Thread: Contact lost with Malaysia Plane.

China lost plane images 'a mistake'



Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein: "We are in the middle of a crisis situation"


MH370 mystery

Chinese satellite images that were said to show debris from a missing Malaysian airliner were released by mistake, Malaysia's transport minister says.

Hishammuddin Hussein also denied a US report that the plane might have flown for hours after contact was lost with the Boeing 777.

Flight MH370 from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing went missing late on Friday, with 239 passengers and crew on board.

The minister said the disappearance of the plane was unprecedented.

Mr Hussein told reporters at Kuala Lumpur International Airport that the Chinese embassy in Kuala Lumpur had said Beijing's satellite images were released by mistake and "did not show any debris from MH370".



The three Chinese images appeared to show large, floating objects in the South China Sea

The grainy satellite images were released by China's State Administration of Science on Wednesday.

Mr Hussein said efforts to locate the aircraft were ongoing, promising to "spare nothing in our efforts to find MH370".

"There are currently 43 ships and 40 aircraft searching the South China Sea and Straits of Malacca" he said

BBC News - China lost plane images 'a mistake'

So we have China criticizing Malaysia for not doing enough but China then misleads the search efforts by releasing bogus pictures...

Meanwhile the US press is banging on about Malaysia while they themselves are publishing erroneous reports of how long the engines ran for.

Brilliant.

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

mistake

The whole thing has been a series of mistakes from day one. Rather than 100s of sources running off their mouths better to just say the search is on going.

Googled for some info, something to think about;
The seabed in South China Sea boasts its rich varieties of its topographic feature including the vast continental shelf, the continental slope and deep sea basin. The general topographical feature of South China Sea is characterized by its higher northwest part, lower southeast part, trapezoidally descending from peripheral part to the central part, continental shelf at the marginal part of the lozenge basin, the trapezoidally descending continental slope at the outer side of the continental shelf. At the central part of the South China Sea’s sea basin lies a flat deep sea basin. The sea bed ridge alternates with the lower part among which troughs and submarine trenches rise and islands as well as coral reefs are widely distributed.

Continental Shelf

The South China Sea continental shelf, being the gently extending part of Asian continental shelf, mainly lies in the north, west and south parts of the sea area. Because of its gentle topography, the peripheral water depth to the east of Pearl River mouth takes on an average depth of less than 200 meters, while to the west of the river mouth, the peripheral water depth increased with the widening of the water course with a general water depth of over 200 meters and the deepest of 379 meters. Broadly speaking, there are broader continental shelves in the northwest part and southwest part of the sea area, and at the same time, the relatively narrower part in the east.

South China Sea Continental Slope

Being the natural extension of the continental shelf, South China Sea’s continental shelf lies on the peripheral part of the continental shelf, covering a rough area of 1.2 million kilometers which represents 49% of the total, it is the most broadly distributed topographical unit in the South China Sea area. The water depth is between 150 meters to 3,600 meters. There exists a terminal depth of 3,200~3,500 meters in the north east part and north part of the basin, while the other parts sees a terminal depth of 3,800~4,000 meters. Trapezoidally descending is one of the main characteristics of this area. According to the study, five sections of steps arising from South China Sea continental shelf as follows:

300--400-meter steps, such as Dongsha Step and Zhongshashangtai Step;
1000--1500-meter steps, such as Xisha Step located outside of Pearl River mouth and in Xisha Islands;
1500--2000-meter steps, such as Nansha Step mainly located on the southern slope;
2200--2400-meter steps, developed from the western slope and Zhongshaxia Step;
2500--2800-meter steps, distributed on the deep-sea water steps at the rim of the slope.

Affected by the controlling of fragmentation structure in north-east, north-north, east-west and north-west directions, deep-sea troughs, sea-bed plateaus, slope terraces, sea-bed steep slope and sea-bed canyons are developed in this area.
South China Sea’s continental slope consists of the following parts:
(1) North Slope of the Central Basin,
(2) South Continental Slope of Hainan,
(3) South-southeast Slope of the Central Basin,
(4) East Slope of the Central Basin.

Abyssal plain of South China Sea

Abyssal plain, covering a total area of 400 thousand square meters, is located east to the central part of South China Sea. Encompassed by the continental slope or island slope, Bashi Strait boasts a cannel of 2000-meter-deep connecting with the Philippines. Stretching in the direction of northeast-southwest direction, Abyssal plain of South China Sea runs up to 1500 kilometers with the broadest area of 820 kilometers. The plain stretches towards southeast part from the northwest with a 3400-meter-depth in the north part while 4200 meters in the south, quite a few parts exceeds 4400 meters in depth. The plain’s average ratio of slope is 1‰ to 1.3‰, but the ratio of slope in the north central part of the basin is only 0.3‰ to 0.4‰.
There distributed isolated submarine mountains up to 3400~3900 meters high, which is composed of all the isolated peaks dotted in the basin area. There are 27 sea mounts over 1000 meters high as well as more than 20 sea knolls with the heights ranging from 400 meters to 1000 meters on the abyssal plain.
Respectively on the northeast end and southwest end of the abyssal plain lie two deep-water valley floors. At the valley entrance, as at the ends of all submarine valleys, are piled with different abyssal caves. Some of them have been erected to be northeast-toward small scale ridges.
The abyssal plain of South China Sea, in terms of its topographical structure, is the part forming from the deep layer of basalt’s compensating upwelling caused by the tearing occurred at the rim of Asian continent. There still exists a series of volcano erupting activities along the grand northeast crevice in the central and east part of the plain.

The Topographic Feature of the Sea-bed in South China Sea

This is the back of a 10 ringgit note for those who haven't seen one, there is a newer one out but there's still loads of these in circulation.

Eerie

Originally Posted by Ronin

Anybody know anything about the topography of the ocean floor in the area where the plane was last 'seen' on radar? Just a passing thought.

It's a little bit further south that where we have all the data, but not too far.

The Gulf Of Thailand down to the Malaysian border is sand, soft and relatively flat.

No more than 100m deep.

Well done, Thailand

Thailand
1 patrol boat and 1 helicopter

probably no money for fuel as it would have been spent on shopping trips to london and hong kong

Makes you appreciate what we have in Europe ..
100% cooperation, trust between nation states

If this had happened of the coast of France all neighbours would be pooling resources.

The SE Asians with their savage backwards face-saving have probably fcked any chance of closure for 200 families.


Interestingly enough the Malaysian Airforce has expensive top of the range export fighters like Sukhoi SU-30s and F-18s but they don't have a couple of cheap maritime surveillance aircraft like the P-8 which would have been invaluable in the few hours after the loss

Malaysia Strong!!!
Malaysia have F-18!!
Malaysia have Face!!

Originally Posted by Warrior

Originally Posted by Necron99

Good article here. Was there a problem with the MH370 Boeing 777-200 aircraft? | Lowyat.NET

Very plausible theory in this link. Thanks for sharing.

That would be a good reason for grounding the 777 fleet until they were all checked.

Boeing won't allow that without lots of kicking and screaming.....

I would have expected the crew to be okay until the pressure dropped to klaxon warning though.

Originally Posted by Troy

Originally Posted by Warrior

Originally Posted by Necron99

Good article here. Was there a problem with the MH370 Boeing 777-200 aircraft? | Lowyat.NET

Very plausible theory in this link. Thanks for sharing.

That would be a good reason for grounding the 777 fleet until they were all checked.

Boeing won't allow that without lots of kicking and screaming.....

I would have expected the crew to be okay until the pressure dropped to klaxon warning though.

Helios 522.

Pentagon says U.S.S. Kidd is moving to the Strait of Malacca.

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

Who knows how accurate this is...



Vietnam Navy says Malaysia Airlines plane crashes off Tho Chu Island | Tu

The Malaysia Airlines flight carrying 239 people from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing Saturday crashed off Vietnam’s Tho Chu Island, northwest off the country’s southernmost Cape Ca Mau, the Vietnamese High Command of Navy announced.
According to a High Command of Navy statement, the plane went down at the waters between Vietnam and Malaysia, some 153 nautical miles (300km) off Tho Chu Island in Kien Giang Province.
The Naval Zone 5 is ready for the search and rescue mission.
There were no immediate reports of casualty.
The flight MH370 disappeared at 2:40 am local time (1840 GMT Friday), about two hours after leaving Kuala Lumpur International Airport, according to AFP. It had been due to arrive in Beijing at 6:30 am local time (2230 GMT Friday).
It was carrying 227 passengers, including two infants, from 13 different nationalities, and 12 crew members. China's state television said 158 of the passengers were Chinese.

I can tell you how old it is. Look at the date.

Just one small point. The Americans will remember how the Egyptians did their best to cover up the suicide by pilot that took down Egypt Air 990.

What price them wanting to recover the FDR and CVR first and copy the contents before handing them to the Malaysians, who for damned sure would want to cover up such an event (and obviously that event is hypothetical but not ruled out at the moment)?

And of course the Malaysians would want to pin it on Boeing, which would not be good news.

Originally Posted by Necron99

Personally, I think this supports the pilot guys theory on slow decompression causing them to all black out and a plane full of brain dead passengers and crew just flying on until the fuel ran out.

Yes...Gallowspole suggested that on page 20, posts #496, 497...

On the plus side they are running out of oceans and sea's to check.
Narrowing the search down nicely,on the serious side hope the solve the mystery soon,for the families sake.

Originally Posted by klong toey

On the plus side they are running out of oceans and sea's to check.
Narrowing the search down nicely,on the serious side hope the solve the mystery soon,for the families sake.

Narrowing it down to 27,000 sq nm?

Ooooooooooooo Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk.....

Can you imagine, if by some freak chance (like seven 19's in a row on roulette), the plane landed safely and they all survived?...

More than the Chilean miners coming out of their would-be grave, they would be sublime heros, all...

There is nowhere where a runway large enough to land safely that it would be seen,it would be spotted by many with mobile phones or wifi and soon a message would be sent.
North Korea may be the only suspect,but their air space must be the most heavily watched in the world.

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Well done, Thailand

They went home along with Vietnam. Told Malaysians they would be back when they get their shit together.

Originally Posted by prawnograph

Bomoh uses 'magic carpet' to find Boeing

Updated: Friday March 14, 2014 MYT 7:25:00 AM
PETALING JAYA: Hospital Kuala Lumpur (HKL) has not suspended the three nurses for spoofing bomoh Ibrahim Mat Zin in a photo that has since gone viral on social media.
However, a detailed investigation is being conducted, said HKL director Datuk Dr Zaininah Mohd Zain.
The three nurses were among many who had parodied the "magic carpet" set up by Ibrahim and his followers at KL International Airport.

more variations on the bomoh antics





are they the bamboo binoculars?

Gotta love it...But sorry for those involved with the tragedy...

Officials: Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 plane may have flown for hours - CNN.com

Officials: Malaysian plane may have flown long after last contact