Thread: President Donald Trump

Why do I following USA Politics, because I'm an investor.

Don't really care about Brexit but care a lot about Trump, USA/China and issues like below ...

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Investors are betting on a Clinton-like market rally if House impeaches Trump




Key Points

• The stock market is shrugging off risks from the possible impeachment of President Donald Trump because it seems highly likely the Senate would acquit him if the House were to impeach him.
• There are possible moments of volatility for markets even though analysts do not believe the overall rally is at risk.
• J.P. Morgan analysts said there are some major wild cards for the markets that could be impacted by the impeachment process — the U.S.-China trade war; Iran relations and implications for the 2020 presidential and senate elections.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/25/how-...peachment.html

Trump call summary shows he pressed Ukrainian president to probe Biden — live updates

The Trump administration has released the much-anticipated transcript summary of President Trump's phone call with Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky, after Mr. Trump authorized publishing the transcript.
A memo summarizing the call shows that the president urged Zelensky to probe Joe Biden and his son, Hunter Biden, who sat on the board of a Ukrainian natural gas company.




The memorandum released by the Justice Department is not, according to the administration, a verbatim transcript.
The text, according to a footnote, is the record of the notes and recollections of the officers and National Security Council policy staff "assigned to listen and memorialize the conversation in written form."


According to the call summary, Mr. Trump told Zelensky, "There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that. So whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it...It sounds horrible to me."

The video of the (summary) transcript is here ... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine...ke-2019-09-25/

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Watching Trump defend the latest allegation he looked tired, almost meek.

Could this be the beginning of the end?

He's not wrong.

I read the transcript yesterday and I was disgusted to see how obsequious Volodymyr Zelensky was in his discussions with orange cunto.
Creeping, ass licking, slimy. Pat my back and I pat yours..

So it looks like Bidens son was never actually under investigation.

In early 2019, Lutsenko’s position as prosecutor general was under threat after Zelenskiy -- who was then heavily ahead in the polls -- promised to remove him if elected president. Leshchenko and the other official said Lutsenko had then sought out Giuliani in a desperate bid to try to enlist the Trump administration in the hope it would somehow protect him.

"We understood that he was just trying to protect his position in the new administration using this scandal," Leshchenko said. "And he put Ukraine on this battlefield."

(MORE: Ukraine's 2014 revolution to Trump's push for a Ukrainian probe of Biden: A timeline)
Leshchenko and other Ukrainian officials said that as far as they were aware no investigation was ever opened into Biden. They said that if the Trump administration suspected that Biden and his son had broken the law, then U.S. authorities should submit a formal request that Ukraine investigate through the usual channels.

"If there will be a request from the American side, we’ll look at it," Anton Gerashchenko, who was appointed Ukraine’s deputy interior minister on Wednesday, told ABC News. He said that as far as he was aware no formal request had ever been made

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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ukra...ry?id=65863043

Originally Posted by Cujo

So it looks like Bidens son was never actually under investigation.

Of course not, everyone who independently looked into the claims found they had no factual basis.

It was an attempt by a corrupt POTUS and his cronies to manufacture a scandal to damage a political opponent.

From the above.

It was clear that [President Donald] Trump will only have communications if they will discuss the Biden case," said Serhiy Leshchenko, an anti-corruption advocate and former member of Ukraine's Parliament, who now acts as an adviser to Zelenskiy. "This issue was raised many times. I know that Ukrainian officials understood."

The Trump administration’s alleged insistence that the two leaders discuss a prospective investigation into Biden, one of the president’s political opponents, casts his July 25 conversation with Zelenskiy in a new light.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

And you know this is a lie how?

list a verifiable truth he has ever uttered ? something quantifiable and not rambling biggly

Zelenskiy meets Trump: sitcom president finds himself trapped in a whodunnit
Sitting down in front of cameras at the UN, Zelenskiy looked miserable and Trump rambled about his achievements

According to the version released by the White House, when Zelenskiy asked Trump about US military support for his embattled country, Trump said: “I would like you to do us a favour though” and went on to suggest, repeatedly, that Zelenskiy’s government launch an investigation into Trump’s possible opponent in next year’s presidential elections, Joe Biden.

Shortly before the call, Trump is reported to have ordered US military aid to Ukraine to be suspended.
Sitting alongside the US president, Zelenskiy looked very much like the high school teacher-turned-president he used to play on his longrunning political sitcom, The Servant of the People, bewildered at the absurdities unfolding before him.

“Better to be on TV than on the phone,” he joked, though nothing about his demeanour suggested that was true. He looked unhappy from the beginning, and when Trump turned to him and declared: “I really hope you and President Putin get together and can solve your problem”, Zelenskiy looked like he was going to be sick.
His “problem” was that part of his country had been annexed by Putin, and Russian military intervention had turned another part into a battleground. Hours before meeting Trump, the Ukrainian leader had stood in front of the UN general assembly and held up a bullet in an effort to remind the international community of the largely forgotten conflict.

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“There is no such thing as someone else’s war,” Zelenskiy had said. “None of you will be able to feel safe as long as there is a war in Ukraine, a war in Europe.”

In his afternoon encounter with Trump, the war was quickly forgotten once more and the Ukrainian president found that, on his debut on the global stage, he had wandered into a whodunnit in which he was prime witness.

So had his arm been twisted by Trump to investigate Joe Biden? the press wanted to know. Zelenskiy’s discomfort was overwhelming. On one hand, his government’s relationship with the US, its most important military backer, was at stake. On the other, his side of the July conversation made him sound like a sycophant, constantly flattering Trump and offering to take guidance from the US president in domestic Ukrainian investigations. It was unlikely to play well back home.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ine-meeting-un

According to the version released by the White House

And that's a key point.

If what they released already reads like a bad Mafioso script then what does the real, non-Sharpied, version actually say.

An unedited version of the full transcript has been released by the WH:

Originally Posted by RPETER65

And you know this is a lie how?

Because there is no law or rule that says you can't release your tax returns while they are under audit (that's if they even are) and previous presidents have released theirs while under audit.

As usual, the president has distorted facts to suit personal needs. In this instance he's repeatedly stated that an audit is preventing him from releasing tax returns. This is false.


As far back as 2016, after the audit issue was raised, the IRS issued a statement concluding that "nothing prevents individuals from sharing their own tax information."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/victorl.../#ba91de918187

It's painful having to explain absolutely everything to you, you stupid, gullible old fart.

seems like drumpf is trying to throw his vice president under the bus

the human windsock is such a biggly sleezebag

Originally Posted by baldrick

seems like drumpf is trying to throw his vice president under the bus

No surprise, history and form for that.

It's part of what really does bemuse me though. How the fuck does he manage to still get people to tarnish their own reputations for him when they know he has zero loyalty to anyone but himself.

according to a republican on the house intel committee, the complaint has recently been declassified and should be released soon.

if i had to guess, the complaint is more or less the same as the transcript....you can see in it what you want to see.

the whistleblower needs to testify in an open session of congress ASAP....that's what will have an impact.

Originally Posted by baldrick

seems like drumpf is trying to throw his vice president under the bus

trump is only concerned about trump....he's has no loyalty to anyone other than himself.

trump not so subtly put that out there to let any wavering senate republicans know that if he goes down he's taking pence with him...and then it's going to be president pelosi.

Hurrah, all was not lost...

Frequent flyer Pelosi leaves impeachment speech on the plane

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - On Monday evening, Nancy Pelosi set about writing one of the most important speeches of her long political career, about her decision to open an impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump.

Then she left it on a plane.

The Democratic leader of the U.S. House of Representatives had spent all weekend mulling new allegations against Trump and began sketching out a response on a flight from New York to Washington.

“She wrote the first draft of her speech that she would give Tuesday,” then left it behind, said a source familiar with what happened.

But all was not lost. “At least she had organized it in her head,” the source said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1WB036

...more than €15 billion and counting.
(How generous for the democratized country. So, could not they easily pay some $50,000 monthly to a hard-working director?)

Trump changes story on withholding Ukraine aid

The president confirmed that he froze the military assistance before reportedly pressing the country’s leader to investigate his political rival.

President Donald Trump on Tuesday shifted his explanation for temporarily withholding hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid to Ukraine, citing what he criticized as a lack of similar financial contribution by other Western powers to the Eastern European nation.

Trump’s latest remarks are at odds with his assertion Monday that he denied the assistance because he feared bureaucratic corruption within Ukraine’s government. The new claim also comes after weekend reports that he repeatedly pressured newly elected Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky during a July phone call to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden’s son.

“As far as withholding funds, those funds were paid. They were fully paid,” Trump told reporters Tuesday, ahead of his address to the United Nations General Assembly.

“But my complaint has always been, and I'd withhold again, and I'll continue to withhold until such time as Europe and other nations contribute to Ukraine,” he continued. “Because they're not doing it. Just the United States. We're putting up the bulk of the money. And I'm asking, why is that?”

The Washington Post first reported Monday night that Trump directed acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney to hold back nearly $400 million in military funds for Ukraine at least a week before his summer conversation with Zelensky.

POLITICO had reported in August that the president was slow-walking $250 million of the aid package, meant to confront Russia’s aggression in the region, and a senior administration official said at the time that Trump was seeking assurances that other countries were “paying their fair share.”

The president, who has long grumbled about U.S. expenditures toward international alliances, appeared to reprise that line of reasoning later Tuesday. Trump said he had vented his frustrations to several Cabinet officials, and singled out France and Germany as countries that should commit greater resources to Ukraine's protection.

“I keep asking the same question," he told reporters, appearing alongside British Prime Minister Boris Johnson. "Why is it that the United States is always paying these foreign countries, and other foreign countries that, frankly, are much more affected, they're not?”

But the European Union pushed back on Trump's assertions in a statement Tuesday.

"The European Union’s support to Ukraine in the past 5 years has been unprecedented and consistent," said Maja Kocijancic, an EU spokesperson for foreign affairs and security policy. "Since 2014, the EU and the European Financial Institutions have mobilized more than €15 billion in grants and loans to support the reform process, with strong conditionality on continued progress."

She added that the EU determined its own level of financial support and worked closely with the U.S. and other allies "in support of Ukraine and in defense of its territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence. This goes beyond the considerable financial and technical support, and includes substantial and coordinated restrictive measures in response to Russia’s illegal annexation of Crimea and Sevastopol, Russian aggression in eastern Ukraine, and misappropriation of Ukrainian state funds."

Trump previously suggested the White House’s decision to freeze the aid, before releasing the money earlier this month amid bipartisan pressure from Congress, reflected an effort by the administration to ensure Ukraine “is honest” and worthy of American support.

“If you don't talk about corruption, why would you give money to a country that you think is corrupt?” he said Monday upon arriving to the U.N. “One of the reasons the new president got elected is he was going to stop corruption. So it's very important that on occasion you speak to somebody about corruption. Very important.”

The administration’s maneuvers regarding the aid and muddled rationale for its delay have been a focal point for the president’s critics and Democratic lawmakers — some of whom charge that Trump attempted to make Ukraine’s receipt of the funding contingent upon a probe into the son of his political rival.

Trump on Monday afternoon denied that he offered an explicit quid pro quo to Zelensky, telling reporters: “I did not ask for — I did not make a statement that you have to do this or I'm not gonna give you aid. I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't do that.”

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...ry-aid-1509070

sounds like the wistleblower is another Pentagon agent with an agenda to protect the NSA/CIA and will do anything to embarrass Trump so they can come to his rescue and tight the noose around his neck, and follow their orders when they say "BOMB IRAN"

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

sounds like the wistleblower is another Pentagon agent with an agenda to protect the NSA/CIA and will do anything to embarrass Trump so they can come to his rescue and tight the noose around his neck, and follow their orders when they say "BOMB IRAN"

Doesn't sound anything like that.

the 9 (!) page whistleblower complaint has been released.

https://intelligence.house.gov/uploa...nt_unclass.pdf

i went through it quickly, but at first blush it looks bad for trump......and giuliani and AG barr.

if the claims of evidence destruction/manipulation and cover up is real, people are going to jail.

Originally Posted by raycarey

the 9 (!) page whistleblower complaint has been released.

https://intelligence.house.gov/uploa...nt_unclass.pdf

i went through it quickly, but at first blush it looks bad for trump......and giuliani and AG barr.

if the claims of evidence destruction/manipulation and cover up is real, people are going to jail.

Bastard, ya beat me to it.

Having read that Trump SHOULD be in deep shit but being the wriggle master he is.....