What Will It Take To Get Rid Of ISIS?

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Originally Posted by rickschoppers

It will be interesting to see what happens in Tikrit. So far it seems to be moving slowly and ISIS is said to be well dug in.

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Yes, it's going to get ugly, we can count on that. I think Graeme Wood makes a good case for ISIS taking its apocalyptic vision seriously, as difficult as it is for a lot of us, including a lot of Muslims, to get our heads around. Even if some of the deluded fools from North America, Aussie and Europe who realize their mistake would like to run away they will find that very difficult. ISIS relish a fight with the Shia at least as much as they do with us, and in my opinion it is better to let their (nominal) co-religionists sort them out (with indirect support from the west).

Yes, I think it has been well established that a solution must come from within the ranks of the muslim faith. That still leaves the brutal fighting which the west has a part in. I do not think the muslim countries can carry this fight alone, at this point. My personal hope is that they will, at some point but I may be dreaming.

Who do Muslim fighters and governments get their arms from?

Europe, Russia, China, USA,...mainly.

Those four sources of arms are creaming it in.

Stop the supplies.

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Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Yes, I think it has been well established that a solution must come from within the ranks of the muslim faith. That still leaves the brutal fighting which the west has a part in. I do not think the muslim countries can carry this fight alone, at this point. My personal hope is that they will, at some point but I may be dreaming.

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They'll probably say they need more materiel, more training, or something. They don't seem to have the will- Turkey could crush these loonies like a bug, but for some reason doesn't really seem to want to. . .

I do agree with you ENT, but wonder how that can actually be accomplished?

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Originally Posted by robuzo

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Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Yes, I think it has been well established that a solution must come from within the ranks of the muslim faith. That still leaves the brutal fighting which the west has a part in. I do not think the muslim countries can carry this fight alone, at this point. My personal hope is that they will, at some point but I may be dreaming.

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They'll probably say they need more materiel, more training, or something. They don't seem to have the will- Turkey could crush these loonies like a bug, but for some reason doesn't really seem to want to. . .

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Because they are muslim brothers?

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Originally Posted by rickschoppers

That still leaves the brutal fighting which the west has a part in. I do not think the muslim countries can carry this fight alone, at this point.

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Many of the ME countries have had sufficient weapons and training for many years, Why not let them have a go first.

Set a time limit like ........... 2 months. If they haven't cleared it up we can always give both sides a hand with more weapons, training and military know how.

Or is it designed to last another 25 years?

OhOh, it's good for 'business.'

Great idea OhOh, but I don't think the west could keep their noses out of things when there is oil involved

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Originally Posted by OhOh

Or is it designed to last another 25 years?

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Probably,......or more.

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Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Great idea OhOh, but I don't think the west could keep their noses out of things when there is oil involved

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That's the problem, oil for guns.

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Originally Posted by rickschoppers

I do agree with you ENT, but wonder how that can actually be accomplished?

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A long shot,.....public awareness.

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Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Bush the second just wanted to finish what his father started while seeking some revenge for 9/11 at the same time.

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Good grief . . . someone still believes that 9/11 was Sadaam? :rofl:

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Originally Posted by robuzo

Turkey could crush these loonies like a bug, but for some reason doesn't really seem to want to. . .

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Because Turkey views their main fight as being against Assad, and ISIS (and others) are fighting Assad. If/when Assad falls, Turkey's stance might change.

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Originally Posted by ENT

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Originally Posted by rickschoppers

I do agree with you ENT, but wonder how that can actually be accomplished?

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A long shot,.....public awareness.

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Are you referring to awareness that ISIS is not really the organization they portray in their recruitment efforts? I think awareness should be taught to parents along with the signs that their kids may be thinking about joining up. If parents knew these warning signs, I think some of kids that have gone off on a crusade could have been stopped, or at least de-programmed.

Things were a lot more stable in the world with Hussein, Ghadaffi and assad firmly in control wouldn't you say.
They knew a strong arm was needed.
I believe what we see now is part of the long term goal of Al qaidas 9/11 attack.

Koojo, I agree that a strong ruler is nèeded to rule countries like Iraq, Lybia and Syria. Even though destabilization is a covert tactic, it seems the west endorses one pussy leader after another.

Do the powers to be, want these countries stable?

Attack of 9/11 who was it anyway has it been established yet.?

QUOTE=Koojo;2971410]Things were a lot more stable in the world with Hussein, Ghadaffi and assad firmly in control wouldn't you say.
They knew a strong arm was needed.
I believe what we see now is part of the long term goal of Al qaidas 9/11 attack.[/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by Koojo

I believe what we see now is part of the long term goal of Al qaidas 9/11 attack.

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A master plan 15 years to come to fruition and only the Al Qaeda leadership could see where it would lead.

The ultimate goal: some rag tag rebels controlling some bits of rural Iraq and Syria.

And everyone thought the western hegemony was cunning!

They have got nothing on the fiendishly clever Osama!

Bwahahahaha!!

^He has caused humiliation after humiliation to the crusader coalition though.

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Originally Posted by Looper

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Originally Posted by Koojo

I believe what we see now is part of the long term goal of Al qaidas 9/11 attack.

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A master plan 15 years to come to fruition and only the Al Qaeda leadership could see where it would lead.

The ultimate goal: some rag tag rebels controlling some bits of rural Iraq and Syria.

And everyone thought the western hegemony was cunning!

They have got nothing on the fiendishly clever Osama!

Bwahahahaha!!

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Try provoking the United States of Stupid into destabilizing the entire region, removing strong figureheads and creating the conditions for further destabilization and the "Arab Spring" and allowing the growth of fundamentalist Muslim groups.
Not to mention the weakening of the U.S. by causing them to spend trillions on wars and 'homeland security' that the could otherwise have been spent on infrastructure, education and constructive domestic programs.
(for starters)

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Originally Posted by rickschoppers

It will be interesting to see what happens in Tikrit. So far it seems to be moving slowly and ISIS is said to be well dug in.

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The attack by the Iraqi and Iranian military would be assisted by crusader coalition air power. Unfortunately it is impossible due to the wests politican sensitivities to their own populations perception of the actual combatants.

Plus of course the supply drops will mysteriously land in ISIS held areas.:rolleyes:

Plus much of the Iraqi army do not have their hearts in the fight since they are Sunni.

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Originally Posted by OckerRocker

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Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Bush the second just wanted to finish what his father started while seeking some revenge for 9/11 at the same time.

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Good grief . . . someone still believes that 9/11 was Sadaam? :rofl:

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You'd be surprised as to the ignorance that still surrounds this whole affair - and the general ignorance, for that matter.

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Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Plus much of the Iraqi army do not have their hearts in the fight since they are Sunni.

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I'd be surprised if that was the case, Rick. As a country, Iraq has more Shias than Sunnis (almost twice as many Shia as Sunni), and the Iraqi government is dominated by Shia so I would doubt that the army is made up of only Sunnis. What you might find is that some Sunni former members of the Iraqi army are actually fighting for IS.