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Manchester, le MI6, Al-Qaïda, Daesh et les Abedi

Manchester, le MI6, Al-Qaïda, Daesh et les Abedi



Here is a ggle English translation of the above article along with my opinions of some posts on page 13:



Alleged by Scotland Yard, following their “post attack searches and interviews with the alleged culprits friends”, the attack on spectators of the Ariana Grande concert at the Arena in Manchester on May 22, 2017 was committed by Salman Abedi, the “investigators” fortunately found a bank card in the pocket of the shredded corpse of the “terrorist”.

This attack is generally interpreted, by UK official mouthpieces, as evidence that the United Kingdom is not involved in international terrorism and, on the contrary, is a victim of it.

Salman Abedi was born in the United Kingdom to a family of Libyan immigrants. He has traveled to Libya several times in recent months, with or without his father.

The latter, with whom he lived, Ramadan Abedi, is a former officer of the Libyan intelligence services. He was specialized in monitoring the Islamist movement but unfortunately, two decades later did not observe that his son had joined Daesh.

In 1992 Ramadan Abedi was returned by the British MI6 and participated in a UK conspiracy to assassinate Muammar Gaddafi. The operation having failed, he was rescued by MI6 and transferred back to the United Kingdom where he obtained political asylum. He settled in 1999 in Whalley Range (south of Manchester) where the small Libyan Islamic community of the United Kingdom resides.

In 1994 Ramadan Abedi returned to Libya on behalf of MI6. At the end of 1995, he took part in the creation of the Islamic Fighting Group in Libya (GICL), a local al-Qaeda branch, alongside Abdelhakim Belhaj. The GICL was then instructed by the MI6 to assassinate Muammar Gaddafi against 100,000 pounds sterling. This operation, which also failed, provoked lively debates in the services of His Majesty, including the resignation of our friend David Shayler.

Many "former members" of the LIFG have also lived at Whalley Range, including Abedi's friend, Abd al-Baset Azzouz. In 2009, he joined Al-Qaeda in Pakistan and became a close friend of his leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri. In 2011, he participated on the ground in the operation of NATO against Libya. On September 11, 2012, he led the operation against the US Ambassador to Libya, J. Christopher Stevens, murdered in Benghazi. He was arrested in Turkey and extradited to the United States in December 2014, where he awaited trial.

It is not known if Ramadan Abedi joined the LIFG members in 2005 to train Al-Qaeda in Iraq, but in 2011 he participated in the operation of the MI6 of the "Arab Spring" and the ground support role of the LIFG With NATO. In any case, he settled in Libya at the fall of Gaddafi and transferred his family there, leaving his children in the family home of Whalley Range.

According to former Spanish Prime Minister José María Aznar, Abdelhakim Belhaj participates in the attacks in Madrid on 11 March 2004. Later, he is secretly arrested in Malaysia by the CIA and transferred to Libya where he is tortured not by Libyan officials or US, but by MI6 agents. He is finally released during the agreement between Saif el-islam Gaddafi and the jihadists. During the war in Libya, Belhaj, who is exiled to Qatar, flew to Libya in an airplane of the emir and commanded the ground operations in connection with NATO. On July 28, 2011, he organized the assassination of General Abdelfattah Younès, who claimed to have joined the "rebels", but whom he accused of leading the fight against the LIFG in the 1990s. In September 2011, Belhaj was appointed military governor Of Tripoli by NATO. In 2012, assisted by the Irishman Mahdi al-Haraii, he created the Free Syrian Army, then returned to Libya. On May 2, 2014, he was received at the Quai d'Orsay. In December 2013, following the discovery in the archives of the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya of a letter from the former head of MI6, he initiated proceedings in London against the United Kingdom for having abducted and tortured him for nine years earlier. The British secret services then illegally tipped its lawyers and was ultimately be forced to destroy these recordings. According to the Attorney General of Egypt, Hichem Baraket, in May 2015, Belhaj becomes the main leader of Daesh in North Africa; Information taken over by Interpol. Belhaj is now installing three training camps from Daesh in Libya to Derna (in the former Abd al-Baset Azzouz property), Sirte and Sebrata. In October 2016, he opened a new court case in London for his abduction and torture, this time nominally against former MI6 director Sir Mark Allen.

Daesh claimed responsibility for the Manchester bombing, but without qualifying Salman Abedi as a "martyr". After the attack, Ramadan Abedi declared his hostility to jihad to journalists who joined him by telephone. He also said his son planned to spend the month of Ramadan with him in Libya and was persuaded of his innocence. At the request of the United Kingdom, he has now been arrested by a Libyan police force.

(Google translated from French to English, possibly a French speaker here might confirm the jist is correct)

My opinions on posts, by my friends here, appearing on page 13 only. God knows what else has been posted on the previous 12.

Originally Posted by koman

but the only things that is really effective in defeating terrorists in the end, is superior intelligence gathering, and the willingness and ability to act on it.

I assume you mean talking and engaging with the "enemy". The cannon fodder are not the ones one "discusses" anything with. The backers, the funders, the trainers etc. are the ones. Now who are recognised as these people? Ameristan, SA, Israel, middle eastern unelected monarchs and their alleged undetectable, veiled, private citizens who provide the wealth, direction, weapons and ability which "enables" the cannon fodder to function.

It was political will, of both sides, which accomplished the end of the IRA civil war, not bullets.

Originally Posted by koman

All very costly, but all it did was make life a bit more inconvenient for the IRA.

There were many "inconveniences" for the NI public, walls, segregated schools, barbed wire fences to enter "safe zones" etc. Along with being illegally murdered, knee capped, beaten or disfigured by both side’s “law enforcement groups”.

Originally Posted by blue

Laura MacIntyre 15 was seriously injured in the explosion

Originally Posted by blue

Eilidh MacLeod 14 died in the blast

No pretty Iraqi, Iranian, Palestinian, Syrian, Sudanese, Libyan Philipino, Thai, Malay, Myanmar .... girls to post eh. Or have none been slaughtered on the crusader coalition, at the behest of their populations and some posters here, evil, behind the veil, leaders?

Originally Posted by blue

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon.. expressed her "anger and disbelief"....

At her government leaders or prior ones I presume, those that have caused all of this, Not Janet and John in Manchester. Unless sheepishly accepting the koolaid, voting for the evil monkeys and living the high life makes them culpable.

Originally Posted by koman

In the end the IRA and it's operations became so compromised that the glorious leaders realized that some kind of cease fire and peace deal were the only way to "win" anything.

Yes, a deal was proposed, adjusted and accepted, where both sides won something. Have we not got a somebody who wrote a book, "The Art of the Deal", amongst us now. Pity he has forgotten what he has made his position and wealth on. Or as the golden monkey has lost every argument so far he is doubling down.

Originally Posted by koman

Then the next bomb goes off; more blood in the streets; more cheering from IS

And we know it's ISIS's fault because it's “announced” on their web site. Maybe somebody here may wish to educate you as to how easy a web site can be created and maintained. Along with videos of training, shooting, beheading and of course the "saving the poor children" rescuers who always seem to be in the “professionally created rescue videos” throughout Syria, from the "identified" monsters. Cannot the cyber police knock these sites off everyday day after day, it seems not. Or possibly is not considered "worthwhile", whereas slaughtering innocent citizens of far away countries and consequently creating more martyrs was, in one politicians opinion "well worth it".

Look at the cheers and accolades being heaped on the death mechants on this site alone. Ah yes only the “terrorist”, Daesh and Jews, allegedly dance in the street!

Originally Posted by kmart

Spot on, Bob.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Astonishing insights and I am utterly changed by them

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Superb post, ….. I cannot recall reading anything as eloquent and persuasive as this, ever. Astonishing insights and I am utterly changed by them

You three need to use the /sarc icon more often.

Originally Posted by ENT

People often think that the "government" or the leader or president or PM is in charge, but far from it, these people are only mouth-pieces, spin-doctors, and the public face representing the real powers behind the facade of government.

The politicians fight each other for the job, they enjoy the perks but they aren't accountable to the people just like their ME and financial backers? How much do the ex PM’s and POTUSE receive monthly when they are retired and from whom? If you are suggesting they are willing mouthpieces for those we dare not name then doubly so. Is this the, paraded around the world, Democratic System of consensual government you accept blindly, you like the sheep most here an acceptable solution?

The citizens of the countries have mainly fallen for the fairy stories fed to them by their beloved politically or those we dare not name owners of the MSM. Some tried marching and protesting only to be kettled and worse. Most have lived the fat cats lifestyle compared to the majority of the words population who are kept at the survival stage so the chosen ones can sip the Chardonny and toast on foreign beaches themselves to match their brown slaves.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Comparing the IRA to radical islam is comparing chalk to cheese. The IRA never had people so brainwashed that they would believe blowing themselves up and taking out innocent people rewards them with 72 virgin

IRA cannon fodder killed innocents, ISIS cannon fodder kills innocents. What’s different? Both were/are being used for others agendas. Or are you suggesting one sort of cannon fodder is different from the other?

Not brought up as a good Jewish, Hindu, Catholic or Protestant then harry. More people have been slaughtered because of financial gain wrapped around the flag of religion or definable “your different to us” thus I must kill you, than any other reason. Get you head out of the sand. Listen to the UK commanders when screwing with their cannon fodder’s minds, just before he led his troops into the second Iraqi war, or any other war from the previous millennia, for evidence of giving all of the cannon fodder protection by “delivering to the unclean”, their sky fairy/God’s will.

One wonders why the orange monkey and his family were so widely praised, for the females to be unveiled in SA to show how educated, free and progressive, strong they are but were capped and veiled in Israel and the Vatican. Surely the Muslim countries have laws that must be obeyed, similar to Israel and the Vatican? But of course the sheep accept that some laws can be disregarded, on a whim. Who decides which laws must be obeyed and others dismissed as not applying to me. Is it a video of a person “swearing” obedience to an ancient document or political system; are they and their entourage above the law?

Originally Posted by Klondyke

It's not because of "brainwashing" but because of desperation of their fate.

Their fate has been to not have as big rifle as their conquerors. The biggest nastiest chimp always leads the pack, because it has big teeth and s strong body, not by democratic consensus. Has humanity not risen from the violence and unlawfulness of the jungle?

Originally Posted by ENT

Being indoctrinated from early childhood onwards into a belief that brooks no criticism or dissent, nor apostasy for disbelievers, on pain of death, is total and complete brainwashing. Their [insert today's choice of religion here] fate is demonstrably bound to their mindset as ordained by their religion, which includes uncompromising directives to either lie to, enslave, punish, or kill all perceived unbelievers of [insert today's choice of religion here] doctrine.

Originally Posted by ENT

Their desperation arises from their unresolvable inter-sect and inner conflicts over what constitutes "true" [insert today's choice of religion here] and acceptable human behaviour, compounded by [insert today's choice of religion here] insistence that all of humanity join in that diabolical horror story of ritual blood sacrifice and oppression.

Inserted the places where one can adapt your rant as required. Hope it clarifies the ridiculous stance you hold dearly.

Try reading some empire or other's way of conquering little brown/black/yellow/red/white skinned people. The big stick worked for a good long time. And they have not changed in method or desired consequence.

Of course it was the Chinese who allowed the barbaric westerners to take clocks, the compass, gunpowder and paper money back to their homes. J

Originally Posted by ENT

The west and other, eastern societies, have rightly viewed Islam as a threat to humanity ever since its inception

Oh some have come to believe that all religions have very little positive to give society.

Originally Posted by jerrywade

If you are suspicious of the mainstream media

It's very much a sheep's pen here. Unless the shepherd sets the dogs on them they're just mostly baa, baa and baa at each other quietly. Even when the slaughter house knacker’s van drives into the farmyard, they blindly follow each other onto it, to their predetermined, untimely end.

Originally Posted by ENT

Intelligence based counter-terrorism is alive and well, and successful to a greater degree than people are aware of. More resources need to be put into counter-terror intel, as well as in boosting police and especially CCTV surveillance.

Exactly how many terrorists have been arrested, prosecuted, tried, convicted of a crime, are now in jail and serving their fair sentence in the UK? Is that law not enshrined in most civilized countries legal code?

Are you including those shot to death by the “well trained, well armed marksmen and woman” who act as police, judge and jury on no factual evidence? Or those safely sat abroad, 30 minutes from their safe home life, friends and families at an exciting days end, involved in computer war games at their consoles, but actually just “following illegal orders”, slaughtering those on their consoles?

I presume you have the numbers, names and jails of the legally held “terrorists” as you willing to post here such highly unlikely nonsense? Or do you mean the "terrorists" who are now our "good terrorists", working for us behind the scene masters on their diabolical plans. The latest UK bombing has history, see above,

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

So almost all your muslim terrorists came and grew up in Britain and the police had them on a watch list. They lived in british communities where sharia law is practiced, and women segregation is common.

Britain has been for decades, no centuries, a multiracial society where all were welcome and brought some necessary skills and labour to the table. They all had their idiosyncrasies and were tolerated by all. In the main they still are, unless the hatred is stirred up by those we can’t name, behind the mask, of our so generous democratic system.

One wonders how Sunni Muslim ME countries, racist Jewish, Indian, Pakistani countries with equally ingrained laws, can be considered “one of us” enough to be granted weapons of mass destruction? All to the applause of the rewarded parties. Surely it’s not only for the paper/golden wealth, transferred to the politicians secret bank accounts, the paper stock options in their “managed by an arms length trust funds” or the companies executives who make these weapons to slaughter far more innocent civilians, than “bad terrorists”?

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

The answer is: "I think we need to be much more tolerant towards Islam."

How did the 1930 to 1940's experiment in ridding a religious group go with your NAZI fore fathers or were your ancestors “just following orders”? Is it considered to be a bright spot in your national history? Or are you rightly ashamed your ancestors were part of that alleged slaughter?

I sincerely apologies in advance, if you are not a real German.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

This is what the House of Commons will look like in the future.

You have obviously not visited the English House of Commons ever. Except for PM Questions and the obligatory voting procedures. Even those are generally whipped to ensure the party line is maintained and “paired” MPs can go off and dine at the taxpayers expense, visit the local children’s home or jet off to a billionaires island for a longer, more personal and possibly illegal pastime, instead of physically and morally fulfill their duty. Possibly 4 or 5 MP’s generally sit in the debating chamber. Failure to follow the line can lead to deselection and the end of your gravy train. Those that choose that route are financially and morally scape goated.

Generally the non whites are more interested in politics in the UK. They turn out to the debates to listen, discuss and see their local candidates. They are also more likely to vote. Allegedly, sometimes more than once The white/council hose/trailer trash/ West London/Surrey/Cotswold child abusers are more impressed by the MSM fake headlines and their paper rising house prices, (there are no factual accounts to report and can be adjusted to public opinion or deleted at a moments notice), from their BFF or Faux News.

And that my friends, is just page 13 of this topic that I have read. I suggest rather than cluttering up the thread with insults to me, you crack open another beer, enjoy a slim tight brown girls cheeks, recall another racist remembrance from your past and enjoy your two minutes of pleasure.

Unless of course, you have anything intelligent to post, about my own opinions? Honed by listening to The Archers and Letter from America, for many years

Originally Posted by Thai3

Bob claims to have lived in Syria, CM where he ran a karaoke brothel, St Albans and now Manchester for half his life, some might suspect him of some exaggeration or maybe he's been on the weed again?

You realise you're in a forum filled with people who've spent their lives in many different countries, don't you? If you think 2 countries and 2 cities is an exaggeration you must be dreadfully parochial. Certainly your extraordinarily limited experience is borne out by the stupidity and ignorance displayed in your post. Why not double your experience of the world outside your hovel with a trip to Luton or Brighton, maybe even somewhere as far away as Calais if your parole conditions allow it.

Originally Posted by OhOh

And that my friends, is just page 13 of this topic that I have read. I suggest rather than cluttering up the thread with insults to me, you crack open another beer, enjoy a slim tight brown girls cheeks, recall another racist remembrance from your past and enjoy your two minutes of pleasure.

Unless of course, you have anything intelligent to post, about my own opinions? Honed by listening to The Archers and Letter from America, for many years

You are so blinded by your obvious hatred of all things western, you are in danger of becoming Mr Earl 2.0
I have to agree with Rick and Nev on this point and Bob is correct about the detailed lengths to which you are prepared to go, just to express your 'opinion'.

In short your bile and hatred have been repeated ad nauseam, making readers avoid your oh so obvious unfounded bias.
This is of course just my opinion.

^Thank you, for your post.

I will try harder next term.

Originally Posted by chassamui

letting the west foot the bill for all modern day ills

Some might say if the shoe fits ....... unless you can be more specific about which ills you refer to.

Originally Posted by chassamui

the west and the drive toward gobalisation has much to answer for

Globalisation is not, in my view, a problem. Possibly for some who have created systems dependent restrictive activities. They will have to adjust to the rest of the world's population having a share of the worlds wealth. The 0.001% made trillions, was it those people who failed to pass on the share to it's historic workforce that caused the current concerns of those who feel left behind and deserted by their business and political leaders?