^ Ahh yes, good point! Patriotism as indoctrination and subservience of the individual to idealogical forces and propaganda.
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^ Ahh yes, good point! Patriotism as indoctrination and subservience of the individual to idealogical forces and propaganda.
Ollie is a Patriot in the sense he was able (along w/Ronald Reagan) to free them I-Rainian hostages, eh?:rolleyes:
...'nuff said 'bout Jimmah
I didn't know that North was involved in the hostage situation, which took place from 1980-81.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
Iran-Contra came later: secretly selling arms to Iran to fund the Contras in Nicaragua.
That's right, Ollie (aka the Patriot) brokered a deal with Iran/Nicaragua to free the hostages when Reagan took office.Quote:
Originally Posted by MilkmanI didn't know that North was involved in the hostage situation, which took place from 1980-81.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
Iran-Contra came later: secretly selling arms to Iran to fund the Contras in Nicaragua.
Which involved giving them weapons. Way to send a message, arm your enemies! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
Still to be fair the situation was resolved and Ollie was good enough to take time out away from his other "patriotic" duties. Like narcotics trading. :)
I stand to be corrected Boon,Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon MeeThat's right, Ollie (aka the Patriot) brokered a deal with Iran/Nicaragua to free the hostages when Reagan took office.Quote:
Originally Posted by MilkmanI didn't know that North was involved in the hostage situation, which took place from 1980-81.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
Iran-Contra came later: secretly selling arms to Iran to fund the Contras in Nicaragua.
but I thought that Iran-Contra occurred during the mid-80s, after Congress had halted financial support for the Contras. That's when Reagan circumvented it using the arm sales.
The American hostages were released the day of Reagan's inauguration in January of 1981.
and boonie calls him a patriot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Milkman
remind me again how badly he got his ass kicked in that election in virginia a few years back.
Well, the Patriots are going to get their asses kicked on Feb. 3rd by the N.Y. Giants in the Superbowl - so?:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by raycarey
^ FO, I'm for the Patriots. 555
the point boonie, is that north is a criminal and the voters of VA saw that clearly. it's only far right radicals like yourself who continue to lionize north and attempt gloss over his crimes.
Oliver North is anything but a criminal in any sense of the term. He did what bleeding-hearts like yourself could not do and got the job done. Ask the hostages who were released from the embassy if he's a 'criminal'...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by raycarey
Drug running and illegal arms trading not fit your definition of "criminal" then Booners? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
Right-wing blogs have quite a narrow view on most issues there, ol' Boon. The voters disagree...Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
Boon,Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon MeeOliver North is anything but a criminal in any sense of the term. He did what bleeding-hearts like yourself could not do and got the job done. Ask the hostages who were released from the embassy if he's a 'criminal'...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by raycarey
Can you please provide a link that show Ollie North was involved in the Hostage release in Jan. of 1981?
Thanks.
Link? Link?Quote:
Originally Posted by MilkmanBoon,Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon MeeOliver North is anything but a criminal in any sense of the term. He did what bleeding-hearts like yourself could not do and got the job done. Ask the hostages who were released from the embassy if he's a 'criminal'...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by raycarey
Can you please provide a link that show Ollie North was involved in the Hostage release in Jan. of 1981?
Thanks.
Go back and read the Iran-Contra Hearings summations - jeeze M/M - it is public record...
well boonie?Quote:
Originally Posted by AntRobertson
Lying to Congress & getting impeached does make you a common criminal though.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by raycarey
Clinton was not proven guilty during the Impeachment. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon MeeLying to Congress & getting impeached does make you a common criminal though.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by raycarey
You're entertaining, Boon.
Not citing any rightwing blogs here Stroll but my own and the majority of folks interpretation of the events. Jimmah had 4 years in office to get those hostages released and could not pull his thumb out. It took a guy like Ollie & Ronald Reagan backing him up to get the job done. BTW, Bubba was found guilty - recall the spunk-stained blue dress and Lewinsky's testimony?:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by stroller
As has been pointed out it didn't seem to hold much water with the majority of Virginia voters. 'Virginian Values', eh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
It was a tragic loss...:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by AntRobertson
Jimmah had four years in Office, but the Iran hostages were held for 444 days, from Nov. 4th 1979 to Jan 20 1981, when they were released. Or the final one third of his term.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee;514858Not citing any rightwing blogs here Stroll but my own and the majority of folks interpretation of the events. Jimmah had 4 years in office to get those hostages released and could not pull his thumb out. It took a guy like Ollie & Ronald Reagan backing him up to get the job done. BTW, Bubba [I
"The crisis ended with the signing of the Algiers Accords in Algeria on January 19, 1981. The hostages were formally released into United States custody the following day, just minutes after the new American president Ronald Reagan was sworn in."
Iran hostage crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Why do so many of you go on as if the release of the Hostages was a triumph of the Reagan administration- it had nothing to do with him, hell he had not even taken his seat in the Oval Office when the deal was thrashed out. :confused:
^^
A crushing loss, to hear it be told.
Because, Iran saw Carter as weak (which he was) and thus had America over a barrel. They knew in their dark little wat jai's, Ronnie would do something a little more agressive?:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
So you're basing your comment that: "It took a guy like Ollie & Ronald Reagan backing him up to get the job done" on what you guess what the Iranians would've guessed that Reagan would've possibly done... At a guess. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee