests, China will respond with a firm hand," said the paper, which does not represent government policy.

"China should also make clear that if North Korea launches missiles that threaten U.S. soil first and the U.S. retaliates, China will stay neutral," it added.

"If the U.S. and South Korea carry out strikes and try to overthrow the North Korean regime and change the political pattern of the Korean Peninsula, China will prevent them from doing so."

China has long worried that any conflict on the Korean peninsula, or a repeat of the 1950-53 Korean war, could unleash a wave of destabilizing refugees into its northeast, and could end up with a reunified county allied with the United States.

North Korea is a useful buffer state for China between it and U.S. forces based in South Korea, and also across the sea in Japan.

The Global Times said China will "firmly resist any side which wants to change the status quo of the areas where China's interests are concerned".

"The Korean Peninsula is where the strategic interests of all sides converge, and no side should try to be the absolute dominator of the region."

(Story refiles to correct typographical error to "them", not "then", paragraph 1.)

Chinese paper says China should stay neutral if North Korea attacks first | Reuters

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

North Korea threatened to nuke the US in 2013

Why? What provoked the threat?

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

North Korea threatened to nuke the US in 2013

Why? What provoked the threat?

Maan,

Try google.

I seriously doubt that Trump understands the gravity of what he's saying. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-locked-loaded

Out of interest, is there any television footage (with translation) of this threat from NK?

If so, can someone provide a link please.

Is this NK threat real, massive military, shaping up to the only superpower left, how can that be true.
Bit of a google shows NK military spending about 500 mil US more than Norway, NK is a very poor country.

Sounds more of a Hollywood movie script then a reality, if countries could build such large powerful forces without money [GDP] then why do we in the west spend so much on defence.

North Korea Issues Emergency Alert Following U.N. Sanctions Vote

North Korean authorities issued a warning this week to its civilian population to “stand by” for an emergency amid growing nuclear tensions with the United States, sources in the hermit kingdom said.

The Aug. 7 warning was delivered by email to high-ranking officials in the provinces and the Civil Defense Department two days after the adoption of new U.N. sanctions aimed at pressuring the Kim Jong Un regime to end its illicit weapons programs, sources said.

In an unusual move, a statement threatening possible military action against the U.S. was then carried on Aug. 8 in North Korea’s Rodong Sinmum newspaper and was delivered that same day by military helicopters to Chagang province, a source in the province bordering China told RFA’s Korean Service.

“These helicopters are never mobilized to distribute the Rodong Sinmum [Workers’ Newspaper] unless it carries Kim Jong Un’s new year’s address,” RFA’s source said, adding that even then a full day is usually required for distribution.

In Chagang, military vehicles picked up the newspapers in bulk from Samjiyon airport, south of Mt. Paekdu , and quickly delivered them to factories and firms across the province, the source said.

The speed of distribution suggests advance planning in anticipation of the U.N. vote on sanctions three days before, and followed the government order to high-ranking officials on Aug. 7 to prepare for an emergency, a source in neighboring Yangang province told RFA.

“The North Korean government gave orders on the 7th—the day before the government’s announcement was disclosed in public—to high-ranking officials in each city and province to stand by for an ‘emergency,’” the source said, also speaking on condition he not be named.

“The Central Committee [of the ruling Workers’ Party] constantly says that they will keep to their plan to develop missiles and nuclear weapons, and this is escalating a fear of war,” RFA’s source in Chagang said.

“If nuclear war breaks out with the U.S., no one will survive in this land,” the source said.

'Not ready for war'

“Wealthy people and people who live in the cities are more worried than others about Kim Jong Un’s nuclear provocations,” the source said.

“Frankly, we are not ready for a war, since we have concerns over supplies of food and munitions.”

“I don’t know what makes Kim Jong Un so confident,” he said.

North Korea warned on Thursday that its military will complete plans in mid-August to fire four intermediate-range missiles over Japan to land near Guam, angering U.S. President Donald Trump.

The U.S. military is "locked and loaded, should North Korea act unwisely," Trump warned Pyongyang in return. "Hopefully Kim Jong Un will find another path!"

Guam, a Pacific island that is a U.S. territory, posted emergency guidelines on Friday to help residents prepare for a potential nuclear attack from North Korea, Reuters news agency reported.

The Pentagon meanwhile said the U.S. and South Korea will proceed with a joint military exercise in 10 days.

North Korea Issues Emergency Alert Following U.N. Sanctions Vote

^Link to North Korean newspaper mentioned above.

Rodong Sinmum [Workers’ Newspaper]

http://www.rodong.rep.kp/en/

Originally Posted by Looper

Originally Posted by Passing Through

There is no process under way which is going to lead to nuclear disarmament.

I am pretty confident that you are wrong here.

It would be irrational if there were no such endeavour as nuclear weapons have become a liability not a security for the west.

On the contrary. The threat of MAD is the only way forward. The US, Israel, India, Pakistan et al with nukes will never relinquish them, and thus the countries that THOSE countries have designs upon need to have deterrents.

NK should have nukes because they will not use them except in defence. Every country should be able to defend itself.