U.S. v. Libby

**lom** · 18-03-2007, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Y'all won't be satisfied until Rove is in chains or worse. But guess what? It ain't gonna happen.

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**Boon Mee** · 18-03-2007, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by lom

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Y'all won't be satisfied until Rove is in chains or worse. But guess what? It ain't gonna happen.

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Good. The point still remains that Rove has not done anything illegal.
He remains a thorn in the side of the Libs for being so effective at hoisting them on their own petard...

**Boon Mee** · 18-03-2007, 12:36 AM

So it was JOE WILSON WHO OUTED VALERIE PLAME? And even she didn't knowwhether she was covert?

Another non-scandal...

**raycarey** · 18-03-2007, 09:10 AM

keep dreaming boner.

**Butterfly** · 18-03-2007, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Good. The point still remains that Rove has not done anything illegal.

what's with you admiration with Rove ? another secret love ? the guy is a nazi scum.

**attaboy** · 18-03-2007, 10:46 AM

Good post Boon. This in bold quote by Armitage

Woodward: Well it was Joe Wilson who was sent by the agency, isn’t it?
Armitage: His wife works for the agency.
Woodward: Why doesn’t that come out? Why does that have to be a big secret?
Armitage: (over) Everybody knows it.
Woodward: Everyone knows?
Armitage: Yeah. And they know ’cause Joe Wilson’s been calling everybody. He’s pissed off ’cause he was designated as a low level guy went out to look at it. So he’s all pissed off.
Woodward: But why would they send him?
Armitage: Because his wife’s an analyst at the agency.
Woodward: It’s still weird.
Armitage: He — he’s perfect. She — she, this is what she does. She’s a WMD analyst out there.
Woodward: Oh, she is.
Armitage: (over) Yeah.

dovetails quite well with the Wilson interview with Blitzer. They indicate a man in need of high status in a town where your status means everything.

WILSON: Again, my name didn't appear in the indictment. There are instances of -- and you go to the Spy Museum here, you can see a number of high-profile people who served their country even though they had high-profile positions in different professions.

BLITZER: So you don't have any regrets about the Vanity Fair picture?
WILSON: I think it's a great picture. I think someday you will, too.
BLITZER: It's a great picture. But I mean the fact that ...
WILSON: I think someday it, too, will be in the International Spy Museum.
BLITZER: But you don't think it was a mistake to do that?
WILSON: No.
BLITZER: OK.

In court cases the truth isn't that important. The objective is to present the most convincing story. If the truth can contribute to the story, that's okay. What ray has conveyed here in his topic is stories by reporters who were following the story the prosecutor was presenting. Stories of a story. It means there is plenty of room to spin a spin. Ray in turn is presenting a story in the form of a topic. How come his topic/story neglected the roll Armitage played in events? How come it doesn't include the question why the CIA briefer, who met with administration members, didn't advise them that Plame had covert status? I would think this is top priority for a CIA briefer especially during a time of war.

Victoria Toensing, former Chief Counsel of Senate Intelligence commmittee, who wrote the Intelligence Identity Protection Act testified Plame did not quailify as covert. She explained how she spent a great length of time hashing out with the CIA what defined "covert" when writing the law.

Waxman's hearing is a joke. He has restricted the types of questions which can be asked in order to protect the country's secrets. Yeah right. If he was so worried he could meet behind closed doors to get at the truth. But no, he wants a public circus. Here's a pic of some gay guy dressed in a pink Jackie-O outfit. He spent two hours on camera with his Impeach Bush Now message written on his t-shirt. At the close of the meeting he started shouting.

The Democrats call for conciliation yet they allow partisan nonsense to go on during hearings. I can't believe Wilson because he is a proven liar. I can't take Waxman seriously because he runs his hearings like a circus ringmaster. He did think of himself as some sort of overlord too. He would ask questions and when the witness began to respond he would talk over them and answer his own question. Asked and answered for the record by Waxman.

One of the lighter moments was when Rep. Diane Watson explained the training she underwent as ambassador to the Federated States of Micronesia.

" I was transported blindfolded on a C-130 just like Galactica 3000", she said.

You don't say?

**raycarey** · 18-03-2007, 11:12 AM

another in a line of attempts at distraction.

this is about valerie plame, not her husband.

she worked for the CIA....and at least 3 high level people in the white house (libby, rove, fleischer) blabbed to the press about her.

her career was destroyed (and her colleagues lives put in danger), because of a recklessly overagressive white house.

and then they lied about.

but go ahead and keep defending them though.

**attaboy** · 18-03-2007, 11:53 AM

Just jazzing up your topic a bit ray. Ruined career? She still works for the CIA and she has her new status in DC circles as well as her book deal and movie deal so I hear. Nothing like a movie to get the truth out to the people.

Once again I'm not defending Bush and Cheney. I'm giving Wilson a good belly punch.

Concerning your Gonzales topic, did you discuss Clinton firing 93 US attorneys in one day? That's all of them except for one. All of them in one fell swoop. I'd say that qualifies as a purge.

**raycarey** · 18-03-2007, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by attaboy

Once again I'm not defending Bush and Cheney. I'm giving Wilson a good belly punch.

you've certainly got delusions of adequacy.

Originally Posted by attaboy

Concerning your Gonzales topic, did you discuss Clinton firing 93 US attorneys in one day? That's all of them except for one. All of them in one fell swoop. I'd say that qualifies as a purge.

why not stop by that thread attaboy. don't be scared.

btw....that 'clinton did the same thing' straw man has already been debunked.

Originally Posted by attaboy

Nothing like a movie to get the truth out to the people.

'all the president's men' was effective at illustrating the specifics of a complex crime (and its cover-up) to the american people .

**attaboy** · 18-03-2007, 12:57 PM

Clinton strawman? People should understand how politics work. Clinton's style magnifies the lesson times 10. It makes it so much easier to understand.

**raycarey** · 18-03-2007, 01:05 PM

^

pssst.....attaboy......it starting to appear as if you are afraid to post on the gonzalez thread.

**attaboy** · 18-03-2007, 01:11 PM

What are you desperate? Is it just you over there? Is there an echoing sound in those two pages you've generated?

**raycarey** · 05-06-2007, 08:19 PM

libby gets sentenced today.

federal sentencing guidelines recommend 15-21 months.

the real question, though, is whether or not the judge will let him out on appeal.

if he is required to start serving his time immediately, bush will be under tremendous pressure from radical right-wingers to pardon him. if he's freed on appeal and is found guilty (again), bush will be able to pardon him on his way out the door in dec. 08.

**barbaro** · 06-06-2007, 12:00 AM

^

He did not set a date for Libby to report to prison. Though he saw no reason to let Libby remain free pending appeal, Walton said he would accept written arguments on the issue and rule later.

2.5 years in prison, and a 250K fine.

Slap on the wrist, but at least there is recognition of a crime.

Link: Libby sentenced to 30 months - Politics - MSNBC.com

**sabang** · 06-06-2007, 01:14 AM

Well justice has been seen to be done, but it's a bit of a hollow victory.
Everyone knows Libby was the fall guy, though still culpable.

**raycarey** · 06-06-2007, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

Everyone knows Libby was the fall guy, though still culpable.

true but (if) when he walks through those prison doors he'll be the first senior white house official to do so since watergate.

**Boon Mee** · 06-06-2007, 11:43 AM

Sandy Burgler's crime was of greater magnitude.
Libby's case is just another in a long string of more Bush-bashing...

**Boon Mee** · 06-06-2007, 12:03 PM

Sandy Berger: Above The Law

**sabang** · 06-06-2007, 12:09 PM

^^ Call it Bush bashing if you will, but it's there for a reason Boonie. Several reasons.

**raycarey** · 06-06-2007, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Sandy Burgler's crime was of greater magnitude. Libby's case is just another in a long string of more Bush-bashing

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Sandy Berger: Above The Law

i think you've been forgetting to take your geritol, grandpa.

this thread is about i lewis 'scooter' libby. a couple of months ago you started a thread about a clinton era political appointee.....try and stay on topic, or it's off the to old timer's league.

**Boon Mee** · 06-06-2007, 02:41 PM

So, Scooter gets 2 1/2 years for not remembering when he told a reporter about a non-covert CIA agent.

Ramos and Campean get 12 years for shooting an illegal immigrant drug dealer in the butt.

Sandy Burglar gets... nothing... for stealing classified documents.

12 million illegal immigrants get... legal status and open invitations to bring their families along.

Bush better pardon Scooter soon or I've washed my hands of this present administration.

**raycarey** · 06-06-2007, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Scooter gets 2 1/2 years for not remembering

nonsense. he was convicted of obstructing justice, perjury, and lying to the FBI----about a national security issue.....during a time of 'war'.

Jury convicts Libby on four charges - Politics - MSNBC.com

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

a non-covert CIA agent

nonsense. just last month the CIA confirmed she was classified as covert when libby started blabbing to reporters.

Plame was â€˜covertâ€™ agent at time of name leak - Politics - MSNBC.com

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Sandy Burglar gets... nothing... for stealing classified documents.

uh-oh. looks like another one of those senior moments. you're off topic....again. here's a link to the thread you started.

https://teakdoor.com/us-domestic-issu...ers-pants.html

maybe you'd like to watch the weather channel instead?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

12 million illegal immigrants get... legal status and open invitations to bring their families along

in addition to containing one of your predictable strawmen, this line also has the ring of american talk radio to it. you got this from limbaugh and/or hannity, didn't you?

**Boon Mee** · 06-06-2007, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

just last month the CIA confirmed she was classified as covert when libby started blabbing to reporters.

Link?

She was not covert and even if she was, Libby would have had no knowledge of her status at CIA. As a matter of fact, she was transitioning to a management position during this period...

Back of the class again ray...

**raycarey** · 06-06-2007, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Link? She was not covert and even if she was, Libby would have had no knowledge of her status at CIA. As a matter of fact, she was transitioning to a management position during this period... Back of the class again ray

oh my.
this is worse than i thought.

the link is included in my post.....it's the one that says "plame was covert agent at time of name leak".

your short term memory issues while sometimes humorous, are kind of sad really.

**raycarey** · 06-06-2007, 03:25 PM

here's the 'money line' from the link...

An unclassified summary of outed CIA officer Valerie Plame's employment history at the spy agency, disclosed for the first time today in a court filing by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, indicates that Plame was "covert" when her name became public in July 2003.

and here's that link.....AGAIN

Plame was â€˜covertâ€™ agent at time of name leak - Politics - MSNBC.com

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