Thread: 9/11 was an inside job

It was widely publicized from day one and shortly after as the investigation was being conducted. Germany was one of the first to notify the states of the connection, everyone wants someone else to elucidate them because they're lazy minded, and want t be spoon fed everything, my suggestion would be to use your own Google search or whatever you choose and educate yourself?

FB, my point is that Koman perhaps should take your advice and use google.

Because I think he is wrong

There was a german connection, but they were not all connected to Hamburg

Far from it

9/11 was an ISIS job.

Originally Posted by helge

FB, my point is that Koman perhaps should take your advice and use google.

Because I think he is wrong

There was a german connection, but they were not all connected to Hamburg

Far from it

As usual, more hair splitting. I never said that all 19 were directly connected to Hamburg and in any case it is of no importance.

What is important is that the key players were students together in Hamburg. The plan was conceived and plotted there, and the Hamburg group led the operation. Others were recruited and brought into the team, but Hamburg was at the very core of the whole thing.

I don't need to spend an hour on Google because that, like some much of this stuff is common knowledge. If you want to use Google, go ahead. There must be at least a hundred videos and articles about this.

So rather than deal with a simple fact, again we wish to deflect by arguing over the exact number of hijackers that were part of the original Hamburg cell.... totally pointless, but very typical.

Originally Posted by helge

Originally Posted by koman

Originally Posted by helge

All knew each other from Hamburg ???

Do you read? I explained that they had studied in Hamburg. This is well known, well documented and the CBC even did an hour long documentary in which numerous people that knew them in Hamburg were interviewed. They even managed to interview several members of one of the hijackers family (guy from Lebanon)

I suppose none of the conspiracy blogs would bother with stuff like this, would they?

I'm not going to bother trying to answer any more of these absurd questions, because they have already been answered many times.....but no matter how many times they are answered, somebody else pops up asking them all over again.

They knew each other in Hamburg ? They ?

All 19 were from the Hamburg Cell ?

Do provide some link to your well documented sources

Or are you as my gut tells me all hot air and cut and paste from a newspaper you wrote yourself ?

The BBC only mentions three of the "19 Arabs-with-box-cutters-who-couldn't-fly-a-Cessna" group as having met in Hamburg at some point.

"Along with Atta, the Hamburg-based suicide pilots were identified as Marwan al-Shehhi and Ziad Jarrah."
BBC NEWS | Europe | The Hamburg connection

Atta attended Huffman flight training school, where.
"Huffman offered private pilot, instrument rating, Commercial pilot, Multi-Engine Ratings, and flight instructor training, but did not offer training on larger, jet aircraft.[3]"

Huffman Aviation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Earlier he'd trained at a Philipines flying school, flying light aircraft.


Marwan al-Shehhi also learned to mess around in small light planes there, but had no further pilot training.

Jarrah arrived in the United States in June 2000, where he trained at Florida Flight Training Center, and again, couldn't fly more than a light aircraft, badly.

So much for the hijackers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=_kpKGodg4to

Here, take a look at this video. If your attention span can be held for more that the 8-10 seconds customary for conspiracy nuts. It's all about the 4 key members (not 3) who were domiciled in Hamburg and formed the core of the attack group of 19.

There's a massive amount of intel information on all of these guys and how the operation was planned and executed, but if you still want to keep on talking complete bollocks about how it was an inside black op with a cast of thousands, carry on....it does get you post count up, if nothing else.....

Originally Posted by helge

Originally Posted by koman

Originally Posted by helge

FB, my point is that Koman perhaps should take your advice and use google.

Because I think he is wrong

There was a german connection, but they were not all connected to Hamburg

Far from it

As usual, more hair splitting. I never said that all 19 were directly connected to Hamburg and in any case it is of no importance.

.

Never ?
Post 5245
Your lecture to Your Name Here

Until now I just thought that you had it wrong due to your eagerness to show that you knew something

Now you are just lying

Pathetic

A bit of advice, Koman

If you want to be taken seriously, admit your mistakes

Esp if they are of no importance

Don't be such a dickhead. I made a slight misstatement in that post, by saying they all knew each other in Hamburg which I realize in not strictly the case.

The core group of four met in Hamburg and the rest of the group was assembled through the Hamburg cell connections. That is what I was talking about, but I did not state it that way, so you have your momentous victory is proving me wrong.

The "mistake" as you choose to call it was of no importance in that is it quite immaterial to what occurred on 99/11. I have clarified what I was referring to and posted a lengthy documentary video which should make it clear to anybody.

The best you can do now is come back with another bullshit hairsplitter, calling me a liar. That's what's pathetic here, not me (or anyone else, making a minor misstatement when working from memory of events the took place 13 years ago)

So errm... who dunnit..?

Originally Posted by Neo

So errm... who dunnit..?

A bunch of raghead terrorists.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Neo

So errm... who dunnit..?

A bunch of raghead terrorists.

Here we go,

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Neo

So errm... who dunnit..?

A bunch of raghead terrorists.

Here we go,

It's like a red raghead to a bull, isn't it?

im sure that fluoride definitely played a part in this

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Neo

So errm... who dunnit..?

A bunch of raghead terrorists.

Who couldn't fly a Cessna (max speed 278 mph) beyond flying school safe space and altitude of max. 13,000 ft ASL,..... let alone a Boeing airliner at 500 mph at 30,000 ft > 1,000 ft > 0 ft ASL.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Neo

So errm... who dunnit..?

A bunch of raghead terrorists.

Who couldn't fly a Cessna (max speed 278 mph) beyond flying school safe space and altitude of max. 13,000 ft ASL,..... let alone a Boeing airliner at 500 mph at 30,000 ft > 1,000 ft > 0 ft ASL.

Bullshit as usual. All three of the Hamburg cell guys attended flight schools in Florida and obtained private pilots licenses. (the 4th hijack pilot was a Saudi who had been brought in to replace another Hamburg cell member who failed to get a US visa)

The pilots license allowed them to gain access to, and train on large AC simulators.

They did not need to know all that much because they were not going to take off or land. All they needed to learn was how to change course, altitude and a few odds and ends. The combination of the basic flight training and the simulator experience was quite enough to allow them to direct a plane that was already airborne into a building....or crash it into a field.

Originally Posted by koman

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Neo

So errm... who dunnit..?

A bunch of raghead terrorists.

Who couldn't fly a Cessna (max speed 278 mph) beyond flying school safe space and altitude of max. 13,000 ft ASL,..... let alone a Boeing airliner at 500 mph at 30,000 ft > 1,000 ft > 0 ft ASL.

Bullshit as usual. All three of the Hamburg cell guys attended flight schools in Florida and obtained private pilots licenses. (the 4th hijack pilot was a Saudi who had been brought in to replace another Hamburg cell member who failed to get a US visa)

The pilots license allowed them to gain access to, and train on large AC simulators.

They did not need to know all that much because they were not going to take off or land. All they needed to learn was how to change course, altitude and a few odds and ends. The combination of the basic flight training and the simulator experience was quite enough to allow them to direct a plane that was already airborne into a building....or crash it into a field.

Didn't you bother reading the post fully?

All four alleged hijackers were barely competent handling a Cessna, had absolutely NO training on a Boeing, and could in no way whatsoever fly one executing the complex pin-point accuracy necessary to hit the Pentagon (at less than 6 ft above ground level) and the two WTC towers at 1,000 ft.

Anyone who thinks that an untrained, unpracticed novice who can barely handle a Cessna can fly a Boeing at the speeds, altitudes and angles necessary to have hit any of the aforementioned targets is being totally unrealistic, a complete loon, no less, as you so ably demonstrate yourself to be, koman.

Practicing a few turns and moves on a "safe air-space" simulator is very far removed from flying the real thing in air traffic, any novice can play with one of those, but practicing on a simulator hoping to become a competent suicide pilot is a little like rattling a couple of spoons together in a leather bag hoping that they will sharpen into knives.

You're a total fool mate.

The flight software that 'trains the terrorists'

by KOBINA AMOAKWA, Mail online
Last updated at 13:12 25 July 2005

Reports claim that one of the July 7 bombers obsessively used flight simulators to practise flying passenger planes.
The ultra-realistic simulation software that Germaine Lindsay has been linked with - Microsoft Flight Simulator - is readily available in the shops and playable on any modern PC.
It's not the first time the Microsoft "game" has been connected with terrorist training. The perpetrators of the September 11 atrocities reportedly trained with flight simulators prior to the attacks.
A British government report on the 2001 attacks said: "The operatives involved in the 11 September atrocities attended flight schools, used flight simulators to study the controls of larger aircraft and placed potential airports and routes under surveillance."
Though the report did not mention the specific simulators used, many fingers pointed in the direction of Microsoft flight simulators.
Versions of the simulator at the time of the attacks included the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center and other New York landmarks.
Microsoft reacted quickly by stating the software "could only help hone the skills of an already trained pilot". The Twin Towers were promptly removed from future versions of the software.
"We did decide, after some careful consideration, that we want to do the appropriate thing, the right thing, so we decided to remove the Towers [from the next version of Flight Simulator]," Microsoft spokesperson Matt Pilla said.
In Britain concerns about Microsoft Flight Simulator being used as a tool to teach terrorists caused two major retailers, Virgin Megastores and Woolworths, to remove the software from their shelves.


Read more: The flight software that 'trains the terrorists' | Daily Mail Online
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Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Neo

So errm... who dunnit..?

A bunch of raghead terrorists.

Who couldn't fly a Cessna (max speed 278 mph) beyond flying school safe space and altitude of max. 13,000 ft ASL,..... let alone a Boeing airliner at 500 mph at 30,000 ft > 1,000 ft > 0 ft ASL.

Airliner is easier to fly, mostly automatic..

But it's notable that you are now admitting it was a big jet and not a missile and at the speeds it was traveling and flying only feet above the ground so either you've converted or you've been full of pig shite the whole time.. Most likely the latter.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by koman

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Neo

So errm... who dunnit..?

A bunch of raghead terrorists.

Who couldn't fly a Cessna (max speed 278 mph) beyond flying school safe space and altitude of max. 13,000 ft ASL,..... let alone a Boeing airliner at 500 mph at 30,000 ft > 1,000 ft > 0 ft ASL.

Bullshit as usual. All three of the Hamburg cell guys attended flight schools in Florida and obtained private pilots licenses. (the 4th hijack pilot was a Saudi who had been brought in to replace another Hamburg cell member who failed to get a US visa)

The pilots license allowed them to gain access to, and train on large AC simulators.

They did not need to know all that much because they were not going to take off or land. All they needed to learn was how to change course, altitude and a few odds and ends. The combination of the basic flight training and the simulator experience was quite enough to allow them to direct a plane that was already airborne into a building....or crash it into a field.

Didn't you bother reading the post fully?

All four alleged hijackers were barely competent handling a Cessna, had absolutely NO training on a Boeing, and could in no way whatsoever fly one executing the complex pin-point accuracy necessary to hit the Pentagon (at less than 6 ft above ground level) and the two WTC towers at 1,000 ft.

Anyone who thinks that an untrained, unpracticed novice who can barely handle a Cessna can fly a Boeing at the speeds, altitudes and angles necessary to have hit any of the aforementioned targets is being totally unrealistic, a complete loon, no less, as you so ably demonstrate yourself to be, koman.

Practicing a few turns and moves on a "safe air-space" simulator is very far removed from flying the real thing in air traffic, any novice can play with one of those, but practicing on a simulator hoping to become a competent suicide pilot is a little like rattling a couple of spoons together in a leather bag hoping that they will sharpen into knives.

You're a total fool mate.

The were not just "barely competent" They had completed full pilots training courses at a certified flying schools and been granted pilots licenses FFS.

Obviously that in itself would not be enough to do the job, but the flight simulator training gave them enough to DIRECT a plane that was already airborne. There were no highly complex procedures involved and the planes are highly automated. I use the work 'direct" very deliberately because there was not much real flying involved. On top of that there is the dedication and motivation. These guys were on a suicide mission. There were not afraid of anything other than perhaps missing the target and falling short of true martyrdom.

You can bang on all you like about how impossible it was, but the moves of these guys has been traced and recorded in considerable detail all the way from their early student days in Hamburg to the time they boarded the planes....and the fact that they accomplished their mission means that there was nothing impossible about it.

One of the things that makes the whole 9/11 attack so difficult for many people to come to terms with, is just how simple it was for a highly motivated and intelligent group of individuals to pull off...(with financial backing and support from AQ)

It was planned in great detail over a lengthy period, and great care was taken to prepare for the end mission; but the actual execution was quite simple for people willing to die on the job. That little detail makes quite a difference.

From your post #5345, above;

"The were not just "barely competent" They had completed full pilots training courses at a certified flying schools and been granted pilots licenses."

Agreed, for a Cessna.

"There were no highly complex procedures involved and the planes are highly automated."

Not true. There were several skilled manoeuvres necessary, least of all avoiding other aircraft while flying with ACARS off.


" there was not much real flying involved."

You must be joking!

Originally Posted by ENT

From your post #5345, above;

"The were not just "barely competent" They had completed full pilots training courses at a certified flying schools and been granted pilots licenses."

Agreed, for a Cessna.

"There were no highly complex procedures involved and the planes are highly automated."

Not true. There were several skilled manoeuvres necessary, least of all avoiding other aircraft while flying with ACARS off.


" there was not much real flying involved."

You must be joking!

Atta and Shehhi finished up at Huffman and earned their instrument certificates from the FAA in November. In mid-December 2000, they passed their commercial pilot tests and received their licenses.They then began training to fly large jets on a flight simulator. At about the same time, Jarrah began simulator training, also in Florida but at a different center. By the end of 2000, less than six months after their arrival, the three pilots on the East Coast were simulating flights on large jets.
Page 227, 9/11 Commission Report

Flight School Dropouts - 911myths

December 15, 2000-January 8, 2001: 9/11 Hijacker Jarrah Takes Flight Simulator Lessons in MiamiEdit event
Ziad Jarrah using a flight simulator in January 2001.
Ziad Jarrah using a flight simulator in January 2001. [Source: Los Angeles Times]
From December 15-18, 2000, 9/11 hijacker Ziad Jarrah attends Aeroservice Aviation in Miami, Florida where he takes lessons in Boeing 727 and 737 simulators. Around this same time, Mohamed Atta and Marwan Alshehhi take lessons in a 727 simulator, but at a different Florida center (see December 29-31, 2000). After returning to the US from a visit home to Beirut, Jarrah again attends Aeroservice Aviation on January 8, 2001. His girlfriend Aysel Senguen is with him for a ten-day stay at the time, accompanies him to the flight training session, and photographs him in the simulator.

Complete 911 Timeline: Flight Training Undergone by Alleged 9/11 Hijackers
These guys were trained to some degree on large jet simulators, not fucking microsoft PC flight simulator games FFS.

Originally Posted by ENT

From your post #5345, above;

"The were not just "barely competent" They had completed full pilots training courses at a certified flying schools and been granted pilots licenses."

Agreed, for a Cessna.

"There were no highly complex procedures involved and the planes are highly automated."

Not true. There were several skilled manoeuvres necessary, least of all avoiding other aircraft while flying with ACARS off.


" there was not much real flying involved."

You must be joking!

Not joking at all. You really don't seem to know very much about what actually happened that day....you just read all the fabricated and highly imaginative bullshit posted on the internet by professional con artists or make shit up to argue round in circles.

So, for a trained pilot that has been taught the basics of aviation, navigation, air traffic control etc.... what is so complex about taking over the controls of an airliner and changing its course to collide with massive buildings that are in line of sight; after practicing on a simulator (of exactly the same type used by professional airline pilots for training)

These guys even made several trips on the airlines and routes to be used on 9/11 to become familiar with the whole process of takeoff, climbing to altitude etc.

Mohammed Atta even had it figured out to the exact best times to take over the flight deck. ie. 12-15 minutes after take off..when the doors are first opened and the flight and cabin crews are still distracted.

They knew exactly what to expect, when to expect it, and were fully engaged.

In response to all this, you will no doubt be back to holograms and morphing planes, controlled from CIA drones or some such mind numbing bullshit

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Neo

So errm... who dunnit..?

A bunch of raghead terrorists.

Who couldn't fly a Cessna (max speed 278 mph) beyond flying school safe space and altitude of max. 13,000 ft ASL,..... let alone a Boeing airliner at 500 mph at 30,000 ft > 1,000 ft > 0 ft ASL.

You're right, they weren't very good at all, they crashed all of them.

Good point !

I remember at the time seeing a programme in which they said it SHOULD have rung a bell with the teachers that these hijackers learnt to fly a plane... but not how to land one.