Thread: Homophobia - Progressive Intimidation?

Rick - if you think homosexuality is disgusting and abnormal, just stop doing it.

I think worrying about what other people get up to in bed is also disgusting and abnormal. That's why I don't do it.

Originally Posted by RickThai

hazz,

You need to learn to read the post my closely. Nowhere did I state homosexuals were immoral. I just stated that homosexuality was un-natural (think basic biology/precreation - the natural reason for male to female sexual attraction).

I really can't be bothered to read any more of your ridiculous, self serving attempts to justify your bigotry - others are doing an excellent job for showing you up for the fool that you clearly are.

However, I will just chip in on tis point, as you have touched upon the biology a couple of times.

Firstly, homosexuality (same gender sex) is actually pretty commoninthe animal kingdom. At least 1,500 different SPECIES have been shown to have some sort of same sex homosexual interactions. It is well documented that 10% of male sheep (rams) are EXCLUSIVELY homosexual.

25% of swan pairings are (male) homosexual,
60% of sexual contacts in bonobos (monkeys) are female-female, dolphins, elephants, giraffes ALL partake of same sex sexual play or bonding.

So, please, STOP with the "its against nature" crap.

Current theories show that there are good, evolutionary reasons why same sex pairings can be beneficial to the species, based upon shared genetic inheritence. Brush up on your genetics and we can discus it further.

As a final point, anyone who brings up religious crap to support their other crap needs to take a long hard look at the rubbish they are talking.

Well there is some scientific evidence which indicates differences in the hypothalimus of homos.
Hence suporting the nature argument.
Interesting article here: Homosexuality: Nature or Nurture in AllPsych Journal

Regarding homophobia I agree that it shouldn't be part of preschool or grade school curiculum and that gay pride parades might better in Odessa Texas and not in front of Disneyworld.

Yet on the other hand some African cultures the right of passage into manhood involves boys being sodomized by the elders before turning 15 years old.

I agree with the OP that we are indeed witnessing a cultural transformation where homosexuality is not only pushed as normal but socially encouraged.
I wont be long before it will be acceptable to sodomize all school age children as a right of passage. That seems to me where it is all going.
Right or wrong it is what it is, what people do with each other buttholes is thier own business and should be kept that way.
I certainly dont think stringing homos from lightposts is particularly civilized.
The thing about homosexuals is that since they cant reproduce by nature they are forced to recruit.

Originally Posted by mao say dung

Originally Posted by RickThai

So which one do you think I am breaking?

No one cares.

Oh, RickThai cares, a lot. It's almost as if he can't stop thinking about it. Maybe he should go back to his career as a badass knife fighter, because if you are a real tough guy nobody will ever call you queer.

Originally Posted by RickThai

The 5 precepts for a lay Buddhists are: 1) Do not steal 2) Do not lie 3) Do not commit adultery 4) Do not kill 5) Do not become intoxicated. So which one do you think I am breaking?

None specifically but above just five of hundreds which fall under the basic law.

"Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful."
Udana-Varga 5,1

I do find his double standards amusing. He's asking which of the 5 rules he breaking, as if thats all He has to comply with, without giveing a second thought to exstly the same argument could be used by a homosexual.

As Ive said, nobody gets to hate gays and gayness this must unless they are a closet gay who hates his own immorality. A point somewhat strengthened by his only objection to my post explaining this to him was "where did I say homosexulity was immoral". And to answer that question is rick you made it quite clear that you regard homosexuality as immoral when you start using worlds like unnatural, deviant and your attempts to demonstrate that various religions regard homosexuality immoral.

As I said rick, its blinding obvious to most of us that you are gay, stop fighting it, accept the reality, stop living the lie and you will be much happier for it.

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

we certainly wouldn't lobby politicians to pass laws to promote and protect our given sexual preferences ?

Not even if you felt that you were the object of irrational prejudice?

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

I will never understand how what is basically a sexual preference has been elevated to the status it has to the point where they now even legislate in it's favour. My sexual preference is for big tit's, my mates loves little pert bottoms and another mate likes feet. Now none of us feel the need to inform everyone of our sexual preferences at every opportunity nor do we try to force others to accept our sexual preferences and we certainly wouldn't lobby politicians to pass laws to promote and protect our given sexual preferences so why the fcuk do gay people ?
I couldn't give a monkeys what two consenting adults get up to in the privacy of their own homes but why does everyone have to be told about it all the time.
Why do we need to know that a singer is gay or an actor or a footballer etc. What has liking sex with the same sex as yourself got to do with singing, acting or playing football ?
ABSOLUTELY F ALL !
Maybe if gays simply got on with their lives without telling the world their sexual preference at each opportunity they wouldn't get so much stick.
And as much as the politically correct Nazi's would have you believe and as much as they legislate in it's favour the vast majority of the public will tolerate it at best.
Oh and just because you disagree with it doesn't make you homophobic it simply means you have a different opinion.
I for one wouldn't want something the size of my cock banging the fcuk out of my arse that's for sure but as said each to their own

Wow, are you a troll?

Do you know how many hate crimes happen because someone may think you are gay? It is scary how much prejudice gay people have to put up with. Most of them just want to have the same rights as heterosexual couples..and why shouldn't they.

I have many gay friends (gay men and me get along), and they put up with shit you wouldn't even imagine. If they want to be gay and proud then that is their choice.

^But, but... you can't know the pain of being beaten up because you like big tits. And how about all those countries that make it illegal to prefer them pert little soap-bubbles?

Get real, eh!

Originally Posted by RickThai

On another thread, I was called a raging homophobe (as well as nasty, horrible, and intolerant) because I posted some opinions on homosexuality that were not politically correct.

The observations I made were:

a) I personally think a man inserting his penis in another man's arsehole is disgusting.

b) Homosexuality is a form of deviant sex that is unnatural and is probably due to a physical or psychological disorder.

Having stated that, I also stated that I had no issues with same-sex marriage.

Now the term "homophobia" is widely used by liberals to describe anyone who says anything critical of homosexuals.

It is certainly a misnomer as "phobia" means an "unreasonable fear". Most of the people I know who are critical of homosexuality have absolutely no fear of homosexuals; they just object to homosexuality for reasons of religion, etc.

I believe the net results of accusations of "homophobe", much like accusations of "racist" is to stifle healthy discussion and intimidate people from voicing opposing views. This form of intimidation is widely used by liberals and other so-called progressives.

By stifling discussion I think they are doing a disservice to homosexuals and minorities, and society in general, because issues can never be resolved without open and honest discussion.

As for my statements/opinions on homosexuality, I believe my personal disgust on the physical aspects of male-to-male sex, is a natural reaction (much like aversion to feces because of smell, etc. is nature's way of telling you not to eat your own waste).

As to homosexuality being deviant sex, studies estimate that less than 7% of human beings are homosexual. From a statistical standpoint, that would certainly be considered "deviant".

As far as believing homosexuality is unnatural. Biology teaches that the strongest instincts most mammals display are those of self-preservation and preservation of species. Sometimes preservation of species actually trumps self-preservation. Homosexuality completely goes against preservation of species, (and due to HIV/AIDS) and also puts those individuals into a high risk category. Therefore, homosexuality seems pretty un-natural to me.

In any event, the soundness of my logic/observations aside, why do liberals/progressive try to drown out or stifle any meaningful dialog that is contrary to theirs?

Comments?

RickThai

Hey buddy, you are allowed your opinion, but it is usually the people that think like you that tend to be the ones to start hate crimes. Bullying, and violence has been a major problem in the US these days.

Unnatural stuff happens, but it is a choice people make.
Ladyboys are un-natural to me, but they are in abundance in Thailand and other SEAsian countries. I don't knock them down at all because of it. It is their right, and it is amazing how they are more accepted for who they are in Thai culture. If you had ladyboys in the west, they'd surely be in the minority and most likely hated for being different.

Originally Posted by MissTraveller

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

I will never understand how what is basically a sexual preference has been elevated to the status it has to the point where they now even legislate in it's favour. My sexual preference is for big tit's, my mates loves little pert bottoms and another mate likes feet. Now none of us feel the need to inform everyone of our sexual preferences at every opportunity nor do we try to force others to accept our sexual preferences and we certainly wouldn't lobby politicians to pass laws to promote and protect our given sexual preferences so why the fcuk do gay people ?
I couldn't give a monkeys what two consenting adults get up to in the privacy of their own homes but why does everyone have to be told about it all the time.
Why do we need to know that a singer is gay or an actor or a footballer etc. What has liking sex with the same sex as yourself got to do with singing, acting or playing football ?
ABSOLUTELY F ALL !
Maybe if gays simply got on with their lives without telling the world their sexual preference at each opportunity they wouldn't get so much stick.
And as much as the politically correct Nazi's would have you believe and as much as they legislate in it's favour the vast majority of the public will tolerate it at best.
Oh and just because you disagree with it doesn't make you homophobic it simply means you have a different opinion.
I for one wouldn't want something the size of my cock banging the fcuk out of my arse that's for sure but as said each to their own

Wow, are you a troll?

Do you know how many hate crimes happen because someone may think you are gay? It is scary how much prejudice gay people have to put up with. Most of them just want to have the same rights as heterosexual couples..and why shouldn't they.

I have many gay friends (gay men and me get along), and they put up with shit you wouldn't even imagine. If they want to be gay and proud then that is their choice.

I have gay friends so what ? maybe if as said they didn't ram their sexuality down everyones throat at every opportunity people wouldn't give them shit as they wouldn't know would they ? I was an emergency stand in best man at a same sex beach wedding and employed a gay guy for over 3 years so spare me the homophobic crap I just don't know why their sexuality always comes first ?
They already have the exact same rights as everyone else so just what do they want ? As said I couldn't give a monkeys what they do they are welcome to it just stop the fcuk telling me and everyone else about it all the time.
LEAVE IT IN THE BEDROOM !

Originally Posted by MissTraveller

Unnatural stuff happens, but it is a choice people make.

Don't worry all you non-heterosexuals, "MissTraveller" is here to defend you - so long as you know you are an "un-natural" perverts.

oh I forgot ! I notice you failed to inform us why I need to know a certain actor, singer or football players likes sex with their own kind ? What has their sex life got to do with anything ?

Originally Posted by mao say dung

^But, but... you can't know the pain of being beaten up because you like big tits. And how about all those countries that make it illegal to prefer them pert little soap-bubbles?

Get real, eh!

But but maybe its because nobody knows I like big tits as I don't feel the need to tell every fcuker I meet I like big tits ! I'm pretty sure that if I kept harping on about loving big tits often enough then someone would get pissed off and give me a slap !

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

They already have the exact same rights as everyone else so just what do they want ?

That's bullshit. So, why is it that a few of my gay friends had to come up to Canada because they couldn't even get married in their own state?

And yes, I'd give you a slap nad I don't even have big tits.

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

I have gay friends so what ? maybe if as said they didn't ram their sexuality down everyones throat at every opportunity people wouldn't give them shit

I have never known a single one of my gay friends ever refer to their sexual practices in the bedroom.

Do they with you?
Why?
Do you ask them?

Originally Posted by The Ghost Of The Moog

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

we certainly wouldn't lobby politicians to pass laws to promote and protect our given sexual preferences ?

Not even if you felt that you were the object of irrational prejudice?

It's all about conditioning and promotion thereof...
A learned and propagated trait.

Ask a child about such irrational and illogical fear and prejudices...

Originally Posted by peterpan

I regard my current position as comfortably homophobic. I am undeniably homophobic.
But I don't let that get in way of my normal perception of others.

Originally Posted by peterpan

I don't regard it as a contradiction.
I have reached the age where I am comfortable with certain type of behaviors.

Originally Posted by peterpan

although I derive a little pleasure at gently mocking them.

You may have become more tolerant, but you obviously aren't any more accepting. There is a huge difference.

You still disapprove, you just can't be bothered to dedicate as much time to it any more.

I stand by my statement that you are being contradictory. It does get in the way of how you perceive people, you just react to that perception differently now is all.

Which is better, but still not good IMO.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

homosexuality (same gender sex) is actually pretty commoninthe animal kingdom

Animals also commit commit cannibalism ( including eating thier offspring or even recent sexual partner) , killing thier rivals , breeding with thier own family , shitting all over the place etc .
don't make it right .

When good homophobes say it goes against nature they mean , what part nature intended for humans .

Originally Posted by MissTraveller

If you had ladyboys in the west, they'd surely be in the minority and most likely hated for being different.

you saying Thais don't hate them too ?
beware of the politically correct trait of speaking for others

Originally Posted by MissTraveller

I have many gay friends (gay men and me get along), and they put up with shit you wouldn't even imagine. If they want to be gay and proud then that is their choice.

So you have prejudice towards liking gay men.

How do you know what we are able to imagine ?

What if i want to be a homophobic hater and proud , why isn't that my choice too ?

Originally Posted by hazz

As Ive said, nobody gets to hate gays and gayness this must unless they are a closet gay who hates his own immorality.

Substitute the word paedophile for gay , and you will see how silly that statement is , ie
anyone who hates paedos must be a closet paedo

Originally Posted by hazz

I do find his double standards amusing

as I find yours .

Originally Posted by RickThai

What I find frightening is that children are growing up thinking "men buttfukcing other men" and "giving each other blowjobs" is just another safe, healthy alternative to human sexuality.

well, as gays are humans, their sexuality is all part of "human sexuality"

how do you know what gay men do for sex, Rick? you seem well informed

Originally Posted by blue

politically correct

Originally Posted by blue

politically correct

Originally Posted by blue

politically correct

Have you had some kind of bet with someone, as to how many times per day you can say that tired, over used phrase?

Most people are intelligent enough to make up their own minds what they believe to be right and wrong. The only people the "political correctness" idea actually affects is people like you. People who childishly rebel against a perceived controlling force, that only actually exists inside your own head.

Originally Posted by blue

What if i want to be a homophobic hater and proud

Then you are more than welcome to. Thankfully though, because the law is designed to appeal to most normal people, you can only do it in a manner like this. On an internet forum where everyone will ridicule you for your moronic beliefs.

If you wanted to turn your feelings in to anything that anybody would ever notice, you would be breaking the law and would be dealt with accordingly.

So you carry on being proud of being a forum racist and homophobe. You are having about as much affect on the world as the tiny spider that just crawled across my laptop.

Normality soldiers on. Whether you choose to come along for the ride or be left coughing and spluttering in the dust, is entirely your call, and matters little to anybody.

Originally Posted by hazz

No the real question is rick, when did you start noticing you fancied men far more than women and what made it so hard

errmm

Originally Posted by blue

If they are so clever why can't they even pinpoint what causes the male defect of homosexuality?

maybe because it is not a defect?

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

I will never understand how what is basically a sexual preference has been elevated to the status it has to the point where they now even legislate in it's favour.

Originally Posted by MissTraveller

Do you know how many hate crimes happen because someone may think you are gay? It is scary how much prejudice gay people have to put up with. Most of them just want to have the same rights as heterosexual couples..and why shouldn't they.

that is the answer, for equal rights and no discrimination

that is hardly legislating in its favour, more like redressing the balance