Thread: Seeking info on rural areas.

awesome

I mean really.

I totally want to

have you considered california?

ever tried speaking to them in their own language? you might get better conversation, I did when we visited. (my wife speaks Thai, Spanish, French, and some bits of Chinese.)

i speak fluent thai, but have never managed anything approximating decent conversation with a tuk tuk operative, although i have had decent conversations with 10 year old children.

Originally Posted by taxexile

awesome

I mean really.

I totally want to

have you considered california?

That is like totally where I started from. How totally bogus would be going back to the start be, totally not awesome at all.

Is your wife Thai? If not, what visa would you both stay on?

Originally Posted by sumday

Do you think renting such a place would be about the same as renting a cheaper 2-3 bedroom in town? or significantly different one way or the other?

Seriously no idea I am afraid. I think it would very much depend upon what you mean by "rural". I live 45 mins away from central bankok (4 hours on a bad day) - and areas around here are pretty "rural". Rice growing, plant nurseries, veggie growing etc. Obviously going to be more expensive than deepest darkest isaan, but relative amounts? No idea.

Your best bet it to decide how "rural" you want to be, rent a property in the area for a few weeks or months, and explore the area. Thais are not really that big on the whole advertising property though agents thing - more likely to be a sign out side the property, or a telephone number - of course that has its own problems.

The advice on tuk tuk drivers is not too far off the mark though.

Originally Posted by sumday

I wont be large enough to step on any real farmers toes, and would not expect to sell any animals or anything, maybe give a pig to someone for butchering the rest, but not anything of any "scale". Well rabbits will be a large endevor. I could see myself having a 100 rabbits easy, all caged and not really taking up much room.

But mostly the rabbits are for mine and my dogs, food however if someone wanted to buy a few, I dont think I would turn them down. so I would have to just make sure to keep it small scale, and be aware of the "community" around me I think?

Do you think renting such a place would be about the same as renting a cheaper 2-3 bedroom in town? or significantly different one way or the other?

You're not going to find a homestead/hobby farm setup to rent in the sticks.
You would have to lease farmland an build something. They won't care what you do on the land. You could build a movable house, which are popular and readily available here.
But you would want longevity, particularly with a host of farm animals.

Your problem is that once you have made all the improvements,fencing, landscaping etc and even with a 30 year lease, if the Thai decides he can make more money from the land than you are paying you have to leave. If you didn't leave and tried to stand on your rights you would find poisoned animals, damaged property and finally you would have an accident.

There is not alot of law in the sticks, certainly not for a pair of farang.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Is your wife Thai? If not, what visa would you both stay on?

Wife is not Thai. Most likey we would be on a tourist visa, or a Non-immigrant Visa.

Sunday, what you want to do can be done, but you have to step carefully and believe no one, Thai or westerner.
I'm on youtube and have a blog some where, have a look, may help a bit, blog more than vids.

As to rents or costs, big country, different everywhere. If you were coming out my way could be more precise. Jm

Originally Posted by Necron99

Originally Posted by sumday

I wont be large enough to step on any real farmers toes, and would not expect to sell any animals or anything, maybe give a pig to someone for butchering the rest, but not anything of any "scale". Well rabbits will be a large endevor. I could see myself having a 100 rabbits easy, all caged and not really taking up much room.

But mostly the rabbits are for mine and my dogs, food however if someone wanted to buy a few, I dont think I would turn them down. so I would have to just make sure to keep it small scale, and be aware of the "community" around me I think?

Do you think renting such a place would be about the same as renting a cheaper 2-3 bedroom in town? or significantly different one way or the other?

You're not going to find a homestead/hobby farm setup to rent in the sticks.
You would have to lease farmland an build something. They won't care what you do on the land. You could build a movable house, which are popular and readily available here.
But you would want longevity, particularly with a host of farm animals.

Your problem is that once you have made all the improvements,fencing, landscaping etc and even with a 30 year lease, if the Thai decides he can make more money from the land than you are paying you have to leave. If you didn't leave and tried to stand on your rights you would find poisoned animals, damaged property and finally you would have an accident.

There is not alot of law in the sticks, certainly not for a pair of farang.

I would simply pull up the fencing, pack up the cages, sell or give away the animals (cept the dogs). and move. no hassle no fuss. for sure would not push it to the point of needing to be removed forcefully. Though it is very nice to know the way the situation would be, helps to know not to fight it, just go with the flow.

Originally Posted by sumday

Wife is not Thai. Most likey we would be on a tourist visa, or a Non-immigrant Visa.

I just wondered as it could be difficult, as I see it, if your wife ain't Thai.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Sunday, what you want to do can be done, but you have to step carefully and believe no one, Thai or westerner.
I'm on youtube and have a blog some where, have a look, may help a bit, blog more than vids.

As to rents or costs, big country, different everywhere. If you were coming out my way could be more precise. Jm

yeah I understand its a loaded question, hard enough to pinpoint rent costs in the states, even in the same town.

^ Have you looked at Malaysia? Easier visa regulations, and off the top of my head, think they allow foreign land ownership.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

^ Have you looked at Malaysia? Easier visa regulations, and off the top of my head, think they allow foreign land ownership.

No I had not, really considered it past the notion it could be a good place to explore for visa run. I had thought perhaps a place near the boarder of Malaysia or Cambodia would be a nice fit. But hadent really considered just living there to begin with.

You plan to live in the middle of nowhere. How do you propose to get food to eat? Milk, cheese, decent bread, any of the comforts of western cuisine.

Then we come to the internet, electricity, water and the such. Sound more like dreams than plans.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

I think it would very much depend upon what you mean by "rural". I live 45 mins away from central bankok (4 hours on a bad day) - and areas around here are pretty "rural". Rice growing, plant nurseries, veggie growing etc. Obviously going to be more expensive than deepest darkest isaan, but relative amounts? No idea.

Your best bet it to decide how "rural" you want to be, rent a property in the area for a few weeks or months, and explore the area. Thais are not really that big on the whole advertising property though agents thing - more likely to be a sign out side the property, or a telephone number - of course that has its own problems.

The advice on tuk tuk drivers is not too far off the mark though.

Just rural enough to not be in the city, just rural enough nobody minds chickens in my yard and the like. will to go farther to save baht but prefer to stay where I can get electric water and internet.

knowing the locals tend to use signs to rent rather than agency's and such is good tip. I had heard that adverts in English tended to be higher cost. but was unaware (though it makes sense) about the majority use "for sale signs".

I hate to rain on any parade. However, please keep in mind that a 30-year lease is just a piece of paper signed with all parties involved. Legally it should hold, but this is Thailand.

If you do not hold the chanote (ownership of the property) you are on your own.

Let's say five years down the road you are totally self-sufficient. Making money.

The Thai owners see this and shut you down in order to take over the operations.

The Thai's copy this time and time again...

Good Luck!

Originally Posted by sumday

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by sumday

Wife is not Thai. Most likey we would be on a tourist visa, or a Non-immigrant Visa.

I just wondered as it could be difficult, as I see it, if your wife ain't Thai.

yes I understand, we have even talked about divorce and marry a local (when we were considering owning a bar in SK), however its not really a solution as it simply opens us up to another set of issues, as im sure yall are more aware of than I)

but it was considered once. its nice to have a wife that's down with anything.

The 90 day visa runs will be a thing to get used to, though I hope I can travel by motor bike and spend some days in other areas for the visa run, so its not a total loss just mini vacations.

Speaking of which, if I take my bike and passport and ride around the country. How much hassle will I get for like sleeping in the open or "rough camping" etc.

You need to do a lot more reading, from what I've read so far you won't get multi entry 90 day visa.
Start at the beginning, how will you and your wife even be allowed to stay here, not worth looking at other things, until you sorted that.

Originally Posted by hillbilly

Let's say five years down the road you are totally self-sufficient. Making money.

The Thai owners see this and shut you down in order to take over the operations.

That would never be me. I am already self sufficient, and really expect my animals to provide only a portion of what I can use nothing more.

If they evict to take over operations, I would take the few animals with me right? they would not evict me to try to claim 3 pigs and a goat?

Sunday, simple you don't qualify for one.
They just don't give visas or extensions of stay because your a yank. Jim

Originally Posted by Necron99

for real. lot of trolls trying to talk me out of it. but a few in here with good info.