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Some of his stuff is good and funny, but that's terrible and incredibly deceitful, dishonest, manipulative, etc. Pretty much just endless one-sided lies (which is what this debate and politics has pretty much become).Quote:
Originally Posted by HermantheGerman
Sadly what you say is quite true, he's a comedienne just like Camoron .Quote:
Originally Posted by BettybooSome of his stuff is good and funny, but that's terrible and incredibly deceitful, dishonest, manipulative, etc. Pretty much just endless one-sided lies (which is what this debate and politics has pretty much become).Quote:
Originally Posted by HermantheGerman
The right idea? He says he's voting leave because Brexit would bring down the Tory government. Are you seriously saying that such a serious issue as leaving or remaining in the EU is secondary to playing petty party politics or is this yet another of those cases where you didn't actually read or understand the link you posted?Quote:
Originally Posted by piwanoi
England has been going around the globe invading and forcing THEIR will on people for hundreds of yrs. For good or evil. All to enrich themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
And spread democracy which was alien to many. Religion also ffs.
Which may have been good for some or not. ie the corruption of mind.
Now the boot on the other foot and England doesn't want to play THEIR game.
Even though the bankers , politicians have brought all this upheavel upon us.
Or we can say that we are all responsible for being such greedy muthers.
Tink most in Scotland, N.Ireland and Wales want to remain. England having a problem with CONTROL. The money.
But some here will remember what a ruthless bunch the conservatives can be.
Anyway
As for labour taking back control,,,, in ure dreams.
And capitalism eerrrr.
Yup....Quote:
Originally Posted by billy the kid
Every time you write "Fuck off Piwi " all you achieve is to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that you are one of these :) https://www.google.co.th/?gws_rd=cr&...=bigot+meaningQuote:
Originally Posted by DrB0bThe right idea? He says he's voting leave because Brexit would bring down the Tory government. Are you seriously saying that such a serious issue as leaving or remaining in the EU is secondary to playing petty party politics or is this yet another of those cases where you didn't actually read or understand the link you posted?Quote:
Originally Posted by piwanoi
Tax, there is no uncertainty or doubt over what will transpire if the chickenhead Isaan equivalent in Britain vote to quit the EU:the £ will devalue sharply and reach parity with the $, inflation will be imported, the economy will shrink accordingly and the process of re-aligning our tariffs with new markets will be a long drawn out affair blighting the next ten years, Scotland will secede and N.Ireland will become even more of a desperate backwater rotting in isolation, wine will become expensive again and we'll pay more for our cars and probably everything else we fucking import given the £ will be worth diddlysquat.Quote:
Originally Posted by taxexile
Problem is, Brexit morons are too fucking stupid to realise just how fucking dumb they truly are.
He didn't write "Fuck off Piwi" though, did he? He asked you to explain why playing petty party politics is in your opinion 'the right idea'. He then posited that you don't think that, but merely didn't properly read the story you linked to. Something you get caught out on time and time again.Quote:
Originally Posted by piwanoiEvery time you write "Fuck off Piwi " all you achieve is to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that you are one of these :) https://www.google.co.th/?gws_rd=cr&...=bigot+meaningQuote:
Originally Posted by DrB0bThe right idea? He says he's voting leave because Brexit would bring down the Tory government. Are you seriously saying that such a serious issue as leaving or remaining in the EU is secondary to playing petty party politics or is this yet another of those cases where you didn't actually read or understand the link you posted?Quote:
Originally Posted by piwanoi
Hey, Ent! Your monkey's got loose again!Quote:
Originally Posted by piwanoiEvery time you write "Fuck off Piwi " all you achieve is to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that you are one of these :) https://www.google.co.th/?gws_rd=cr&...=bigot+meaningQuote:
Originally Posted by DrB0bThe right idea? He says he's voting leave because Brexit would bring down the Tory government. Are you seriously saying that such a serious issue as leaving or remaining in the EU is secondary to playing petty party politics or is this yet another of those cases where you didn't actually read or understand the link you posted?Quote:
Originally Posted by piwanoi
Village fortune teller says "No BREXIT. First box on ballot always win." As good a prediction as I've heard so far.
I would have to agree, I have said time and time again although not on this board the UK government has treated its' own citizens badly. No surprise they take it out on the EU despite the fact that is not the entire reason for their unhappiness. Leaving the EU will be a disaster as the country will be more fragmented than it ever has been.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0bWho? Let's be honest about this, regardless of the BR in Brexit this is primarily an English issue. It's being pushed by the English and, if it goes through, Britain will exit the EU based primarily on English votes. It's got nothing really to do with the EU, it has to do with the fact that English, the normal English, feel unrepresented and overlooked in their own country.Quote:
Originally Posted by NevernaTrue to some extent, but that is democracy at work - and a poorly informed population is a failure of politicians.Quote:
Originally Posted by taxexile
and Scotland, and Wales and Northern Ireland?Quote:
Originally Posted by taxexile
The Brexit side is a sewer of lies and misrepresentations but that doesn't matter because the issue is not the EU, the issue is that many people in England feel powerless and betrayed and what we're seeing now in England is a surge in what can only be called English identity - which is not necessarily a bad thing in itself.
I think Britain leaving the EU would be a terrible mistake but it's very easy to see why many people want this. English identity has pretty much disappeared over the last 70 years and people are left with no meaningful history, society, or social structures to identify with. Those people who want England to be a country that represents them rather than some "outsider" are vilified as racists and fascists. The vast majority are not, of course, racists and fascists but ignoring and belittling their fears and hopes may very well cause them to turn in that direction.
To me the EU is not the primary cause of this disaffection and alienation, the primary cause is a political system which places no value on the majority of the people of this country. A system which ignores their aspirations, pays no attentions to their hopes and fears, impoverishes them and removes the financial and social supports people formerly relied on.
sod it, I can't be bothered typing any more. I know what the response will be. I'm off to the pub.
Having visited family on the council estate I come from, they are voting out, out, out, almost to a man. All fuelled by anger. Doctors appointment takes 7-10 days, hospital appointment 6-10 weeks knee operation 18-36 months. 35+ kids in a classroom and many cannot speak English so holds the whole class back. Daily and hourly rates on building sites dropping through over supply of labour.
It's also pointless trying to explain many of these problems are caused by our own government, they have been ridiculed and insulted by 'remainders' too much. It's become a them and us so reason goes out the window.
I am voting out because the EU is broken, undemocratic and corruptly exploits anywhere it can, part of the reason for mass economic migrants.
^ I dont think anyone denies the UK government is shit, but just because they are shit doesnt mean that stepping out the eu is a bad idea.
Oh dear Piwi has lost the plot again! Voting leave will not bring down the government. How would it? Why would it? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by piwanoiEvery time you write "Fuck off Piwi " all you achieve is to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that you are one of these :) https://www.google.co.th/?gws_rd=cr&...=bigot+meaningQuote:
Originally Posted by DrB0bThe right idea? He says he's voting leave because Brexit would bring down the Tory government. Are you seriously saying that such a serious issue as leaving or remaining in the EU is secondary to playing petty party politics or is this yet another of those cases where you didn't actually read or understand the link you posted?Quote:
Originally Posted by piwanoi
That's the problem and I wonder who would staff the hospitals, drive buses, taxis, pick fruit and staff the hotels. The truth is we don't have enough people so what will happen? Very likely being outside the EU and negotiating deals would mean the EU would demand the free movement of labour (think I may have said that before).Quote:
Originally Posted by Seekingasylum
^ Don't forget the sky will fall too, and the oceans will boil and the will be a plague of locusts. and the spice girls will get back together.
But in the real world, the uk treasury forecast, and this trying to forecast the worst realistically possible scenario says the uk GDP will grow a few percentage points less than it would in the eu.
and there are advanatges to be outside the eu
the uk can get its seat at the wto again and has the power of veto. we dont even have a meaningful veto in the eu, and no seat at the wto.
All for one and one for all. We're all going down the shitter either way.
Except maybe the 0.5%.
Go with the conservatives and their austerity and we will see once again that their cruelty has no limit. ie the estab. always win.
Cut out all this nationalistic bs.
Situation demands reform though.
Gove and co make me sick. They all make me sick.
BBC, ITV, Channel 4, 5, Sky; what's the point of listening to them anymore.
Those 'forecast' should be obvious and they didn't come from the treasury but my own realisation. While they may not happen straight away it would help if you looked at the bigger picture instead of one issue where you are quite wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by longway
No worries, the UK will vote to remain in the EU and all will be well again. The support shown for the leave campaign has stalled, only die-hard TD trolls are left ...and piwi, but he can't vote.
The UK people are not ones to quit in a crisis. They will soldier on and help the EU from within where help is needed most. Farage will have his head kicked in by his own supporters, which I shall watch on a video loop whilst tucking into weisswurst, tapas and cuisses de grenouille washed down with a pint of old peculiar.
I really will enjoy farage getting punched.....
Not just because he was too lazy to register, it's mostly because he can't spell X.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troy
Well that should get a few more "Leave" votes....
Islamist Preacher Anjem Choudary Will Vote Against Brexit | The Daily CallerQuote:
Britain’s most notorious Islamist hate preacher Anjem Choudary is supporting United Kingdom’s membership in the European Union.
The U.K. will vote on whether or not to remain a member of the EU Thursday. In the final days of the campaign the “Leave” and “Remain” campaigns are neck and neck, with turnout expected to be the decisive factor in determining the outcome.
Speaking exclusively to Breitbart London, Choudary offered his reasons for why the U.K. was better off in the EU. “If you want my view on it, I think Britain will be worse off,” said Choudary.
“I think that [leaving the EU] is something that is probably not in our advantage from a Muslim perspective.” Choudary argued the U.K. would be at a security disadvantage in the event of Brexit.
The referendum has shown the politicians up for what they truly are, liars and self serving.
Whatever the result, let's have a unified Great Britain:UK:
Berlin: Brexit could trigger new Northern Irish conflict
A vote by Britain to quit the European Union might reignite conflict in Northern Ireland because it would re-erect a border through the country, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said on Thursday.
"In the case of a 'Brexit', it won't be that the EU is simply a group of 28 countries minus one," Steinmeier told a debate on the future of Europe.
But it could unleash new dangerous dynamics, he suggested, pointing to the case of Northern Ireland.
The minister said that an Irish representative had once told him that the conflict in Northern Ireland was currently quiet "because there are no borders in Ireland."
But if the United Kingdom were to quit the EU, "there will be a border again between Ireland and Northern Ireland. And that could at least have the potential of rekindling a conflict that has seemingly calmed down," he said.
Berlin: Brexit could trigger new Northern Irish conflict - The Local
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A rather sweet article :) http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36593528
i'm not so sure britains future will be as dire as you suggest should brexit occur.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeekingasylumTax, there is no uncertainty or doubt over what will transpire if the chickenhead Isaan equivalent in Britain vote to quit the EU:the £ will devalue sharply and reach parity with the $, inflation will be imported, the economy will shrink accordingly and the process of re-aligning our tariffs with new markets will be a long drawn out affair blighting the next ten years, Scotland will secede and N.Ireland will become even more of a desperate backwater rotting in isolation, wine will become expensive again and we'll pay more for our cars and probably everything else we fucking import given the £ will be worth diddlysquat.Quote:
Originally Posted by taxexile
Problem is, Brexit morons are too fucking stupid to realise just how fucking dumb they truly are.
the eu cannot afford to lose the uk, that is a fact, and brexit would quickly fire up the nascent exit movements in other countries, which is the last thing they want.
a scared merkel and her cronies would very soon be, and i'm sure it has already been discussed, offering the uk some form of placatory and very beneficial "associate membership" rather than cast us adrift mercilessly.
the germans, belgians, dutch, austrians and even the execrable french have said in the past that the demands britain have made over the past few years are perfectly valid demands and that the eu cannot just go on undemocratically usurping power from nation states.
i suspect a brexit might be just what the eu needs in order to curb its excesses of power and bring about the necessary changes that benefit all of europe, and the uk could well end up with the sort of membership terms it has always wanted and is justified in demanding.
time will tell of course, and at the moment i am sitting on the fence but with both feet on the brexit side, whereas a week ago my feet were on the remain side.
i think we should call their bluff, for they need us more than we need them.
any recession, currency collapse or outbreak of bubonic plague would be but a temporary blip and whatever happens it could not be worse than a labour government led by corbyn or macdonald.