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    Exactly. I also observed this a long time ago. But our resident Aspies continue to attempt debate over detail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper View Post
    You really gotta watch this

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    You really gotta watch this
    No, I really haven't.

    Got better things to do like wash my shoelaces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    Well we agree then, I think the continuing argument over structural degradation is an obvious tactic to derail or devalue the more pertinent questions over who is responsible. And the answer to those questions we will probably never know.
    We know who was responsible.

    The big question that all this conspiracy nonsense derails, is did Bush and the neocons know it was coming and deliberately do nothing about it?

    But that's not fanciful enough for the tin foil hat brigade.

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    It's public knowledge that the FBI or CIA or Homeland Security (I forget which) knew something big was just about to go down. But they were flooded with warnings and information, so did not see the forest for the trees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    It's public knowledge that the FBI or CIA or Homeland Security (I forget which) knew something big was just about to go down. But they were flooded with warnings and information, so did not see the forest for the trees.
    But we are not absolutely privy to what security briefings Bush got (he got them verbally because reading isn't his strong point), and on what he chose to act or not act.

    I remember in the hearings Condi played down the fact that one of the security briefings mentioned "planes flying into buildings", and no-one pulled her up for it.

    If they let it happen, they should be facing at least 3,000+ charges of culpable homicide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    If they let it happen, they should be facing at least 3,000+ charges of culpable homicide.
    2,400 US troops died at Pearl Harbour. No one was charged with homicide even though the US government knew of the attack in advance.

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    10. The September 11, 2001 Attacks

    Like many buildings built in the 1970s, the twin towers were constructed with vast quantities of cancer-causing asbestos. The cost of removing the Twin Tower asbestos? A year's worth of revenues at a minimum; possibly as much as the value of the buildings themselves. The cost to disassemble the Twin Towers floor by floor would have run into the double-digit billions. In addition, the Port Authority was prohibited from demolishing the towers because the resulting asbestos dust would cover the entire city, which it did when they collapsed, resulting in many cancers with a confirmed link to the WTC dust._Despite its questionable status, in January of 2001, Larry Silverstein made a $3.2 billion bid for the World Trade Center. On July 24, the Port Authority accepted the offer. Silverstein then took out an insurance policy that, understandably, covered terrorist attacks, which happened seven weeks later. To date, Silverstein has been awarded almost $5 billion from nine different insurance companies. What was an asbestos nightmare turned into a $1.8 billion profit within seven weeks.

    Donald Rumsfeld said about the Pentagon on the morning of September 10, 2001: "According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions." That bombshell was pretty much forgotten by the next morning. So, as a reward for losing $8,000 for every man, woman, and child in America, taxpayers patriotically forked over another $370 billion and counting to invade Iraq. True to form, the Pentagon promptly lost $9 billion of that money, too.

    Eight days after the attacks, the 342-page Patriot Act was given to Congress. That same week, letters armed with anthrax from a US military lab entered the mail. Subsequently, while Congressional offices were evacuated, examined, cleaned and nasal cavities swabbed, the Patriot Act remained largely unread. Then, with little debate, the Patriot Act became law, giving the Bush administration unprecedented power to access people's medical records, tax records, information about the books they bought or borrowed and the power to conduct secret residential searches without notifying owners that their homes had been searched.

    In early 2001, executives from Shell, BP, and Exxon met with Dick Cheney's Energy Task Force while it was developing its new national energy policy. Later, the companies freely admitted interest in profiting from Iraq's oil fields, even before the US invaded Iraq. And now? A new Iraq hydrocarbon law expected to pass in March 2007 will open the door for international investors, led by BP, Exxon and Shell, to siphon off 75 percent of Iraq oil wealth for the next thirty years.

    According to statements by Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, a Bronze Star recipient with 22 years of experience in intelligence operations, a classified intelligence program codenamed Able Danger had uncovered two of the three 9/11 terrorist cells a year before the attacks and had identified four of the hijackers. Shaffer alerted the FBI in September of 2000, but the meetings he tried to set up with bureau officials were repeatedly blocked by military lawyers. Four credible witnesses have come forward to verify Shaffer's claims. _In August 2001, a Pan Am International Flight Academy instructor warned the FBI that a student (Zacarias Moussaoui) might use a commercial plane loaded with fuel as a weapon. The instructor asked "Do you realize that a 747 loaded with fuel can be used as a bomb?" Moussaoui was then arrested on immigration charges, but despite the repeated urging of the school and local agents, FBI headquarters refused a deeper investigation. The US also received dozens of detailed warnings (names, locations, dates) from the intelligence agencies of Indonesia, Great Britain, Germany, Italy, Egypt, Jordan, India, Argentina, Morocco, Russia, Israel, France and even the Taliban. It would seem that the entire world was onto the bungling Saudi hijackers and somewhat perplexed that the US wasn't taking preventative actions. But in each case the US, as if by design, chose not to investigate. Instead. Condoleezza Rice, on May 16, 2002, stated: "I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon."_We also know that on the morning of 9/11, multiple Air Force war games and drills were in progress. The hijackers would have never made it to their targets without these war games: Operation Northern Vigilance ensured that many jet fighters that would have normally been patrolling the east coast were flying over Alaska and northern Canada in a drill that simulated a Russian air attack, complete with false radar blips. _Remarkably, operation Vigilant Guardian simulated hijacked planes in the north eastern sector, while real hijackers were in the same airspace. This drill had NORAD and the Air Force reacting to false blips on FAA radar screens. Some of these blips corresponded to real military aircraft in the air posing as hijacked aircraft. That's why when NORAD's airborne control officer, Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins, heard Boston claim it had a hijacked airliner, her first words were, "It must be part of the exercise."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    If they let it happen, they should be facing at least 3,000+ charges of culpable homicide.
    2,400 US troops died at Pearl Harbour. No one was charged with homicide even though the US government knew of the attack in advance.
    Or if you want an alternative version of history, Churchill knew but kept it from the Americans because he needed to get them into the war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    10. The September 11, 2001 Attacks

    Like many buildings built in the 1970s, the twin towers were constructed with vast quantities of cancer-causing asbestos. The cost of removing the Twin Tower asbestos? A year's worth of revenues at a minimum; possibly as much as the value of the buildings themselves. The cost to disassemble the Twin Towers floor by floor would have run into the double-digit billions. In addition, the Port Authority was prohibited from demolishing the towers because the resulting asbestos dust would cover the entire city, which it did when they collapsed, resulting in many cancers with a confirmed link to the WTC dust._Despite its questionable status, in January of 2001, Larry Silverstein made a $3.2 billion bid for the World Trade Center. On July 24, the Port Authority accepted the offer. Silverstein then took out an insurance policy that, understandably, covered terrorist attacks, which happened seven weeks later. To date, Silverstein has been awarded almost $5 billion from nine different insurance companies. What was an asbestos nightmare turned into a $1.8 billion profit within seven weeks.

    Donald Rumsfeld said about the Pentagon on the morning of September 10, 2001: "According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions." That bombshell was pretty much forgotten by the next morning. So, as a reward for losing $8,000 for every man, woman, and child in America, taxpayers patriotically forked over another $370 billion and counting to invade Iraq. True to form, the Pentagon promptly lost $9 billion of that money, too.

    Eight days after the attacks, the 342-page Patriot Act was given to Congress. That same week, letters armed with anthrax from a US military lab entered the mail. Subsequently, while Congressional offices were evacuated, examined, cleaned and nasal cavities swabbed, the Patriot Act remained largely unread. Then, with little debate, the Patriot Act became law, giving the Bush administration unprecedented power to access people's medical records, tax records, information about the books they bought or borrowed and the power to conduct secret residential searches without notifying owners that their homes had been searched.

    In early 2001, executives from Shell, BP, and Exxon met with Dick Cheney's Energy Task Force while it was developing its new national energy policy. Later, the companies freely admitted interest in profiting from Iraq's oil fields, even before the US invaded Iraq. And now? A new Iraq hydrocarbon law expected to pass in March 2007 will open the door for international investors, led by BP, Exxon and Shell, to siphon off 75 percent of Iraq oil wealth for the next thirty years.

    According to statements by Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, a Bronze Star recipient with 22 years of experience in intelligence operations, a classified intelligence program codenamed Able Danger had uncovered two of the three 9/11 terrorist cells a year before the attacks and had identified four of the hijackers. Shaffer alerted the FBI in September of 2000, but the meetings he tried to set up with bureau officials were repeatedly blocked by military lawyers. Four credible witnesses have come forward to verify Shaffer's claims. _In August 2001, a Pan Am International Flight Academy instructor warned the FBI that a student (Zacarias Moussaoui) might use a commercial plane loaded with fuel as a weapon. The instructor asked "Do you realize that a 747 loaded with fuel can be used as a bomb?" Moussaoui was then arrested on immigration charges, but despite the repeated urging of the school and local agents, FBI headquarters refused a deeper investigation. The US also received dozens of detailed warnings (names, locations, dates) from the intelligence agencies of Indonesia, Great Britain, Germany, Italy, Egypt, Jordan, India, Argentina, Morocco, Russia, Israel, France and even the Taliban. It would seem that the entire world was onto the bungling Saudi hijackers and somewhat perplexed that the US wasn't taking preventative actions. But in each case the US, as if by design, chose not to investigate. Instead. Condoleezza Rice, on May 16, 2002, stated: "I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon."_We also know that on the morning of 9/11, multiple Air Force war games and drills were in progress. The hijackers would have never made it to their targets without these war games: Operation Northern Vigilance ensured that many jet fighters that would have normally been patrolling the east coast were flying over Alaska and northern Canada in a drill that simulated a Russian air attack, complete with false radar blips. _Remarkably, operation Vigilant Guardian simulated hijacked planes in the north eastern sector, while real hijackers were in the same airspace. This drill had NORAD and the Air Force reacting to false blips on FAA radar screens. Some of these blips corresponded to real military aircraft in the air posing as hijacked aircraft. That's why when NORAD's airborne control officer, Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins, heard Boston claim it had a hijacked airliner, her first words were, "It must be part of the exercise."
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    Good post - cheers.

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    After watching one of your vids Dapper I meant to publish this as it was raised in said vid.

    8. Operation Northwoods

    In 1962, the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff unanimously proposed state-sponsored acts of terrorism on American soil, against American citizens. The head of every branch of the US armed forces gave written approval to sink US ships, shoot down hijacked American planes, and gun down and bomb civilians on the streets of Washington, D.C., and Miami. The idea was to blame the self-inflicted terrorism on Cuba's leader, Fidel Castro, so the American public would beg and scream for the Marines to storm Havana. _The public learned about Operation Northwoods 35 years later, when the Top Secret document was declassified by the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Review Board. Among other things, Operation Northwoods proposed:_- Faking the crash of an American passenger plane. The disaster was to be accomplished by faking a commercial flight from the US to Jamaica, and having the plane boarded at a public airport by CIA agents disguised as college students going on vacation. An empty remote-controlled plane would follow the commercial flight as it left Florida. The commercial flight's pilots would radio for help, mention that they had been attacked by a Cuban fighter, then land in secret at Eglin AFB. The empty remote-controlled plane would then be blown out of the sky and the public would be told all the poor college students aboard were killed._- Using a possible NASA disaster (astronaut John Glenn's death) as a pretext to launch the war. The plan called for "manufacturing various pieces of evidence which would prove electronic interference on the part of the Cubans" if something went wrong with NASA's third manned space launch. _- Blowing up buildings in Washington and Miami. Cuban agents (undercover CIA agents) would be arrested, and they would confess to the bombings. In addition, false documents proving Castro's involvement in the attacks would be "found" and given to the press. _- Attacking an American military base in Guantanamo with CIA recruits posing as Cuban mercenaries. This involved blowing up the ammunition depot and would obviously result in material damages and many dead American troops. As a last resort, the plan even mentioned bribing one of Castro's commanders to initiate the Guantanamo attack. That deserves repeating: the Pentagon considered using our tax dollars to bribe another country's military to attack our own troops in order to instigate a full-scale war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper View Post
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    You really gotta watch this
    "And what little treasonous arsehole would try that in our country"

    Cut to a shot of Tony Blair.

    Nuff fucking said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    After watching one of your vids Dapper I meant to publish this as it was raised in said vid.

    8. Operation Northwoods

    In 1962, the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff unanimously proposed state-sponsored acts of terrorism on American soil, against American citizens. The head of every branch of the US armed forces gave written approval to sink US ships, shoot down hijacked American planes, and gun down and bomb civilians on the streets of Washington, D.C., and Miami. The idea was to blame the self-inflicted terrorism on Cuba's leader, Fidel Castro, so the American public would beg and scream for the Marines to storm Havana. _The public learned about Operation Northwoods 35 years later, when the Top Secret document was declassified by the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Review Board. Among other things, Operation Northwoods proposed:_- Faking the crash of an American passenger plane. The disaster was to be accomplished by faking a commercial flight from the US to Jamaica, and having the plane boarded at a public airport by CIA agents disguised as college students going on vacation. An empty remote-controlled plane would follow the commercial flight as it left Florida. The commercial flight's pilots would radio for help, mention that they had been attacked by a Cuban fighter, then land in secret at Eglin AFB. The empty remote-controlled plane would then be blown out of the sky and the public would be told all the poor college students aboard were killed._- Using a possible NASA disaster (astronaut John Glenn's death) as a pretext to launch the war. The plan called for "manufacturing various pieces of evidence which would prove electronic interference on the part of the Cubans" if something went wrong with NASA's third manned space launch. _- Blowing up buildings in Washington and Miami. Cuban agents (undercover CIA agents) would be arrested, and they would confess to the bombings. In addition, false documents proving Castro's involvement in the attacks would be "found" and given to the press. _- Attacking an American military base in Guantanamo with CIA recruits posing as Cuban mercenaries. This involved blowing up the ammunition depot and would obviously result in material damages and many dead American troops. As a last resort, the plan even mentioned bribing one of Castro's commanders to initiate the Guantanamo attack. That deserves repeating: the Pentagon considered using our tax dollars to bribe another country's military to attack our own troops in order to instigate a full-scale war.
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    Nice one Prag,
    Cheers

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    This is who wrote the article below.
    Joe Crubaugh is a freelance writer, artist, and software consultant.
    Daffy and Prag, when you two put your heads together you really do some cracker-jack research.


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    After watching one of your vids Dapper I meant to publish this as it was raised in said vid.

    8. Operation Northwoods

    In 1962, the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff unanimously proposed state-sponsored acts of terrorism on American soil, against American citizens. The head of every branch of the US armed forces gave written approval to sink US ships, shoot down hijacked American planes, and gun down and bomb civilians on the streets of Washington, D.C., and Miami. The idea was to blame the self-inflicted terrorism on Cuba's leader, Fidel Castro, so the American public would beg and scream for the Marines to storm Havana. _The public learned about Operation Northwoods 35 years later, when the Top Secret document was declassified by the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Review Board. Among other things, Operation Northwoods proposed:_- Faking the crash of an American passenger plane. The disaster was to be accomplished by faking a commercial flight from the US to Jamaica, and having the plane boarded at a public airport by CIA agents disguised as college students going on vacation. An empty remote-controlled plane would follow the commercial flight as it left Florida. The commercial flight's pilots would radio for help, mention that they had been attacked by a Cuban fighter, then land in secret at Eglin AFB. The empty remote-controlled plane would then be blown out of the sky and the public would be told all the poor college students aboard were killed._- Using a possible NASA disaster (astronaut John Glenn's death) as a pretext to launch the war. The plan called for "manufacturing various pieces of evidence which would prove electronic interference on the part of the Cubans" if something went wrong with NASA's third manned space launch. _- Blowing up buildings in Washington and Miami. Cuban agents (undercover CIA agents) would be arrested, and they would confess to the bombings. In addition, false documents proving Castro's involvement in the attacks would be "found" and given to the press. _- Attacking an American military base in Guantanamo with CIA recruits posing as Cuban mercenaries. This involved blowing up the ammunition depot and would obviously result in material damages and many dead American troops. As a last resort, the plan even mentioned bribing one of Castro's commanders to initiate the Guantanamo attack. That deserves repeating: the Pentagon considered using our tax dollars to bribe another country's military to attack our own troops in order to instigate a full-scale war.
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    Nice one Prag,
    Cheers

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    Fapper, haven't you sorted out the Chemtrails conspiracy yet?

    FFS they are poisoning us!

    And FEMA Death Camps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    did Bush and the neocons know it was coming
    maybe did but were only expecting a hi-jacking and some drama, ransom demands.
    practice for the american storm-troopers.

    surely nobody in their wildest nightmares could imagine planes loaded with civvies
    being crashed into the twin towers deliberately.

    only an absolute madman would think of it.

    wait a minute errr.

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    The Small World of 9/11 Players: LS2, Vidient, and AMEC

    Detailed investigation reveals unexpected connections among people who played critical roles related to the attacks of September 11, 2001. Earlier articles have covered some of those connections with respect to the World Trade Center (WTC) and the official reports which were produced to explain the WTC events.[1,2] This article will begin to outline a wider set of connections that encompasses more aspects of 9/11. Readers may find that, with respect to the 9/11 attacks and those who were responsible for protecting us from terrorism, it is a small world after all.

    Barry McDaniel came to the WTC security company Stratesec, in 1996, to become its Chief Operating Officer. In the next few years, Stratesec had contracts to provide security services not only for the WTC, but also for United Airlines, which owned two of the planes hijacked on 9/11, and Dulles Airport, where American Airlines Flight 77 took off that day.

    At the WTC, McDaniel was in charge of the security operation in terms of what he called a “completion contract,” to provide services “up to the day the buildings fell down.”[3] McDaniel came to Stratesec directly from BDM International, where he had been Vice President for nine years. BDM was a major subsidiary of The Carlyle Group for most of that time. When Barry McDaniel started at BDM, the company began getting a large amount of government business “in an area the Navy called Black Projects,” or budgets that were kept secret.[4]

    The company that McDaniel now leads is called Lancaster Systems & Solutions (LS2). As CEO at LS2, McDaniel has a board of directors which is led by Bruce Bradley.[5] This is an astounding connection due to the fact that Bradley is the founder of Bradley Woods, where Dick Cheney got his start. Cheney worked for Bradley Woods as Vice President during intermittent periods between the times he and Donald Rumsfeld were working for Nixon and running the Ford White House.
    It seems an incredible coincidence that the “number two” man for Barry McDaniel today was formerly the closest colleague of Dick Cheney forty years ago. Of course, people who have studied the attacks in detail no longer believe in coincidences related to 9/11.

    It is also odd that LS2 is a company that is so focused on the “response” to 9/11. In fact, few companies are more focused on the 9/11 aftermath than LS2, whose mission is to “deliver a diversified suite of responsive defense solutions to government organizations and multinational corporations who provide military, law enforcement, security, peacekeeping, and emergency response operations across the globe.”[6] The company’s subsidiary, Global Service and Trade, provides equipment for police state operations around the world.

    Between the years that he worked with Cheney and McDaniel, Bradley was a director for UBS (mentioned in the review of WTC connections) and Legg Mason, where he was a colleague of Cheryl Krongard, the wife of CIA Executive Director, Buzzy Krongard.

    The board of directors which Bradley leads for McDaniel at LS2 includes another former VP of BDM, Ronald Riggin, and several other very interesting people. One such person is Larry Johnson, a former CIA employee and State Department official. Johnson was a paramilitary CIA officer from 1985 to 1989, but he also directed crisis management for hijackings and helped investigate the Lockerbie Bombing (Pan Am 103)

    In 1994, Johnson started scripting Special Operations exercises for the State Department. From 1996 to 2006, as Deputy Director of Counterterrorism within the State Department, he led terrorism training for senior-level government officials and served as an expert witness in cases against al Qaeda suspects.[7]

    Another director working with Bradley and McDaniel at LS2 is David Pillor, the former director and Executive VP of InVision Technologies (InVision). As the leading provider of bomb detecting equipment for airports, InVision had an interesting history which included installation of its equipment at most major airports prior to 9/11, including those from which the hijacked planes took off.

    Sergio Magistri was the CEO of InVision from 1992 through 2004. In a court case related to this period, InVision was charged “with authorizing improper payments to foreign government officials in violation of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act (FCPA).”[8] The case represented the first, and perhaps only, time that the U.S. Department of Justice decided to not prosecute a company which had violated the FCPA.

    vidientMagistri and LS2’s Pillor are now both board members at Vidient Systems, Inc (Vidient), a video surveillance company that serves the “homeland security” industry. Vidient is in strategic partnership with Autonomy Corp, where we find the “Prince of Darkness,” Richard Perle. Fellow directors at Vidient include several people who played critical roles related to the events of September 11.

    One director at Vidient is Richard Clarke, the former “Counterterrorism Czar,” whose job for nine years prior to 9/11 was to protect the United States from a terrorist attack. There are many important questions that need to be answered regarding Clarke and his associations and actions leading up to 9/11.[9] Clarke’s role in the international failure to respond to the Rwandan genocide of 1994 is another matter that needs further investigation.[10]

    CondonAt Vidient we also find The Lord Paul Condon. In September 2000, Condon became a director at the British security company, Securicor (now G4S). Three months later, in December 2000, Securicor bought a company called Argenbright which ran security on 9/11 at Dulles and Newark airports where Flight 77 and Flight 93, respectively, took off that day. Argenbright also managed some, perhaps unrelated, security checkpoints at Logan Airport in Boston, where the two other 9/11 planes took off.

    The year before 9/11, Securicor was allowing criminals to operate security, and three of its executives pled guilty to conspiracy.[11] And prior to 9/11, Argenbright pled guilty to falsifying employee records so that it could hire those convicted of drug possession and assault.[12] These facts are startling considering that just weeks after 9/11, officials were evaluating the possibility that the hijackings might have been “inside jobs” in that “the hijackers may have had accomplices deep within the ‘secure’ areas of airports.”[13]

    Securicor faced about 30 lawsuits from victim’s families after 9/11. Another director that Condon supervised at Securicor, Trevor Dighton, said of the company’s liability – “I’m not worried about it (the litigation) one little bit. The two planes involved weren’t those that crashed into the towers – that’s the first thing.” Dighton’s confidence might have had something to do with his opinion of Condon, whom Dighton said was “brilliant and knows what he’s doing.”[14]

    Vidient director Condon came to Securicor directly from having served as the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police in London for seven years. Corruption was rampant in Condon’s police force during the time he led it.[15] Condon himself was accused of being a racist and of withholding evidence related to the death of Princess Diana. Although the official report on the racism accusations (The MacPherson Report) found that the police force that Condon led for years was “institutionally racist,” British Home Secretary Jack Straw refused to fire Condon.

    Another Vidient director working with Pillor, Clarke and Condon is Michael Sheehan, the former U.S. State Department Ambassador at Large for Counterterrorism. Sheehan was a long time member of the U.S. Army Special Forces. He also served on the National Security Council for two presidents, George H.W. Bush from 1989 to 1992, and Clinton from 1995 to 1997. After 9/11, Sheehan became the Deputy Commissioner of Counter Terrorism for the New York City police department.

    Today, Sheehan is primarily associated with Torch Hill Investments. Recently, Stephen Kappes, the “unusually powerful deputy CIA director” who was also the CIA’s Associate Deputy Director of Operations for Counterintelligence from 2000 to 2002, joined Torch Hill. When signing on with Sheehan, Kappes claimed that — “Many of the al-Qaeda seniors still maintain that another crippling blow to New York City will cripple the United States. They think that this is the key.”[16]

    Hopefully, Kappes is not as good at predicting these things as Sheehan has been. After the bombing of the USS Cole, Sheehan asked Richard Clarke –“What’s it going to take to get them to hit al-Qaeda in Afghanistan? Does al-Qaeda have to hit the Pentagon?”[17] That certainly seems like a prescient statement considering that, less than one year later, that was exactly what happened.

    Speaking of the Pentagon, the little discussed British company called AMEC had some interesting personnel. It was AMEC’s subsidiary AMEC Construction NA that was responsible for reconstructing Wedge 1 of the Pentagon just before (and after) Flight 77 hit that exact spot in the building. AMEC Construction NA was also immediately hired to clean-up the WTC site at Ground Zero, within hours of the destruction there.[18]

    The British parent company, AMEC, provides “engineering and project management services to the world’s energy, power and process industries.”[19] It is a major international player in the oil and gas industry, as well as in other natural resource industries. AMEC had a significant presence in Saudi Arabia dating back to the late 1970s, providing support to the national oil company Saudi Aramco, which is by far the richest company in the world.[20] Executives and board members at AMEC included former directors of NM Rothschild, Kellogg Brown and Root (now Halliburton), and SG Warburg.

    AMEC Construction NA was run out of Toronto, Ontario by a man named Peter Janson. The company had offices in New York, Fort Lauderdale, and Phoenix.
    From 1990 to 2001, Janson was a fellow director of Donald Rumsfeld at the Swiss-Swedish engineering company, ABB. For the 11 years prior to 9/11, Rumsfeld was the only American director at ABB. In an alarming turnabout, Rumsfeld helped ABB sell nuclear technology to North Korea in 2000 and, two years later, declared the same country a terrorist state and part of the “axis of evil.”[21]

    Janson had been the president and CEO of an ABB predecessor, the Swedish company ASEA. Interestingly, ASEA had used the swastika as its company logo until the 1930s. Today, Janson is enjoying the fruits of the “War on Terror” as a director of Teekay Corporation, an oil and gas transport company that operates throughout the world. Additionally, he “reports to the Prime Minister of Canada in his role as a member of the National Advisory Board on Science and Technology.”[22]

    There will be more about AMEC and the Pentagon renovation project in future articles, but it is sufficient to say that much has been left uncovered in the official investigations into 9/11. A simple review of the people whose roles were critical to the success of the attacks, and their associations before and after 9/11, brings to light surprising connections between companies that were responsible for security and construction, and the people most responsible for protecting the nation.

    [1] Kevin R. Ryan, Demolition Access to the World Trade Center (four parts with introduction by Don Paul), 911Review.com, Kevin Ryan's 'Demolition Access ..' Lights the Shadows

    [2] Kevin R. Ryan, The Top Ten Connection Between NIST and Nanothermite, Journal of 9/11 Studies, July 2008, http://www.journalof911studies.com/v...and_Nano-1.pdf

    [3] History Commons page for Stratesec, http://www.historycommons.org/entity...tity=stratesec

    [4] Dan Briody, The Iron Triangle: Inside the Secret World of The Carlyle Group, Wiley publishers, 2003, p35

    [5] Website for LS2, http://www.ls2global.com/team.html

    [6] Website for LS2, http://www.ls2global.com/about.html

    [7] Website for Berg Associates, profile for Larry C. Johnson, BERG Associates

    [8] U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION, Litigation Release No. 19078, February 14, 2005, GE InVision, Inc. (formerly known as InVision Technologies, Inc.): Lit. Rel. No. 19078 / February 14, 2005

    [9] Kevin R. Ryan, Questions for Richard Clarke on COG, the UAE, and BCCI, DigWithin.net, Questions for Richard Clarke on COG, the UAE, and BCCI | Dig Within

    [10] Shoestring 9/11, 9/11 Counterterrorism Chief Richard Clarke and the Rwandan Genocide, 23 February 2010, Shoestring 9/11: 9/11 Counterterrorism Chief Richard Clarke and the Rwandan Genocide

    [11] Audrey Gillan and Stuart Millar, Securicor could face legal claims over hijack airports, The Guardian, 13 September 2001, Securicor could face legal claims over hijack airports | Business | The Guardian

    [12] Michele Orlecklin, Airlines: Why Argenbright Sets Off Alarms, Time Magazine, November 19, 2001, Airlines: Why Argenbright Sets Off Alarms - TIME

    [13] Sally Donnelly, TIME Exclusive: An Inside Job?, Time Magazine, September 22, 2001, TIME Exclusive: An Inside Job? - TIME

    [14] Tom Berry, The Financial Director interview – Making crime pay, Financial Director, 08 December 2003, The Financial Director interview - Making crime pay - 08 Dec 2003 - Financial Director Feature

    [15] Brian Cathcart, Nasty furrow, New Statesman, 22 November 2004, http://www.newstatesman.com/200411220043

    [16] Jeff Stein, CIA’s Stephen Kappes Emerges from Shadow of Retirement, SpyTalk, June 8, 2011, http://spytalkblog.blogspot.com/2011...om-shadow.html

    [17] Richard Miniter, Losing Bin Laden: How Bill Clinton’s Unleashed Global Terror, Regnery Publishers, 2003

    [18] David S. Chartock, Industry Rallies To Cleanup WTC Aftermath, SPECIAL REPORT! (9/12/01 — noon), New York Construction News, Engineering News-Record | ENR

    [19] Website for AMEC, Amec Foster Wheeler | International engineering and project management services

    [20] Nicholas A. Vardy, The World’s Most Valuable Companies, The Global Guru, December 2009, http://www.theglobalguru.com/article...&offer=GURU001

    [21] Randeep Ramesh, The two faces of Rumsfeld, The Guardian, May 9,2003, The two faces of Rumsfeld | World news | The Guardian

    [22] Businessweek profile for Peter Janson, http://investing.businessweek.com/re...=TEEKAY%20CORP



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    Yeah, politics, government and espionage are small worlds, but so is working Hollywood. You could work a dozen different pictures with a dozen different people and never have contact with each other or like what you are doing. For instance, Richard Clark:
    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper
    One director at Vidient is Richard Clarke, the former “Counterterrorism Czar,” whose job for nine years prior to 9/11 was to protect the United States from a terrorist attack. There are many important questions that need to be answered regarding Clarke and his associations and actions leading up to 9/11.[9] Clarke’s role in the international failure to respond to the Rwandan genocide of 1994 is another matter that needs further investigation.[10]
    His lead up to 9/11 was to try desperatly to warn Bush that an attack by al Queda was immenent, but he was blocked by that stupid, arrogant bitch, Condoleeza Rice.

    How does that fit with a hypothetical conspiracy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrG
    His lead up to 9/11 was to try desperatly to warn Bush that an attack by al Queda was immenent, but he was blocked by that stupid, arrogant bitch, Condoleeza Rice.
    From my reading, Richard Clark isn't to be believed.
    People need to know more about Richard Clarke before taking any more of his comments at face value.
    Clarke’s Tips Helped Bin Laden And Misled Americans
    Getting Real About Richard Clarke | Dig Within

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    Sorry I should have put this quote with the above but forgot, sorry.

    It is far more difficult to understand why Clarke was personally behind the failure of two CIA attempts to kill or capture Bin Laden in 1999. The first of these occurred just a few days after Clarke’s visit to the UAE. The CIA obtained information that OBL was hunting with UAE royals in Afghanistan at the time, and President Clinton was asked for permission to attack the camp. According to author Steve Coll in his book Ghost Wars, Clarke voted down that plan and others within the U.S. government speculated that his ties to the UAE were behind his decision.
    The next month, when the CIA had tracked Bin Laden’s location again and was prepared to take him out during another of the Afghanistan hunting trips, Clarke took it upon himself to alert his UAE friends about the CIA monitoring their meetings with Bin Laden. Of course, the UAE royals tipped off Bin Laden and the U.S. lost another opportunity to kill or capture its number one enemy. Considering that CIA plans are top secret national security priorities, and that OBL was wanted for the bombings in East Africa, Clarke’s action should have been seen as treason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Sorry I should have put this quote with the above but forgot, sorry.

    It is far more difficult to understand why Clarke was personally behind the failure of two CIA attempts to kill or capture Bin Laden in 1999. The first of these occurred just a few days after Clarke’s visit to the UAE. The CIA obtained information that OBL was hunting with UAE royals in Afghanistan at the time, and President Clinton was asked for permission to attack the camp. According to author Steve Coll in his book Ghost Wars, Clarke voted down that plan and others within the U.S. government speculated that his ties to the UAE were behind his decision.
    The next month, when the CIA had tracked Bin Laden’s location again and was prepared to take him out during another of the Afghanistan hunting trips, Clarke took it upon himself to alert his UAE friends about the CIA monitoring their meetings with Bin Laden. Of course, the UAE royals tipped off Bin Laden and the U.S. lost another opportunity to kill or capture its number one enemy. Considering that CIA plans are top secret national security priorities, and that OBL was wanted for the bombings in East Africa, Clarke’s action should have been seen as treason.
    Baseless accusations with no name, no source, no evidence. Try again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Sorry I should have put this quote with the above but forgot, sorry.

    It is far more difficult to understand why Clarke was personally behind the failure of two CIA attempts to kill or capture Bin Laden in 1999. The first of these occurred just a few days after Clarke’s visit to the UAE. The CIA obtained information that OBL was hunting with UAE royals in Afghanistan at the time, and President Clinton was asked for permission to attack the camp. According to author Steve Coll in his book Ghost Wars, Clarke voted down that plan and others within the U.S. government speculated that his ties to the UAE were behind his decision.
    The next month, when the CIA had tracked Bin Laden’s location again and was prepared to take him out during another of the Afghanistan hunting trips, Clarke took it upon himself to alert his UAE friends about the CIA monitoring their meetings with Bin Laden. Of course, the UAE royals tipped off Bin Laden and the U.S. lost another opportunity to kill or capture its number one enemy. Considering that CIA plans are top secret national security priorities, and that OBL was wanted for the bombings in East Africa, Clarke’s action should have been seen as treason.
    Baseless accusations with no name, no source, no evidence. Try again.
    You stupid fuck, the link is a post above your drivel.

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    You stupid fuck, the link is a post above your drivel.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic
    Sorry, too much to drink.
    You two make a great couple of conspirationalists.

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