Thread: San Francisco Values

^ Ahh yes, good point! Patriotism as indoctrination and subservience of the individual to idealogical forces and propaganda.

Ollie is a Patriot in the sense he was able (along w/Ronald Reagan) to free them I-Rainian hostages, eh?

...'nuff said 'bout Jimmah

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Ollie is a Patriot in the sense he was able (along w/Ronald Reagan) to free them I-Rainian hostages, eh?

...'nuff said 'bout Jimmah

I didn't know that North was involved in the hostage situation, which took place from 1980-81.

Iran-Contra came later: secretly selling arms to Iran to fund the Contras in Nicaragua.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

That's right, Ollie (aka the Patriot) brokered a deal with Iran/Nicaragua to free the hostages when Reagan took office.

Which involved giving them weapons. Way to send a message, arm your enemies!

Still to be fair the situation was resolved and Ollie was good enough to take time out away from his other "patriotic" duties. Like narcotics trading.

Originally Posted by Milkman

Congress had halted financial support for the Contras. That's when Reagan circumvented it using the arm sales.

and boonie calls him a patriot.

remind me again how badly he got his ass kicked in that election in virginia a few years back.

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by Milkman

Congress had halted financial support for the Contras. That's when Reagan circumvented it using the arm sales.

and boonie calls him a patriot.

remind me again how badly he got his ass kicked in that election in virginia a few years back.

Well, the Patriots are going to get their asses kicked on Feb. 3rd by the N.Y. Giants in the Superbowl - so?

^ FO, I'm for the Patriots. 555

the point boonie, is that north is a criminal and the voters of VA saw that clearly. it's only far right radicals like yourself who continue to lionize north and attempt gloss over his crimes.

Originally Posted by raycarey

the point boonie, is that north is a criminal and the voters of VA saw that clearly. it's only far right radicals like yourself who continue to lionize north and attempt gloss over his crimes.

Oliver North is anything but a criminal in any sense of the term. He did what bleeding-hearts like yourself could not do and got the job done. Ask the hostages who were released from the embassy if he's a 'criminal'...

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Oliver North is anything but a criminal in any sense of the term

Drug running and illegal arms trading not fit your definition of "criminal" then Booners?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Oliver North is anything but a criminal in any sense of the term.

Right-wing blogs have quite a narrow view on most issues there, ol' Boon. The voters disagree...

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by raycarey

the point boonie, is that north is a criminal and the voters of VA saw that clearly. it's only far right radicals like yourself who continue to lionize north and attempt gloss over his crimes.

Oliver North is anything but a criminal in any sense of the term. He did what bleeding-hearts like yourself could not do and got the job done. Ask the hostages who were released from the embassy if he's a 'criminal'...

Boon,

Can you please provide a link that show Ollie North was involved in the Hostage release in Jan. of 1981?

Thanks.

Originally Posted by Milkman

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by raycarey

the point boonie, is that north is a criminal and the voters of VA saw that clearly. it's only far right radicals like yourself who continue to lionize north and attempt gloss over his crimes.

Oliver North is anything but a criminal in any sense of the term. He did what bleeding-hearts like yourself could not do and got the job done. Ask the hostages who were released from the embassy if he's a 'criminal'...

Boon,

Can you please provide a link that show Ollie North was involved in the Hostage release in Jan. of 1981?

Thanks.

Link? Link?
Go back and read the Iran-Contra Hearings summations - jeeze M/M - it is public record...

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Drug running and illegal arms trading not fit your definition of "criminal" then Booners?

well boonie?

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Drug running and illegal arms trading not fit your definition of "criminal" then Booners?

well boonie?

Lying to Congress & getting impeached does make you a common criminal though.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Drug running and illegal arms trading not fit your definition of "criminal" then Booners?

well boonie?

Lying to Congress & getting impeached does make you a common criminal though.

Clinton was not proven guilty during the Impeachment.

You're entertaining, Boon.

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Oliver North is anything but a criminal in any sense of the term.

Right-wing blogs have quite a narrow view on most issues there, ol' Boon. The voters disagree...

Not citing any rightwing blogs here Stroll but my own and the majority of folks interpretation of the events. Jimmah had 4 years in office to get those hostages released and could not pull his thumb out. It took a guy like Ollie & Ronald Reagan backing him up to get the job done. BTW, Bubba was found guilty - recall the spunk-stained blue dress and Lewinsky's testimony?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

my own and the majority of folks interpretation of the events

As has been pointed out it didn't seem to hold much water with the majority of Virginia voters. 'Virginian Values', eh.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

my own and the majority of folks interpretation of the events

As has been pointed out it didn't seem to hold much water with the majority of Virginia voters. 'Virginian Values', eh.

It was a tragic loss...

Originally Posted by Boon Mee;514858Not citing any rightwing blogs here Stroll but my own and the majority of folks interpretation of the events. Jimmah had 4 years in office to get those hostages released and could not pull his thumb out. It took a guy like Ollie & Ronald Reagan backing him up to get the job done. BTW, Bubba [I

was[/I] found guilty - recall the spunk-stained blue dress and Lewinsky's testimony?

Jimmah had four years in Office, but the Iran hostages were held for 444 days, from Nov. 4th 1979 to Jan 20 1981, when they were released. Or the final one third of his term.

"The crisis ended with the signing of the Algiers Accords in Algeria on January 19, 1981. The hostages were formally released into United States custody the following day, just minutes after the new American president Ronald Reagan was sworn in."

Iran hostage crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why do so many of you go on as if the release of the Hostages was a triumph of the Reagan administration- it had nothing to do with him, hell he had not even taken his seat in the Oval Office when the deal was thrashed out.

^^

A crushing loss, to hear it be told.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by Boon Mee;514858Not citing any rightwing blogs here Stroll but my own and the majority of folks interpretation of the events. Jimmah had 4 years in office to get those hostages released and could not pull his thumb out. It took a guy like Ollie & Ronald Reagan backing him up to get the job done. BTW, Bubba [I

was[/i] found guilty - recall the spunk-stained blue dress and Lewinsky's testimony?

Jimmah had four years in Office, but the Iran hostages were held for 444 days, from Nov. 4th 1979 to Jan 20 1981, when they were released. Or the final one third of his term.

"The crisis ended with the signing of the Algiers Accords in Algeria on January 19, 1981. The hostages were formally released into United States custody the following day, just minutes after the new American president Ronald Reagan was sworn in."

Iran hostage crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why do so many of you go on as if the release of the Hostages was a triumph of the Reagan administration- it had nothing to do with him, hell he had not even taken his seat in the Oval Office when the deal was thrashed out.

Because, Iran saw Carter as weak (which he was) and thus had America over a barrel. They knew in their dark little wat jai's, Ronnie would do something a little more agressive?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Because, Iran saw Carter as weak (which he was) and thus had America over a barrel. They knew in their dark little wat jai's, Ronnie would do something a little more agressive?

So you're basing your comment that: "It took a guy like Ollie & Ronald Reagan backing him up to get the job done" on what you guess what the Iranians would've guessed that Reagan would've possibly done... At a guess.