Thread: Rubber trees 101

Originally Posted by farmerjohn

Originally Posted by thaiguzzi

Sold @ auction yesterday, 25.16 baht per kg. Local gate price 23.50 on the same day. Superb production because it was a month's worth in a fortnight sale...

would you be getting a kilo per month per tree [average]in the good production times?

Can't answer for Mick, we did 7,000 kilos of wet cup last month, not too bad because of rain.
251 clones are pumping it out, so the average per tree drops down, depending on clone type.
Would think in those few good months, we get around a kilo a month average DRC per tree.

Oct-Nov-Dec-Jan, are the good months. Cool to even cold at night, rains gone, so yes a kilo per tree per month average, even a tad more.

to produce that much per tree you must have very good trees. a good return on the investment you both have made me thinks....... even at todays lower price levels. a lot better then working all your life in the west and then finding out you have lost your with profits part of your pension fund through no fault of your own.

Originally Posted by farmerjohn

to produce that much per tree you must have very good trees. a good return on the investment you both have made me thinks....... even at todays lower price levels. a lot better then working all your life in the west and then finding out you have lost your with profits part of your pension fund through no fault of your own.

Hey Farmer John you don't live about 7 kms from Bankruat do you on the road to Lahansai?

Yeah but those 4 months of good times have to make up for the poor figures in the April-Sept period of rains and times of being unable to tap. Then you have the dormant period of no tapping and zero income from the trees mid Feb to mid April.

Originally Posted by thaiguzzi

Yeah but those 4 months of good times have to make up for the poor figures in the April-Sept period of rains and times of being unable to tap. Then you have the dormant period of no tapping and zero income from the trees mid Feb to mid April.

Bit touch and go last dormant period, got to get the cash in the bank in the good months, not easy to save at today's prices.
Fingers crossed, things pick up a bit after the rains finish, or more belt tightening is on the cards.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by farmerjohn

to produce that much per tree you must have very good trees. a good return on the investment you both have made me thinks....... even at todays lower price levels. a lot better then working all your life in the west and then finding out you have lost your with profits part of your pension fund through no fault of your own.

Hey Farmer John you don't live about 7 kms from Bankruat do you on the road to Lahansai?

nope, up north more out in the woods........

Sold @ auction yesterday, 24.05 baht per kg, gate prices locally around 21.50 baht per kg.

One neighbour has just found "gas Injection" for his rubber trees. He has as started a 20 tree project to test it. Has anybody tried this ?

Sold at 20baht cup gate price yesterday..wife tells me 16/17 baht today...sigh.

Originally Posted by panama hat

asis of my latex work. It's less a matter of the actual 'gas', rather a combination of altering tapping styles as well Some examples

Thanks, do you have any figures on links indicating the increased yield, fertiliser regime or reduction in labour schedule

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by panama hat

asis of my latex work. It's less a matter of the actual 'gas', rather a combination of altering tapping styles as well Some examples

Thanks, do you have any figures on links indicating the increased yield, fertiliser regime or reduction in labour schedule

I can put you in touch with a guy who owns a company that deals with the whole vertical integration aspect, from gaseous application, rain protectors, non-toxic coagulators, tapping schedules, tapping techniques, fertiliser etc...

Basically increase will be between 2 and four times, depending on the clone and if you use a six inch tap at an increased angle you can work out time saving on labor.

What happens is, basically, that ethylene slows down the coagulating process (hence it is better to start tapping at 3 or 4 am) - and the angle allows for a quicker flow.
It is not harmful as ethylene is only infused by the tree, there is no invasive procedure

Let me know, the guy is Malaysian but has Thai partners for Thailand

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by panama hat

asis of my latex work. It's less a matter of the actual 'gas', rather a combination of altering tapping styles as well Some examples

Thanks, do you have any figures on links indicating the increased yield, fertiliser regime or reduction in labour schedule

I can put you in touch with a guy who owns a company that deals with the whole vertical integration aspect, from gaseous application, rain protectors, non-toxic coagulators, tapping schedules, tapping techniques, fertiliser etc...

Basically increase will be between 2 and four times, depending on the clone and if you use a six inch tap at an increased angle you can work out time saving on labor.

What happens is, basically, that ethylene slows down the coagulating process (hence it is better to start tapping at 3 or 4 am) - and the angle allows for a quicker flow.
It is not harmful as ethylene is only infused by the tree, there is no invasive procedure

Let me know, the guy is Malaysian but has Thai partners for Thailand

Interesting..why not share on here?

Originally Posted by panama hat

Let me know, the guy is Malaysian but has Thai partners for Thailand

Thanks for the offer I will talk to the Thai neighbor, via a translator, and see if he is interested.

Global and Chinese Natural Rubber Industry Report, 2014-2018

Interesting read, not enough rubber being produced, another report has very dry weather in rubber producing countries dropping output even more.

2 brand new sheet rubber factories have opened up, one 60 km north of me, Lao border and the other 70 km south west, Cambodia border.
Big investments, so someone thinks things will be picking up.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Global and Chinese Natural Rubber Industry Report, 2014-2018

Interesting read, not enough rubber being produced, another report has very dry weather in rubber producing countries dropping output even more.

2 brand new sheet rubber factories have opened up, one 60 km north of me, Lao border and the other 70 km south west, Cambodia border.
Big investments, so someone thinks things will be picking up.

Nice to read that there could be light at the end of the tunnel Jim .

Originally Posted by jamescollister

so someone thinks things will be picking up.

Unfortunately as a lot of Thai farmers live hand to mouth it may not happen quickly enough.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by jamescollister

so someone thinks things will be picking up.

Unfortunately as a lot of Thai farmers live hand to mouth it may not happen quickly enough.

Rubber is a bit different to rice, cassava or any seasonal crop.
It's a weekly wage for most of the year, 10 rai or more and even at bad prices they drive new cars.
Most will have a rice crop as well, food covered, no rent or mortgage, so income from the rubber is expendable.

Rubber, family farmers do ok, it's the bigger guys that complain the most, they are employers, low prices cut into profits.

Originally Posted by OhOh

That or sell/rent out a daughter.

Or themselves. Woman up the road just bought herself a farang (German), 25,000 Baht on the internet. He hasn't known her for more than a week or so and he paid her folks 300,000 Baht for the Sin Sot. That should keep the leaches happy for a few months.
She was a mia noi til she bought the German. Wouldn't surprise me if she still sees the Thai guy. It's a small village, but talk is plentiful, I'll let you know.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Possibly for a land owner who has capital to survive.

I see the "workers" driving off at night riding well used motor bikes. Not so much now as many rubber farms appear to be abandoned/dormant. The "workers", with no weekly wage, are forced to accept day labour jobs, try illegal "foresting" or move to a city job to keep the wife and family together. That or sell/rent out a daughter.

The government gave out free land and free rubber trees years ago, free crown land is still available,
If you are too lazy to to put in the hours to begin with, you can't expect someone to do it for you.
Illegal logging is big money, as is drug smuggling, dealing, stealing, they aren't forced to do it, easy money. ask a criminal in the UK, USA

Those idle plantations you speak of, are probably unable to hire worker to tap, low price means low wages for the workers.

Those poor Thais having to move to the city for work, FFS, that's the world over, you follow the jobs.

Where can you buy these daughters. or rent them, bar girls are there for the money, easier then working for a living.
Tales of I need the money to support my poor starving family, while taking on a brand new I phone, don't wash.

Prag, go to some inner city shit hole any where in the world, find a hooker, single mun, party girl, tell her here's a big wad of cash, new house, new car and weekly income, come be my girlfriend, see what happens.

The Strongest El Nino In 18 Years Would Further Affect Global NR Production In 2015



The Strongest El Nino In 18 Years Would Further Affect Global NR Production In 2015

The global NR production is expected to decrease further in 2015 following the prolonged and strong El Nino.

As a matter of fact, for the first seven months of 2015, NR production in Association of Natural Rubber Producing Countries (ANRPC) fell by 2.1% to 5.895 million MT as compared to the same period in 2014 at 6.020 million MT.

The current phenomena of El Nino is the strongest in 18 years since 1997 and is forecast by National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), USA to linger until end of this year and most likely to continue even further to early 2016.

El Nino changes the weather pattern and many countries are experiencing hot and dry weather. The current prolonged El Nino brings drought to agriculture areas and impacting negatively the production of many commodities such as wheat, sugarcane, cocoa, natural rubber and palm oil in several parts of the world particularly in USA, Latin America, Asia and Australia.

In addition to that, the current non-remunerative low price would further impact NR production in all producing countries.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

free crown land is still available,

Have you any links to this, Thai or English?

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by jamescollister

free crown land is still available,

Have you any links to this, Thai or English?

Sor. Por. Gor is the main one, but there are lots of other titles.

If you go to the land office, say your poor, have no land, they can give you some, go to the Amphor or Tessaban, claim some no title land, pay the land taxes yearly and get a possession right.

See some unused [3 years] Sor Por Gor land, you can claim it, as it reverts to the crown if not used.

Other schemes around me, cheap or free land for rubber and palm oil, part of the populate the border plan.

Some years ago and may be still, they were giving out free shop-houses, Chong Mek border crossing, if you lived in it for 10 years, it was yours. Government built towns long borders have lots of schemes to attract outsiders in.

Right now near me, the army is confiscating loads of land near a dam, Lao land border.
Given out 10 years ago for palm and rubber plantations, 10 years up, no plantation, land goes back to the crown and can be given to someone else.

I have 15 rai from the rubber board, had to pay 5,000 Baht a rai [grease] got free rubber trees. Over 10 years now and if they ever get around to checking it, a charnote will be issued.

Thais are generally lazy, full rice bowl today, Buddha will take care of tomorrow, working for your future is not necessary.

Have little time for the poor villager crying poverty, while sleeping in his hammock or drinking Lao Kow all day.

Except for some teachers and government guys, not one person in my village has a job, those that took up rubber, palm oil or cashew nuts, all have new cars and concrete brick homes.