You know . . . Russia ends up benefitting from the conflict, thousands of Russian troops in the region, renewed power regionally . . . and sidelining Turkey whose influence was increasing.
Sorry, is this another issue you 'don't care about'?
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You know . . . Russia ends up benefitting from the conflict, thousands of Russian troops in the region, renewed power regionally . . . and sidelining Turkey whose influence was increasing.
Sorry, is this another issue you 'don't care about'?
Agree with Sabang. Where would we be without Putin supporting such wonderful leaders of democracy as Lukashenko and Assad. Still, birds of a feather I suppose.
Lukashenko is his pet clown. It is well known that Vlad holds him in contempt. As for Assad the Optometrist, imo you should be grateful he won. If the likes of Isis & AQ had taken over- well, you reckon Europe has refugee problems now? :chitown:
No, because there would be tens of thousands more dead and millions not allowed to leaveQuote:
Originally Posted by sabang
Presumably, that is not what you would want?
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Originally Posted by sabang
The only reason IS emerged in Syria is because he stayed in power with Putin's backing in the few areas he controlled, and bombed the shit out of everyone else.
Desperate people will turn to anyone for help.
Had Putin not kept him in power, the Sunni majority in Syria would have had free and fair elections for the first time in decades and elected a stable representative government.
You really know nothing about the Middle East but your russian propaganda soundbites, do you?
Considering your spectacular record of being utterly wrong about everything geopolitical 'arry, I would just sulk in silence if I were you.
Feeble ad hom response to a 100% accurate post, sabang.
Has Switch been coaching you?
Erm, IS was founded in Iraq because of the American invasion. Seriously, what kinda dumb am I dealing with here ��
Erm, IS was part of AQ before that . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
Please don't, sabang.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
AQ in Iraq came after the US invasion. Dick Cheney would be proud of you though.
You do know Syria isn't in Iraq right?Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
:rofl:
Is this like a "spectacular record" of showing you to be a completely brainwashed fuckwit on almost any international topic?Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
I mean admittedly, I have to do it a lot.
We were talking about Assad, a mass murderer of his own people, and how he’s propped up by Putin.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
Your furious goalpost shifting is very obvious.
AQ was formed in 1988 . . . not sure what your Cheney quip was for.Quote:
Originally Posted by pickel
Unfortunately his usual m.o. nowQuote:
Originally Posted by cyrille
You said ISIS was part of AQ before the US invasion. ISIS was formed in Iraq. AQ didn't exist in Iraq until after the invasion, unless you believe Dick Cheney. And Al Qaeda in Iraq (which is where ISIS arose from) is technically a different organization than Al Qaeda.Quote:
Originally Posted by panama hat
The rise of IS in Iraq was in response to furious revenge attacks from the Shi'a majority on the Sunni minority, in a country where the central government and the military had collapsed.Quote:
Originally Posted by pickel
The rise of IS in Syria, funnily enough, was in response to furious and unwarranted attacks from the Shi'a minority (with Putin's help) on the Sunni majority in a country where the central government and the military had collapsed.
The difference isn't too subtle, but we know sabang is too fucking thick to understand it.
Cheney has nothing to do with anything I've stated, not sure why you harp on about him . . . my response was to sabang's post
I'll just leave the sobbers to their self pity. Assad won, deal with it.
Well, you've both stated that AQ was in Iraq before the US invasion. It's false. Not sure why you can't understand the connection.Quote:
Originally Posted by panama hat
Better to flounce than continue to make yourself look like a fucking idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
:rofl:
In fairness, part of the justification Bush Jr.'s administration repeatedly gave for going into Iraq was because Saddam was very matey with Al Qaeda and had met with them many times on "operational matters".Quote:
Originally Posted by pickel
Since he rarely left Iraq at that time, the implication being that they were visiting him.
These sore loser attempts to rewrite history are as pathetic as they are ludicrous. Good ole' 'arry, larf a minute. :smileylaughing:
The consensus of intelligence experts has been that these contacts never led to an operational relationship, and that consensus is backed up by reports from the independent 9/11 Commission and by declassified Defense Department reports[3] as well as by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, whose 2006 report of Phase II of its investigation into prewar intelligence reports concluded that there was no evidence of ties between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda.[4] Critics of the Bush Administration have said Bush was intentionally building a case for war with Iraq without regard to factual evidence. On April 29, 2007, former Director of Central IntelligenceGeorge Tenet said on 60 Minutes, "We could never verify that there was any Iraqi authority, direction and control, complicity with al-Qaeda for 9/11 or any operational act against America, period."[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein_and_al-Qaeda_link_allegations
The Lie That Won’t Die: Saddam Hussein’s “Relationship” With Al-Qaeda
https://www.theamericanconservative....with-al-qaeda/
What next- Saddam plotting 911? Buying nuclear components in the Congo?? Ya crack me up, Loser. :rofl:
Um.....no. The implication being that Bush and Cheney were full of shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
I'm saying it's they what they implied. Don't be a fucking idiot like sabang, who can barely comprehend simple English it seems.Quote:
Originally Posted by pickel
I said it was their justification you stupid twat.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
As anyone who has been on here long enough knows, I was opposed to the 2003 invasion before it even happened.
It was fucking joke and simply designed to make lots of people lots of money.
I hope that clears it up for imbeciles like you that don't really understand what's going on around them.
Amazed you've still got the gall to show your face around here 'arry. Oh, that's right- you're not showing your face it all. Just a spotty little chickenhawk keyboard warrior spreading his lies and venom from behind a keyboard. You've been Had!! Enjoy that Bitter son. :rofl:
Yet you simply can't leave despite proclaiming how little you care, if at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
Jaysus, sabang . . . chill.
Seeing as you have already read my China agriculture thread PH, you might say I was otherwise occupied. But fatuously trying to recreate the long discredited and monstrous lies we were told to justify the disastrous slaughter in Iraq? Now that is just plain wrong. Nawty boy deserved a spank.
Oh dear, stupid person gets shown to be stupid (yet again) and lashes out.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
Wipe away the tears, snowflake, wipe away the tears.
Chill 'arry- you'll be alright son.
https://pics.me.me/butthurt-special-...t-33199463.png
Now you're going around in circles. We know you're butthurt, but if you weren't so stupid all the time it might improve.
Sure, I must be the one that said Saddam collaborated with AQ. That really must hurt my butt, just like it would anyone that said such a stoopid thing and got pulled up for it. Butt I'll get over it. :chitown:
Oh FFS can't you fucking read?Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
I said it was THEIR JUSTIFICATION.
I never said it was true you retarded fucking cockwomble.
Have you got a brain tumour or something? Your posts get more ridiculous by the day.
Oh, so you just posted long discredited malicious lies for a joke. Some joke.
I'm starting to think you're having some kind of mental breakdown, or you're simply illiterate.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
So how dangerous is Vladimir Putin 'arry?
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Originally Posted by sabang
Or perhaps just retarded.
The LORD has a day off from global politics.
A Kazakhstan copper mining company originally, now listed on the London Stock Exchange, but wanting to develop a mine in Russia.
The President had a meeting with Chairman of the Board of Directors of KAZ Minerals Oleg Novachuk.
December 2, 2021 11:00
The Kremlin, Moscow
"President of Russia Vladimir Putin:
Good afternoon, Mr Novachuk.
Tell me about your company. I know that it operates in the CIS and Russia and that you are about to start a big project in Chukotka.
Chairman of the Board of Directors of KAZ Minerals Oleg Novachuk:
That’s correct.
Vladimir Putin:
Please, go ahead.
Oleg Novachuk:
Our company was founded in Kazakhstan. We started by developing deposits with small amounts of copper but large areas. Today KAZ Minerals is the largest copper producer in Kazakhstan. We also have projects in Kyrgyzstan, where we are the second largest gold producer.
When we started exploring potential areas where our experience could be useful, we researched 92 copper projects around the world and realised that Russia’s potential is simply enormous. We made comparisons, and I wanted to report to you about the Baimskoye field, located north of the Arctic Circle in the Chukotka Autonomous Area, which turned out to be the fourth largest in the world.
You can see from this chart that the first largest is located in America. It is called Pebble. The third largest, Reko Diq, is located in Pakistan. Production at the first mine seems to be impossible because they have been trying to obtain a permit from environmental authorities for 35 years. Most likely, production at this mine will never begin. As for Reko Diq in northwestern Pakistan, for 12 years, it has been a subject of litigation between investors and the local government, which does not report to the central government. So, it is also unclear when production will start.
If we forget about these two mines, our field will be the second largest in the world.
Vladimir Putin:
What about this one?
Oleg Novachuk:
This is Udokan, another deposit in Russia. Essentially, the two largest deposits are located in the right place. I will tell you about our strategy in a bit. Both of these deposits are the right size and located in the right place.
Our Baimskoye field has tremendous reserves, including projected reserves. They amount to 23 million tonnes of copper and 2,000 tonnes of gold. This is possibly the largest copper and gold reserves in the world, since the largest field, Pebble, also contains 2,000 tonnes.
We are planning to develop this deposit for 60 years, and initial production is scheduled for early 2027. We will process 70 million tonnes of ore.
We are planning to build two ore-processing plants with an annual capacity of 35 million tonnes each. They are now seen as the world’s largest. The plan is to produce 400,000 tonnes of copper equivalent annually.
The deposit was discovered in 1972 but has not been developed so far. This can mostly be explained by low copper content in local ores, just 0.5 percent. About 25 years ago, such deposits were not valued, they were not included in balance sheets, and no one even bothered to look at them. By the way, all of the five largest deposits, except Udokan, were not listed among deposits, either.
About 25 years ago, new technologies were developed and large-scale equipment emerged. I will report about this equipment separately. After that, they started looking more closely at these deposits, which became economically viable.
We have another problem here in Russia, and it has to do with infrastructure. Of course, no technology can help when there is absolutely no infrastructure.
The climate, especially in Chukotka, causes the third layer of problems facing such deposits. The problem is that it is possible to deliver a consignment during the four-month navigation season and unload it at a port. However, the deposit is located 600 kilometres away, that is, along a straight line. But the actual distance is even longer. Add to this the marshy terrain in summer, and it is impossible to deliver the shipment.
So, in the end the deliveries are made in winter, when the terrain is frozen. But the navigation season ends and the cargo has to wait. Consequently, I have to buy everything that I need for the next winter season already today, before the contract expires. If anything goes wrong or there’s a miscalculation, the project is delayed by 12 months. And such ambitious large-scale projects as ours …
I just wanted to show you that we have already finished the estimates for this project, and have done the banking, technological and economic feasibility study. We are expecting the project to cost 620 billion rubles or US$8.5 billion. We have already spent 44 billion rubles.
We are planning that tax proceeds worth over one trillion rubles will be added to the budgets at all levels. This would double the Chukotka budget, and the Chukotka Autonomous Area would stop receiving subsidies for the first time.
During construction, we are planning to create about 11,000 jobs, and the project itself is to employ over 5,000 people during its operation.
In addition to this, we are expanding freight traffic volumes via the Northern Sea Route by two million tonnes. These volumes will allow Russia to expand copper production by 25 percent, and national gold output will increase by four percent.
Consequently, this Chukotka project is turning into a vital infrastructure component. Apart from creating jobs for this project, our business will attract other enterprises, including transport companies, public catering companies and service companies. In effect, the project will be surrounded by small and medium-sized businesses, and we have not yet found out how many people will be working alongside us.
Quite possibly, we will be installing broadband internet for the first time in Chukotka’s history. Some areas that I have visited lack not only internet access, they have no telephone lines. As our project requires internet access, the region will also become quite well-off, little by little. I will also report on technologies a bit later.
Of course, we have to accomplish an ambitious task and see to it that this site will be able to use the technologies that we want to introduce there, which requires the creation of the relevant infrastructure.
Of course, I would like to thank you very much for supporting the project to create small floating nuclear power plants. It involves Rosatom and the United Shipbuilding Corporation. We have now established a good partnership with them. These power plants guarantee stable electricity prices for a period of 40 years. This was the most important aspect that attracted us. The nuclear power industry was the only way to estimate the project’s costs and to raise the required funding. We also had some other ideas, but, of course, it is impossible to implement them using some other fuel because prices for all other energy carriers are subject to change.
We have agreed with Rosatom that they will build four barges with the capacity of about 110–115 megawatts each, which means the installed capacity for the construction of floating power plants will be 440 megawatts. One barge will stand in reserve, and three will generate electricity for us.
In addition to this, it is necessary to build a port where these barges will be located. Since we are talking about this, we have thought about this, and we will be building a new port located near us. Originally, we had a plan to use the infrastructure of an existing port: the state planned to construct 860 km of roads to the Pevek port, but it is clear that it would be very difficult to carry two million tonnes by trucks for 800 km.
When I arrived at the site, we mapped out a new one, which is only 400 kilometres from the field – “only” compared with 800 kilometres. Rosatom has offered new technologies. They already have a nuclear power plant in Pevek: the Akademik Lomonosov station. But we are talking about a new generation, that is, they put other, more powerful units there. These are units that work on icebreakers. In fact, this is the same icebreaker, so we considered it possible.
We have agreed that we are building a port, and we are also building a road and 330-kilovolt (kV) power lines thanks to the support of the state: of course, the Russian Government has played a large role here, Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin, and Yury Trutnev [Deputy Prime Minister – Plenipotentiary Presidential Envoy to the Far Eastern Federal District] is also supervising this project.
Vladimir Putin:
Are you included in the Far Eastern concession?
Oleg Novachuk:
Yes, we are, but we have several different lines of cooperation.
First, the Prime Minister instructed the Finance Ministry and the Transport Ministry to allocate 20 billion rubles for waterworks in the construction of the all-year-round port, and we are building the cargo terminal worth 15 billion rubles, so we can see we have public-private partnership here.
Regarding the aerial power line, 29 billion rubles of subsidies have been allocated for the construction, but only for the lines, and we have taken on the responsibility for building substations and switching stations. And if it suddenly turns out that the calculations were incorrect and the 29 billion rubles is not enough, then we will add our own funds. This is a partnership, too.
We have also agreed to build an all-year-round road and split the cost in half: we pay 35 billion and the state allocates another 35 billion as a Far Eastern concession. This means the concession will work in such a way that the state gives us a guarantee, we raise a loan, build this road, and then over a period of 12–15 years, the state pays for this loan, and we serve the interest on this loan. It is also a very flexible, very interesting, unprecedented scheme.
This means we have solved all infrastructure-related issues. But apart from the fact that the infrastructure is useful for our project, the most interesting thing is that for the first time we will have an all-year-round port there, so we can forget about the “winter delivery” term.
Right now talks are underway with Rosatom about constructing a personal icebreaker that would be used on our project, as well as three ice-class vessels that would deliver food and everything necessary all year round. This way we would provide for the continental part of Chukotka.
In addition to this, we also have a road that connects our project with Yakutia. I mean this is an already existing road…
Vladimir Putin:
How many kilometres?
Oleg Novachuk:
About 250 km, if I am not mistaken. This means that Yakutia, this part of Yakutia, will also be connected with the port, and we will be able…
Vladimir Putin:
To deliver there for Yakutia, too.
Oleg Novachuk:
Yes, we can deliver everything for Yakutia, too.
Right now we are working on other ideas involving the road that I would like to consult with you about. We are thinking about how we can build this, which companies we will attract to interact with Russian ones as much as possible. It is clear that Rosatom will provide 100 percent of maintenance, and we will try to work with Russian companies on the construction of roads and power lines, too.
Vladimir Putin:
Okay. Thank you."
Meeting with KAZ Minerals Board Chairman Oleg Novachuk • President of Russia
Did Mr. Oleg Novachuk get the go ahed to the next stage, stay tuned.
Might need Chinese money to get it going. Reckon they might be open to that too, because they will certainly want to secure essential mineral deposits 'close at hand' given the threatening rhetoric being thrown at them these days.