60 Minutes: Lone vet returns to Iraq to fight ISIS. “I’m not here serving my country — I’m here serving Christians.”
Onward Christian Soldiers. :)
Lone vet returns to Iraq to fight ISIS - CBS News
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60 Minutes: Lone vet returns to Iraq to fight ISIS. “I’m not here serving my country — I’m here serving Christians.”
Onward Christian Soldiers. :)
Lone vet returns to Iraq to fight ISIS - CBS News
Yeah the religion is one thing we could use to identify ISIS killers by, ISIS supporters by, ISIS arms suppliers by ......... :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by billy the kid
How long have the Catholics, The Protestants, the Buddhists, the Jews .......... been preaching love thy neighbour, do not covet thy neighbours ..., Thou shall not kill......
Doesn't seem to have helped anyone so far.
Hope the changes help.:) I felt an urge to :deadhorsebig:Quote:
Originally Posted by rickschoppers
There's a wee bit more moderation going down in the UK Muslim community of late.
Moderate imams are starting to speak out increasingly, not hordes of them, not even the majority of UK Muslim clerics, but the ones who do speak out, urging tolerance and a re-think of Islamic values as applied in UK, are a growing minority (only to be expected) of clerics are actually trying to make sense of the Sunnah and how it may be applied in non-Muslim lands.
They're brave, as some Sunni factions would regard the moderate Imams as apostates by not following strict Sharia guidelines.
Still, further steps to safeguard Muslim kids from xenophobic indoctrination in Muslim schools in Europe can only come about through cooperation between the Ummah consensus as expressed by the clerics and the relevant state education guidelines.
The same applies to any religion running their own schools, the kids there mustn't be radicalized through early childhood indoctrination as they are at an early age in Islam.
That's gonna be the tough one to monitor, as Muslim kids learn all their religion through repeated recitation and memorization of the Koran, with no discussion or questioning of principles and directives are tolerated.
Another problem in Islam is that a Muslim has to be fluent in Arabic to be able to read and study the Koran, let alone debate or explain it.
This problem was obvious in the Catholic church until a couple of decades or so ago when Mass and much of Catholicism was only available in Latin, meaningless except to the well educated, the rich and powerful.
You and a couple of others on this forum insist on referring to the crusaders as though they are a reality, which they aren't. You're either living in the past or trying to resurrect worn out grievances to further justify yet another program of bullying and beheading of non-Sunni.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
The smacking Islam got from the crusaders in medieval times has never lost its sting, something Muslims have never got over.
Whilst ever the main focus of identifying these people is their religion, how else do you differentiate from the "worlds saviours" except in a similar way.
Meaning?
I still think the grand prize for smacking Muslims around has to go to.......The Mongols.....:sorry1:Quote:
Originally Posted by ENT
Right, we seem to do the opposite to what is preached.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
Dr,Timothy Leary gave me an idea that eventually led to a barn door opening for me.
J. Krisnamurti clarified and opened the barn door even further for me.
Showing me that all religions were manufactured and made the person 2nd. hand.
That it is all propaganda.
Dumping all man-made organised religions requires Doubt about it all, to begin with.
It will never be a mass movement because it has no leaders.
It is only something that a person can sort on their own.
The religious mind does exist in everyone but organised religio prevents that happening.
Org. Reli. are a controlling mechanism created by thought which in itself is a controlling mechanism.
which has got out of hand and has saturated everyday life for most people.
Yes control has its place but today we are bombarded with it from all corners.
If you wanna be free in this world then you gotta drop all the reli. systems.
And clear the mind.
Yes that is right,,, and it never will.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
Growing up in N. Ireland taught me that.
People like to have the security that the propaganda offers.
That there is an afterlife and everything is gonna be honky dory if we all tow the party line.
Which for me is BS.
Just look at the mess we have created today with Judao, Christian and Islam.
We're all building Walls to protect ourselves from each other and the hate is everywhere. Occupying our minds for evermore.
So, it's up to you alone to make up your mind.
Stay with it or dump the lot in the bin.
Saudi Arabia is the heart of evil.
Billy has the right idea. Too bad we can not get the rest of the world on the same page.
Religion is fabricated propaganda that man seems to have a need to believe in.
It would be nice to press the replay button when it comes to religion and see what kind of world it would be.
Yup, then Vlad the Impaler, slaughtered 250,000 Turks in one night of war, let alone pig on a stick ragheads and others all over the place..Quote:
Originally Posted by koman
Those were the days......:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by ENTYup, then Vlad the Impaler, slaughtered 250,000 Turks in one night of war, let alone pig on a sick ragheads and others all over the place..Quote:
Originally Posted by koman
Who pray "protects them from evil"?Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
The Congo is the Heart of Darkness.
The Saudis (Sunni) are well protected by USA and UK, and every Arab country and movement it finances.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
They're the biggest arms importers in the world now.
I am sure Saudi Arabia is getting a little nervous about their proximity to all the ISIS claimed territories. Now with Yemen having problems, it is even closer. It will be interesting to see how they react in months to come.
I would also think one of the few countries that are worried about ISIS is Iran since they seem to be backing them. This could also lead to an interesting dynamic in the near future.
Saudi Arabia has already been involved in Yemen.Quote:
Originally Posted by rickschoppers
Sunni dominated Saudi's building a wall to keep out the likes of ISIS (Sunni), as IS(caliphacy ) would take power off the current biggest shots in the Muslim world, Saudi, and Shia ruled Iran won't have a bar of any Sunn ISISi there, either.Quote:
Originally Posted by rickschoppers
Involved how?
So Saudi is fine if ISIS becomes the dominant faction in Yemen?
I don't think so.
They'll shoot and bomb the hell out of IS if IS decides to take over Yemen, too close to Saudi, which ISIS wants to also take over.
IS has already been warned off by Saudi. Although sharing the same Islamic ideology (Sunni), Saudi, along with US took part in air strikes against ISIS .
Saudi crapshoot in Yemen | Middle East Eye
Saudi Arabia?s Military Involvement in the Yemen Conflict | Global Research
http://www.chathamhouse.org/sites/fi...nIranSaudi.pdf
Yemen falling out of Saudis' grasp - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East
Yemeni implosion pushes southern Sunnis into arms of al-Qaida and Isis | World news | The Guardian
Good articles Nervrna.
The more I read about all the vaious skirmishes going on in the ME, the more I go back to my original statement:
Just let all these muslim factions have at each other and see who is left standing when the smoke clears. Do not go in and offer assistance, for any reason, and let them fight it out amongst themselves.
I know this is a simplistic solution, but how does one choose sides when the factions continue to morph and declare allegiance to other factions on a daily basis? Especially if you have a bad reputation for choosing the wrong side like the US and UK.
The Iranians, Shia Muslims, "backing" ISIS, Sunnis Muslims, interesting proposition. Do you have any info or a source for this suggestion?Quote:
Originally Posted by rickschoppers
You have read the reports of the Iranian/Iraqi military are actually fighting together against ISIS in northern Iraq?
Do you have any info or a source for this suggestion?
The UK's plastic mine sweeper in Bahrain gives the Saudis great comfort I assume. Are the USA and the UK happy about protecting this "evil" countries rulers then?Quote:
Originally Posted by ENT
Mebe it's Strength thru Diversity?
Cornell dean says ISIS welcome on campus in undercover video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-wF9FVxV9w
This guy is either the dumbest Ivy League bigwig ever or politically correct to a fault — for welcoming offers to bring ISIS and Hamas to Cornell University.
A video sting operation shows Cornell’s assistant dean for students, Joseph Scaffido, agreeing to everything suggested by an undercover muckraker posing as a Moroccan student.
Scaffido casually endorses inviting an ISIS “freedom fighter’’ to conduct a “training camp” for students at the upstate Ithaca campus — bizarrely likening the activity to a sports camp.
Is it OK to bring a humanitarian pro-“Islamic State Iraq and Syria” group on campus, the undercover for conservative activist James O’Keefe’s Project Veritas asks.
Sure, Scaffido says in the recorded March 16 meeting.
Scaffido doesn’t even blink an eye when the undercover asks about providing material support for terrorists — “care packages, whether it be food, water, electronics.”
How about supporting Hamas?
No problem at all, Scaffido said.
“The university is not going to look at different groups and say, ‘You’re not allowed to support that group because we don’t believe them’ or something like that. I think it’s just the opposite. I think the university wants the entire community to understand what’s going on in all parts of the world,” Scaffido said.
The undercover asked if he can invite “a freedom fighter to come and do like a training camp for students.”
Scaffido responds, “You would be allowed to do something like that. It’s just like brining in a coach, to do a training, a sports trainer or something,” the Cornell official said.
The State Department includes both ISIS and Hamas on its list of terrorist organizations."
Cornell dean says ISIS welcome on campus in undercover video | New York Post
Perhaps he wants to teach the kids how to do some head-chopping? :chitown:
Scaffido is probably only guilty of being naiive that he wasn't being set up.
It would be good to see/hear the whole video rather than short clips edited together with a narrator to guide the viewers opinions. It seemed to me that in many instances Scaffido was speaking generally, while the editors seemed to want us to believe he was answering specifically about Islamic State fighters.
I hope you aren't suggesting Yuotub videos can be edited to suit a particular viewpoint. That would be undemocratic surely.
"In a statement late Wednesday night, National Security Council spokesperson Bernadette Meehan said:"In support of [Gulf Cooperation Council] actions to defend against Houthi violence, President Obama has authorized the provision of logistical and intelligence support to GCC-led military operations. While U.S. forces are not taking direct military action in Yemen in support of this effort, we are establishing a Joint Planning Cell with Saudi Arabia to coordinate U.S. military and intelligence support."Another "skirmish" or brutal killing war escalating with external parties with the invasion of a soveriegn state by "interested parties". What part of repecting borders is the USA along with 10 other "coalition" partners, not understanding. Is it a lack of map reading skills?
Here is where they are, this is the weapon to use - when you have used it we will resupply you, any casualties just send them to our offshore naval hospital fleet. We will update your generals once we have flown a few more drone missions.
Are the coalition wanting ISIS to attack them. The Houthi are driving out the ISIS/Sunni malita.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/middleeast/al-anad-air-base-houthis-yemen.html?module=Notification&version=BreakingNew s®ion=FixedTop&action=Click&contentCollection=Brea kingNews&contentID=31597844&pgtype=article
It all gets a bit confusing after a while . . . it's Tuesday so it must be <insert country or group here>Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
Indeed . . . missing Saudi Arabia and making a left turn to IraqQuote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
By design maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by OckerRocker
Could well be . . . keep everyone guessing and off-balance.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
So, the Saudis have thrown their weight behind group A so the Americans have to follow.
US has stuck its nose into other nation's political affairs constantly.
After screwing up Cuba and several S. American countries in its obsessive drive to control nearly damned well anything, its meddling has led to now (literally uncountable numbers of unnecessary deaths.
Yemen's the latest Arab country in a growing list of such to be screwed up by USA's interference in their affairs.
Peace will eventually come about if the world stopped interfering in Islamic worlds own political upheavals and simply let them bump eachother off their own way.
The trouble is, is that the US arms industry's gonna lose sales if that happens.
It's all war for profit, ideology and religion are a cover for outright greed for control of resources, there's no just cause for any of that Muslim conflict, the ragheads are mad to engage in such wars and USA's even more insane for egging it all on and getting involved with backing its main Arab ally, Saudi Arabia.
The USA along some Gulf states plus Egypt seemed to have their military in place fro the invasion.
Another proxy war continues in the Yeman countryside. God help them all.
AP News : Turmoil in Yemen escalates as Saudi Arabia bombs rebels
Turmoil in Yemen escalates as Saudi Arabia bombs rebels
"SANAA, Yemen (AP) - The turmoil in Yemen grew into a regional conflict Thursday, with Saudi Arabia and its allies bombing Shiite rebels allied with Iran, while Egyptian officials said a ground assault will follow the airstrikes.
Iran denounced the Saudi-led air campaign, saying it "considers this action a dangerous step," and oil prices jumped in New York and London after the offensive.
The military action turned impoverished and chaotic Yemen into a new front in the rivalry between Saudi Arabia and Iran.
Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the U.S. Adel al-Jubeir said at a news conference in Washington on Thursday that Iran has been a major backer of the Houthis, with Revolutionary Guard officers and operatives from the Iran-backed Lebanese militia Hezbollah on the ground advising the rebels.
Also involved were aircraft from the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, Jordan, Morocco, Sudan and Egypt, though it was not clear which carried out actual strikes.
Once the airstrikes have weakened the rebels and their allies in the military forces loyal to former President Ali Abdullah Saleh, a ground invasion of Yemen is planned by Egyptian Saudi and other forces.
The assault will come from Saudi Arabia and by landings on Yemen's coasts along the Red and Arabian seas, according to three Egyptian military and security officials. Three to five Egyptian troop carriers are stationed offshore, they said, although the number of troops was not specified, and the timing of the operation was not given.
The aim is not to occupy Yemen but to weaken the Houthis and their allies until they enter negotiations for power-sharing, the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk about the plans with the press."
Who is the greatest danger to the ME? USA, ISIS or Iran?
A ground invasion of Yemen really would be a silly idea. Some of the Yemeni army, including special forces units, support the Houtis. And there are more weapons in Yemen than people.
Egypt should have learned its lesson the last time it got involved in Yemen. 25,000 dead Egyptian troops out of 75,000 sent, apparently.
Um once again you are incorrect. The US is not in place to invade Yemen and is not involved in the conflict there. There is no need as the Arab gulf states are doing this one alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
For once it is nice to see that the US is on the sideline in Yemen, Iraq and Syria. Let the muzzies fight it out.
Too right.
For sure, :rolleyes: but never mind keep your dream alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
I was told on this forum, by somebody, that the POTUS decides, himself, which invasion plan to utilise. He, himself, selects from a list, presumably created by his "war machine planners", and the war machine, with it's ability to fight any number of wars simultaneously around the world, jumps into action. Maybe calling on it's prepositioned local bases/floating battle groups , it's recently delivered in country arms caches or if not using the USA's global reach to deliver the necessary battalions of armed, ready and capable personnel and the required intelligence, tactics and hardware for the use of the POTUS's pleasure.
As the leader of the free worlds only super power can sign agreements "guaranteeing" assistance :rolleyes: to it's puppet states.
US is providing intelligence and logistical support to Saudi in bombing da fwk out of the Shia Houthi in Yemen.
Saudi say that they're interfering in another state's politics to prevent outside interference there.
Eh, come again?
The whole deal's wrapped up in US antipathy to Iran (Shia), even after USA helped depose the Shah of Persia(Iran) and allowed the Shia takeover of the country.
So what gives?
Remember what the Masonic symbol means;
The square and dividers, divide and rule.
It appears that the POTUS has demanded that the Iranians, assisting the Iraqi Army etc. to corral ISIS in Tikrit, be removed from the battle as a condition of USA bombing Tikrit.
The Iranian General has left the field of battle and many of the Iranian militias are withdrawing. Gossip suggests it's a way for the Iraqis to lose the battle and thus glowing ISIS fighters the ability to continue with their USA backed fighting.
Others are already commenting that air strikes have been made by the POTUS's air force on the Iranian militias.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2015/03/2...-withdraw.html
"Army Gen. Lloyd Austin, the head of U.S. Central Command, which oversees operations in Iraq, told the Senate Armed Services Committee on Thursday that the United States had insisted that the militias and their Iranian advisers, including top Iranian commander Gen. Qassem Suleimani, withdraw from the battle before the U.S. would agree to launch airstrikes. Suleimani, a once shadowy figure who’d become an increasingly public presence in Iraq, left the Tikrit area over the weekend and may have returned to Iran."
Iraqi Shiite militias balk at offensive if U.S. airstrikes are involved - The Washington Post
https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/581169380597342208
https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/581396614058795008
"The awesome reconnaissance capabilities the U.S. air force uses and its expensive precise weapons managed to directly hit the "friendly forces" which are laying the siege on Tikrit. Twice within less than 24 hours? Who will believe that these direct hits were made in error and are just collateral damage?"
Indeed.
M of A - U.S. Role In Iraq Endangers Anti-Islamic State Fight
You should be old enough not to believe everything people tell you. Especially not on web fora. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
The President can surely impose his own restrictions and or limitations but it would be highly unusual to go against his generals advise.
Sound advice.