Thread: Rubber trees 101

Yeah it will be interesting how this pans out, of course Thai justice being what it is, its some what difficult to forecast the out come of the trial , I seem to remember a few years ago when the Son of a leading Thai rak Thai politician ,blew a copper away with his trusty .38 in front of packed audience in a bangers bar ,but true to form the case was thrown out for "lack of evidence"

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by thaimeme

paving paradise and calling it whatever

Developed nation is the word you were looking for. Developed enough for the masses to live on Gov. handout and vote in the next bunch of people who promise more .......... but continue the raping.

Many outsiders might prefer this.
Lines up nicely with their harmonious fanciful agendas.

this may help reduce more surplus latex: Forest Department has plan to seize back 5.1 million rai of rubber plantations - Thai PBS English News

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by thaimeme

paving paradise and calling it whatever

Developed nation is the word you were looking for. Developed enough for the masses to live on Gov. handout and vote in the next bunch of people who promise more .......... but continue the raping.

Many outsiders might prefer this.
Lines up nicely with their harmonious fanciful agendas.

Any chance of translating your ramblings into plain English ?

From the link

As for rubber plantations in A 3-5 watershed areas, rubber trees which are less than seven years old will be chopped down whereas those over seven years old will be kept and managed to community cooperatives or local administration bodies for the benefits of the localities.

Benefits? The price has collapsed.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

From the link

As for rubber plantations in A 3-5 watershed areas, rubber trees which are less than seven years old will be chopped down whereas those over seven years old will be kept and managed to community cooperatives or local administration bodies for the benefits of the localities.

Benefits? The price has collapsed.

Yeah its those evil Farangs fault for flooding the market ,ain't that right Jeff

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

From the link

As for rubber plantations in A 3-5 watershed areas, rubber trees which are less than seven years old will be chopped down whereas those over seven years old will be kept and managed to community cooperatives or local administration bodies for the benefits of the localities.

Benefits? The price has collapsed.

Strange, but gate price for cup has gone up 5 Baht from the low at the end off the season. Don't know why, speculators may be, but 5 Baht extra buys a lot of beer.

There was a report on the BBC two days ago about the demand for rubber. It focussed on the environmental angle but the rubber demand angle was clear.


Demand for rubber 'threatens forests'

The global demand for rubber tyres is threatening protected forests in Southeast Asia, according to a study.

Tropical forests are being cleared for rubber plantations, putting endangered birds, bats and primates at risk, say UK researchers.

By 2024, up to 8.5 million hectares of new rubber plantations will be needed to meet demand, they report in Conservation Letters.

This could have a "catastrophic" impact on wildlife, they warn.

Species such as the endangered white-shouldered ibis, yellow-cheeked crested gibbon and clouded leopard could lose precious habitat, said the team led by Eleanor Warren-Thomas, from the School of Environmental Sciences at the University of East Anglia.

"The tyre industry consumes 70% of all natural rubber grown, and rising demand for vehicle and aeroplane tyres is behind the recent expansion of plantations. But the impact of this is a loss of tropical biodiversity," she said.

"We predict that between 4.3 and 8.5 million hectares of new plantations will be required to meet projected demand by 2024. This will threaten significant areas of Asian forest, including many protected areas."

Eight-point-five million hectares is about the size of the land area of Austria.

Biodiversity concern

Rubber is the most rapidly expanding tree crop within mainland Southeast Asia.

Concern has been growing among conservationists that switching land use to rubber cultivation can harm soil, water and biodiversity.


There's more here: Demand for rubber 'threatens forests' - BBC News

Originally Posted by Neverna

Demand for rubber 'threatens forests'

Don't really see it happening, just a paper written by some know nothing people making predictions on limited facts.
Unless there is a mega price increase in the next 2 years, those trees need to be in the ground in 2018 to be producing in 2024.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Demand for rubber 'threatens forests'

Oil prices will rebound and so will rubber prices . . . the lunacy of converting rubber to palm oil plantations a few years ago hurt many small farmers quite badly.

Rubber will claw its way back . . . and more is already being planted in Cambodia, Malaysia, Indomesia etc . . .

Originally Posted by Neverna

Demand for rubber 'threatens forests'

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Don't really see it happening, just a paper written by some know nothing people making predictions on limited facts.

Hardly know-nothing people . . .

The Forest Department has targeted to reclaim 400,000 rai of land in national forest reserves which have been encroached and transformed into rubber plantations this year, said the department head Mr Thirapat Prayoonsit.

There are altogether 1,221 forest reserves scattering across the country and more than 1,000 of them have been encroached. The encroached land totals 5.1 million rai of which 4.1 million rai are in forest reserves, about one million rai in national parks and about 10,000 rai in mangrove forests.

Most of the encroached land have been turned into rubber plantations and the encroachers range from politicians, influential figures to businessmen and ordinary people.

Forest Department has plan to seize back 5.1 million rai of rubber plantations - Thai PBS English News

Does anyone have a link to a map showing the locations of these "forest reserves"?

Originally Posted by OhOh

Does anyone have a link to a map showing the locations of these "forest reserves"?

Do you mean this? List of protected areas of Thailand - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by OhOh

Does anyone have a link to a map showing the locations of these "forest reserves"?

Do you mean this? List of protected areas of Thailand - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Protected for whom?

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Do you mean this? List of protected areas of Thailand - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thanks for the list. I find it extremely difficult to locate many of the areas listed. Thats why I was looking for a map.

(Reuters) - Big Asian rubber producers, including world No. 1 Sri Trang Agro-Industry Plc, are set to hike prices sharply, ditching a system of pegging prices near a benchmark set by the Singapore SICOM exchange.

The producers plan to charge a significant premium over the exchange-traded futures contract from the second half of 2015, a move that marks a radical pricing change in an industry where plummeting prices have hit farmers badly.

"Prices of SICOM no longer reflect the real cost of rubber production," a spokesman from Thailand-based Sri Trang told Reuters in an email, adding the company would also stop delivery to the bourse.

Singapore Exchange, which owns SICOM, was not immediately available for comment.

The move by Sri Trang was similar to plans by another major rubber producer, Halcyon Agri Corp Ltd.

Halcyon Chief Executive Robert Meyer said other Indonesian producers have done the same.

"There is a dislocation between SICOM prices and actual physical prices," Meyer told Reuters in an interview. Physical rubber prices are already 3-4 cents per kilogram higher than SICOM prices, he said.

Halcyon Agri and Sri Trang together account for nearly a fifth of global rubber output.

Other Thai growers Southland Rubber, Thai Hua Rubber and Sri Trang affiliates Rubberland Products and Num Hua, have informed the Thai Rubber Association they are taking the same steps, the industry group said in a statement to Reuters. (Reporting by Manolo Serapio Jr. and A. Ananthalakshmi; Editing by Joseph Radford)

Originally Posted by OhOh

Thanks for the list. I find it extremely difficult to locate many of the areas listed. Thats why I was looking for a map.

Each link should have a map?

Originally Posted by jamescollister

(Reuters) - Big Asian rubber producers, including world No. 1 Sri Trang Agro-Industry Plc, are set to hike prices sharply, ditching a system of pegging prices near a benchmark set by the Singapore SICOM exchange.

The producers plan to charge a significant premium over the exchange-traded futures contract from the second half of 2015, a move that marks a radical pricing change in an industry where plummeting prices have hit farmers badly.

"Prices of SICOM no longer reflect the real cost of rubber production," a spokesman from Thailand-based Sri Trang told Reuters in an email, adding the company would also stop delivery to the bourse.

Singapore Exchange, which owns SICOM, was not immediately available for comment.


The move by Sri Trang was similar to plans by another major rubber producer, Halcyon Agri Corp Ltd.

Halcyon Chief Executive Robert Meyer said other Indonesian producers have done the same.

"There is a dislocation between SICOM prices and actual physical prices," Meyer told Reuters in an interview. Physical rubber prices are already 3-4 cents per kilogram higher than SICOM prices, he said.

Halcyon Agri and Sri Trang together account for nearly a fifth of global rubber output.

Other Thai growers Southland Rubber, Thai Hua Rubber and Sri Trang affiliates Rubberland Products and Num Hua, have informed the Thai Rubber Association they are taking the same steps, the industry group said in a statement to Reuters. (Reporting by Manolo Serapio Jr. and A. Ananthalakshmi; Editing by Joseph Radford)

Strange.. nothing on Sri Trang's web site? They are not growers as far as I can see.

Reuters article has a (stock?) pic of Vietnamese cutter? ...interesting rain shades though.

No mention of paying more to farmers...more about their value add.

Reuters are a bit Fox News methinks..

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Prices of SICOM no longer reflect the real cost of rubber production

A world commodity being manipulated, whatever next will they think of.

Of rain guards:
Been contemplating the "rain take away all deah!" issue for years.

Thought perhaps a simple low cost solution maybe just to tie a plastic bag/sheet over cutting panel that flaps over cup using the old strip of inner tube ploy.

Most water comes down the trunk thence into cut,spout and cup. Think plastic would keep out 90% of rainwater.

Moving the sheet aside and hooking onto cup holder wire end to tap would perhaps take 10 seconds at the outside but the ROI of time could well reap rewards.

Think I will try a couple of trees near the house. If it works hopefully the evidence of their eyes will convince the cutters? 5555

Looked into commercial product but seemed gross overkill and overly expensive.

^^^^
Was thinking will try a few experiments:
One or two trees with just plastic panel and rubber retaining strip.
One or two with an underlying rubber strip to sandwich plastic panel.
One or two with liquid latex bead at join between plastic and trunk.
One or two with axle grease between plastic and trunk.

We will see...need some bloody rain first!!! 5555

^^^

More off the wall thought:

Think will ask the wife to make a cut above the panel ...just maybe it will divert most of the down trunk water without the need for any other solution?

Word from former PM Chuan.

https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...rmers-not.html (Chuan urges southern rubber farmers not to expect rubber price to skyrocket)

All been done before, crepitas - no need to re-invent the wheel

Rubber in China Enters Bull Market as Exporters Restrict Supply
Rubber in Shanghai entered a bull market as exporters attempt to restrict shipments to bolster prices, raising speculation a global surplus is shrinking.
Rubber for delivery in September advanced 2.9 percent to end at 14,470 yuan ($2,333) a metric ton on the Shanghai Futures Exchange, more than 20 percent above the Dec. 11 close of 11,910 yuan, meeting the common definition of a bull market.
Futures in December hit the weakest in almost six years as trees planted in the past decade in Asia matured and flooded the market just as China’s economy slowed. Producers including Thailand, the biggest exporter, are seeking to stem the loss by restricting shipments and reducing growing areas. Stockpiles monitored by the SHFE slumped to an 18-month low last week.
“Supply may decrease as exporters from Thailand to Indonesia are withholding delivery because of low prices,” said Kazuhiko Saito, an analyst at Fujitomi Co., a broker in Tokyo.
Five Thai and seven Indonesian exporters have agreed not to renew contracts with dealers who deliver rubber on the Singapore Exchange because prices are too low, according to Chaiyos Sincharoenkul, the president of the Thai Rubber Association. Futures in Singapore have lost 12 percent in the past year.
Goodyear, Bridgestone
Rising prices may boost costs for companies including Bridgestone Corp. and Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. and help farmers in producer countries from Thailand to Vietnam.
Inventories monitored by the Shanghai exchange rose 0.6 percent this week to 135,080 tons, climbing from the lowest since October 2013 and snapping a six-week decline, exchange data showed Thursday.
China’s rubber imports rose 24 percent to 220,444 tons in March from the previous month, rebounding from declines in January and February, customs data show.
“Chinese investors rushed to buy as rubber looked oversold compared with other industrial commodities, and as delivery restriction by exporters may create a shortage,” said Gu Jiong, an analyst at Yutaka Shoji Co., a broker in Tokyo.
Rubber on the Tokyo Commodity Exchange, which entered a bull market in December, rose 0.9 percent to close at 218.6 yen a kilogram ($1,837 a ton), the highest since March 4. Free-on-board prices in Bangkok climbed 1.2 percent to 58.95 baht ($1.79) a kilogram, the highest level since March