true but (if) when he walks through those prison doors he'll be the first senior white house official to do so since watergate.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
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true but (if) when he walks through those prison doors he'll be the first senior white house official to do so since watergate.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
Sandy Burgler's crime was of greater magnitude.
Libby's case is just another in a long string of more Bush-bashing...
^^ Call it Bush bashing if you will, but it's there for a reason Boonie. Several reasons. ;)
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Originally Posted by Boon Mee
i think you've been forgetting to take your geritol, grandpa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
this thread is about i lewis 'scooter' libby. a couple of months ago you started a thread about a clinton era political appointee.....try and stay on topic, or it's off the to old timer's league.
So, Scooter gets 2 1/2 years for not remembering when he told a reporter about a non-covert CIA agent.
Ramos and Campean get 12 years for shooting an illegal immigrant drug dealer in the butt.
Sandy Burglar gets... nothing... for stealing classified documents.
12 million illegal immigrants get... legal status and open invitations to bring their families along.
Bush better pardon Scooter soon or I've washed my hands of this present administration.:confused:
nonsense. he was convicted of obstructing justice, perjury, and lying to the FBI----about a national security issue.....during a time of 'war'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
Jury convicts Libby on four charges - Politics - MSNBC.com
nonsense. just last month the CIA confirmed she was classified as covert when libby started blabbing to reporters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
Plame was ‘covert’ agent at time of name leak - Politics - MSNBC.com
uh-oh. looks like another one of those senior moments. you're off topic....again. here's a link to the thread you started.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
https://teakdoor.com/us-domestic-issu...ers-pants.html
maybe you'd like to watch the weather channel instead?
in addition to containing one of your predictable strawmen, this line also has the ring of american talk radio to it. you got this from limbaugh and/or hannity, didn't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
Link?Quote:
Originally Posted by raycarey
She was not covert and even if she was, Libby would have had no knowledge of her status at CIA. As a matter of fact, she was transitioning to a management position during this period...
Back of the class again ray...:rolleyes:
oh my.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
this is worse than i thought.
the link is included in my post.....it's the one that says "plame was covert agent at time of name leak".
your short term memory issues while sometimes humorous, are kind of sad really.
here's the 'money line' from the link...
and here's that link.....AGAINQuote:
An unclassified summary of outed CIA officer Valerie Plame's employment history at the spy agency, disclosed for the first time today in a court filing by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, indicates that Plame was "covert" when her name became public in July 2003.
Plame was ‘covert’ agent at time of name leak - Politics - MSNBC.com
"After the Novak column was published and Plame's identity was widely reported in the media, and according to the document, "the CIA lifted Ms Wilson's cover" and then "rolled back her cover" effective to the date of the leak."
And Libby was to have 'outed' Plame before the Novak column?
More smoke & mirrors again ray...
Try again.
(If this) was an ordinary case, probably would result in probation-only with no sentence of jail time.
"At trial, the Prosecutor denied the defendant access to classified records about Plame's status, saying her status was irrelevant because he was charging no violation of that law. The parties were thereafter barred from mentioning it, though Fitzgerald broke that when he made his hyperbolic "cloud on the vice president" rebuttal closing to the jury-an act which breached the court's rule and put before the jury prejudicial matters never introduced into evidence and in a time and manner precluding a response."
Read on
i guess you and littlegreenfootballs.com know more than the CIA about her status right boonie?Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
why is it always a conspiracy with your type boonie?
and even if she wasn't covert, why was libby blabbing about her to the press in the first place.....and if she wasn't covert, why did libby lie to the FBI and then further obstruct the investigation?
it all seems so very 'un-american'.
^
Libby's 'crime' was that he didn't take the 5th...:bunny3:
this ought to be good.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
why should libby have 'taken the 5th'?
^
For the same reason Clinton obfuscated and lied re Monica?
To save his own skin.
Anyhow, this case is a travisty of justice when compared to the gravity of Sandy Berger crime.
To wit: "When Chris Wallace raised the possibility that Clinton's Administration might have done something more to prevent 9/11, Bill Clinton went into an inexplicable rage on national television. Wallace touched a nerve. So did the DC Bar.
Knowing what information Berger destroyed also might alter views of the current Bush Administration. Was the early support from both Bill and Hillary Clinton for going to war against Saddam based on something we don't know yet that was available to insiders in the Clinton Administration? Was it something that could come back to haunt Hillary and ruin her chances of winning Bill's third term?
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^ more off topic drivel from boonie. but i suppose that's just par for the course here in US issues.
but i'd like to be clear about something....
the US justice department asked the FBI to open a criminal investigation into the alleged leaking of a covert CIA agent's identity.....and you think the vice president's chief of staff should have taken the fifth?
during a time of war, you think the vice president's chief of staff should have taken the fifth to save his own skin when asked by the FBI about the leaking of the identity of a covert CIA agent.
this is your position, correct?
unbelievableQuote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
it's not the failure and incompetence in response to hurricane katrina.
or the reckless spending of the last six years.
it's not the arrogance and ineptitude displayed in iraq
or any of the other countless failures.....
boonie will 'was his hands' if the president doesn't pardon a man who was convicted of obstructing justice and lying to the FBI.....about the outing of a CIA agent during a time of war.
god bless america.
He should have had a 'forgetful' memory.
A crime that pales in light of what Burger did...
^
Hence the light sentence.
Could have shot him for treason - oh, no, hang on, he's one of the 'good' guys, like Oliver North. :rolleyes:
Basically already have.Quote:
Originally Posted by raycarey
This latest amnesty immigration bill was the last straw...
I he got 30 months didn't he? Do they have white collar prisons in the US? I hope not... Scooter is quite an apt nickname eh? He's going to get ridden a fair bit now :)
I reckon Libby will serve 15 months for good behaviour and then be pardoned after his release by the outgoing pres Bush jr.
^^
Naw...had a look at him?
Nobody would want to ride that old wrinkled ass...:rolleyes:
I think jail rape is more about power than sex... Scooter will make some crack head Crip nigger a fine piece of lugage :) I only hope Bush, Cheney and Rove will end up in the same boat :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
It's more about humiliation than sex.
I can see the odd bit of forced bukkake 'coming' his way...:rofl:
He's going to a Federal minimum security 'lockup' where white-collar criminals do their time so it's unlikely he'd get gang-raped by a black crack-addicted individual.
He isn't all that popular amongst white crack-addicted individuals either, I heard.
Not even amongst non-addicted inmates, rumour has it.:)
Scooter will be in solitary for his own protection.
No doubt about that.
He'll write his memoirs and make a fortune.
The only Bloods and Crips he'll see will be some of the Guards.
But he will be a jailed felon. :p
no doubt he'll write them, but i don't think he'll make millions.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
and you're right, scooter's probably on his way to club fed. far from doing hard time......while negotiating his book contract, he'll be playing tennis and doing yoga.
and let's remember that this is the vice president's chief of staff who was convicted of obstructing justice and lying to the FBI about his blabbing to the press about the identity of a CIA agent....during a time of war.
a pardon? at other points in the short history of the US, he would have been hanged a traitor.
Good point Boon. Some people are more equal than others. Sandy Berger is one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
Armitage is the one who mention Wison's wife worked for the CIA. He told more than one reporter. What he told Woodward is in post #231 of this topic.
It became gossip and Libby repeated the gossip. For this he goes to jail. Why didn't they pursue Armitage? After all the taxpayers money spent investigating and gunning for the President and the VP, all they ended up with was Libby. Libby took the fall because they had to show something for their efforts. It's a shame but that's how it goes when the small fish get caught up in the net that yields no big catch. No one helps them get out. Libby even did some legal work for Armitage in a libel suit.
ridiculous. but let's for a moment assume that the identity of a CIA agent was, 'gossip'.Quote:
Originally Posted by attaboy
why was the vice president's chief of staff gossiping with reporters about the identity of a CIA agent...during a time of war?
and again, he was convicted of obstructing justice and lying to the FBI.
my understanding is that armitage mistakenly revealed the info, while libby did it deliberately (and THAT is a crime)....and then obstructed justice and lied to the FBI about it.....armitage immediately came clean to the justice department---in fact, from what i read, as soon as he realized what he had done, he contacted fitzgerald before fitzgerald contacted him...why didn't libby do the same? why did libby obstruct justice? why did he lie to the FBI?Quote:
Originally Posted by attaboy
answer those questions, and you'll know why libby is going to jail and armitage isn't.
yeah, why should tax payer money be spent on trying to determine who leaked the name of a covert CIA agent during a time of war?Quote:
Originally Posted by attaboy
'all they ended up with was libby' because of how effectively libby obstructed justice.....if he had cooperated, the VP might have been indicted, and scooter probably wouldn't be going to jail.
nonsense. libby took the fall because he was proctecting cheney. he was convicted because he obstructed justice and lied to the FBI.Quote:
Originally Posted by attaboy
you're blaming armitage for libby's situation? somehow armitage should be able to rescue libby from the wolves by coming clean? he already came clean. perhaps if his old boss dick cheney came clean, libby wouldn't be going away for 30 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by attaboy
and i certainly hope that you aren't suggesting that the state department and the vice president's office were somehow involved in this together, because that would only further illustrate how little you really know about this case.
ray, your concern during a "time of war" doesn't ring true. I think you would applaud the disruption of US covert efforts during this particular time of war. Any disruption whether directly effecting US efforts or distracting from those efforts to the slightest degree, you'd be all for it. Any movement any any direction other than forward would be a victory in your book. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by raycarey
No shit...Quote:
Originally Posted by attaboyray, your concern during a "time of war" doesn't ring true. I think you would applaud the disruption of US covert efforts during this particular time of war. Any disruption whether directly effecting US efforts or distracting from those efforts to the slightest degree, you'd be all for it. Any movement any any direction other than forward would be a victory in your book. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by raycarey
am i also suffering from alzheimer's or is my response to post #274 missing?
Probably a touch of CRS (can't remember shit) there ray.Quote:
Originally Posted by raycarey
It happens to us all - but, back on topic. Once again I ask you:
What if his name had been Karl instead of Sandy ?:rolleyes:
you've never asked me, "what if his name had been karl instead of sandy". never. so why you do say you are asking me 'again'? you do understand the meaning of the word 'again', right? i hope i don't have to point this out to you.....again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
i'm not going click through to your link----you've already been told, "bloggers need not apply". however, i'm assuming the thesis is karl rove would have been crucified if he had done what berger did. wow.....that's certainly one clever blogger!
but i'll give the standard bush white house reply....'i don't deal in hypotheticals'.
btw, over two years ago i started a thread questioning berger's behavior and the justice meted out......where the fuck were you? posting about jane fonda and skylab?
sandy berger - Ajarn Forum - Living, Teaching, and Surviving in Thailand.
Well, it's only recently that Berger had to give up his law license and the ramifications of his previous criminal activities have fully come to light.Quote:
Originally Posted by raycarey
Besides, I don't have time (nor inclination) to check out Ajarn...:rolleyes:
i responded earlier to this, but for some reason it's not here.Quote:
Originally Posted by attaboy
anyway, it was something along the lines of....
you do realize that it was the vice president's office, and libby in particular, that were trying to scare the american public about the threat from AQ and making broad, sweeping declarations about 'the war on terror' and 'the long war'...... and at the very same time, libby was blabbing to reporters about the identity of a CIA agent.Quote:
gee, you think? what gave me away? i guess i'll have to work on my subtlety.
and when asked about it by the FBI, he lied.
here's fitzgerald on why he prosecuted libby ....
CNN.com - TranscriptsQuote:
"QUESTION: You've received a lot of criticism in the last couple months, because Rich Armitage had come forward and said he was the first leaker, that you knew that at the beginning.
"Do you think this now justifies your investigation? And what do you have to say to those critics?
"FITZGERALD: I would say this: It's not the verdict that justifies the investigation, it's the facts.
"If people would step back and look at what happened here, when the investigation began in the fall of 2003, and then when I got appointed special counsel at the end of December 2003, what is now clear is what we knew at that time.
"By that point in time, we knew Mr. Libby had told a story that what he had told reporters had come not from other government officials but from reporter Tim Russert.
"It's also now public that by that point in time the FBI had learned that, in fact, Tim Russert did not tell Mr. Libby that information. In fact, Tim Russert didn't know it. Tim Russert could not have told him.
"And for us, as investigators and prosecutors, to take a case where a high-level official is telling a story that the basis of his information wasn't from government officials but came from a reporter, [when] the reporter had told us that was not true, other officials had told us the information came from them, we could not walk away from that.
"And to me, it's inconceivable that any responsible prosecutor would walk away from the facts that we saw in December 2003 and say, 'There's nothing here; move along, folks.'
"And one responsibility we have as prosecutors is we cannot always explain what we do, why we charge or why we don't charge. But at the end of the day, if we look you in the eye and say, 'We made a decision: Charges are not appropriate,' we have to feel comfortable ourselves that that's the case.
"And none of us on the team can walk away from what we knew in December 2003. . . .
"And so we've brought charges, we went to trial and we've proved the case. So we think the facts justify themselves."