Didn't know "Disc Drives," could be planted as a crop here? Thanks for the advice.:rofl:
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Didn't know "Disc Drives," could be planted as a crop here? Thanks for the advice.:rofl:
Yep, Rice for starch and whiskey, jungle for fruit, meat and herbs. A little cash for the motorbike. It's been like that for generations. The odd war for gold and a new mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamescollister
Yep...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Earl
Also Rosewood is a good one. Met a guy out of Hong Kong who bought 2000 pine tree acres in Belize and is re-planting Rosewood.Quote:
Originally Posted by ltnt
Tropical/sub-tropical hardwoods have never gone out of fashion for the obvious reasons.
If you have plenty of land and more than a little patience....sky's the limit.
Post above cerpitas.Quote:
Originally Posted by ltnt
Read before you reply. Jim
Is anyone growing Indian Sandalwood in Thailand? My investment in Australia is coming on to harvest now and the price is going gang busters.
Thailand’s hard disk drives (HDDs) industry has bounced back from last year’s flooding and remains a world leader in production. Dubbed the Silicon Valley of the Far East, Thailand accounts for about 40% of global HDD production, exporting more than US$12 billion worth annually. With nearly every aspect of modern life relying on digital data, demand for data storage devices such as hard drives will soar in coming years, heightening Thailand’s importance as a top production base.[/quote]
Sure but the manufacturers are foreign owned although they use local suppliers. Thailand has a huge manufacturing base admittedly hence the strong economy.
My initial point however was more about value add industries utilising Thailand's natural resources specifically rubber. Always buy made in Thailand Maxell tyres now..every little helps? Guess government could incentivise vehicle manufacturers to use local product?
Hence the huge environmental damage to Thailand's waterways, etc. Third world dumping for first world profit! Paper or plastic?Quote:
Originally Posted by crepitas
Hmm gotta eat my words I guess..wife tells me me that factories from BKK are being built in Huai Yot near Trang for tyres, latex bedding products and whatnot...
^There goes the neighborhood.
Well it's started up here then; never in 11 years here seen rubber timber on trucks. Yesterday saw an artic trailer unit full with a guestimate of 5 - 8 year old trees, all sawn up in 3m lengths. Today, another one, but with 20-30 year old big trees on it.
It's the Thai way, palms, in rubbers out, get a chopping.Quote:
Originally Posted by thaiguzzi
Good I say, chop enough down, then come the rubber shortage, price goes up, plant rubber again.
Can't blame them, can't live on hope, take the money from lumber, live another year.
Sold 1,000 kilos yesterday, 22 Baht wet cup, biggest plantation, cars paid for another month. Jim
Accept the price as it is and budget accordingly. Any upturn in the price will be a bonus. Good luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamescollister
27.17 baht per kg @ auction today, cup rubber, Udon province.
Maybe quoted sales prices for cup should include water or wood shaving content discounts.
We have wood and water content and our gate price is usually discounted around 8%. currently from 21bt/kl. SIL has no wood and is currently selling at about 19-20bt/kilo no discount near NK Thammarat.
Better start selling the trees at those prices...plant pineapples.
Job creation project, cut down 22507 rubber trees (yes they counted), then replanting forest.
20,000 rubber trees condemned
Drive to reclaim Krabi forest land under way
20 August 2014
Krabi: A 500-strong task force yesterday kicked off an operation to end forest encroachment in Mu Koh Phi Phi-Nopparathara National Park, felling more than 20,000 rubber trees on 329-rai of land.
Apart from taking legal action against forest encroachers and evicting them from the lands they occupy, the department plans to grow more trees and rehabilitate damaged forest land.
Under the NCPO-led encroachment crackdown, the DNP is expected to reclaim some 4,000 rai of forest land.
Just sold 5 thousand kilo at the gate 21.5/kilo 9% water/wood discount...frick...pays the diesel and electric,food bill and a few doz beers I guess. Imagine if it was still up in the 70s+.....new truck maybe?!
This is a great, informative thread, guys. I enjoy reading it but I have a question. What does "gate" mean in this context?
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our gate price is usually discounted around 8%
And "wet cup"?Quote:
Just sold 5 thousand kilo at the gate 21.5/kilo 9% water/wood discount
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Sold 1,000 kilos yesterday, 22 Baht wet cup
OK simply put, gate price, buyer comes to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
Wet cut, is usually 4 or 6 taps, rubber contains a lot of water.
Dry cup contains no or little water, buyers are paying for dry rubber content, that's how much solid rubber there is.
Price is lower for wet cup, as it weights more.
Wood content, is a dumb local trying to up the weight by putting the shaving in the rubber, sometimes stones. Had one who injected water in with a syringe.
Hope that helps. Jim
While there are some "dumb locals" who do attempt to pad the the weight of cup rubber with anything from old flip flops to rocks,most buyers are not that dumb however.
In our case our cutters are skillfull in that they cut very thinly..they drop the shaving into the cup because it is probably about 50% rubber from previous cut residue..our buyer knows this so no worries....
Rubber cutting technology:
Okay so many have tried to come up with automated rubber cutting..
Sort of wonder why the blade industry has not come up with a hand tool which has something like a safety razor technology, perhaps with a coiled snap off blade feeder like box cutters.
Alternatively: a chemical spray or fertiliser that perhaps extends the self healing time of the bark to allow longer drip times and perhaps result in less frequent cutting?
Just beer Chang musing…
Story here in Yahoo Business about rubber from dandelions
https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/video/f...143631829.html
There is a thing on the market called Ultra. Painted on, very little, a hormone type product. Meant to improve the life of the tree, repair dry bark trees, and increase output by up to 25%. Not tried it myself, but we have a sample bottle to try on half a dozen trees that are not producing, and a couple that have dry bark disease. Google it, plenty of info.Quote:
Originally Posted by crepitas
5k kilos? How many trees and how many taps? ie over what period of time? Serious production.
They have, got one here somewhere, disposable blades.Quote:
Originally Posted by crepitas
There is also needle tapping and upward tapping, lots of stimulants etc on the market and gas tapping.
TG interested in how you. Jim
I was told this morning that the government are now paying farmers 21,000 Baht per Rai to dig up their rubber trees if they haven't yet started to produce. That came from a genuine source and not through village rumour head office.Quote:
Originally Posted by crepitas
Had a cargo truck load of Lum Yai crash 4 days ago nearby. Owners have yet to arrive to clean up their dumped cargo. Suppose not worth it financially?
According to the political reports the Thai economy is on track.
On topic, several years ago the BIl purchase his rubber tree saplings for 50 baht each. Now he says they are 20 baht ea.
Jim,Quote:
Originally Posted by jamescollisterThey have, got one here somewhere, disposable blades.Quote:
Originally Posted by crepitas
There is also needle tapping and upward tapping, lots of stimulants etc on the market and gas tapping.
TG interested in how you. Jim
how i what?
Mike.
Different trees cost different prices, some cost, older type clones go down in price. Just like TVs, newer technology copy right on the clones.Quote:
Originally Posted by ltnt
Is planting rubber a thing of the passed, yes and no, Malaysia plants some rubber, that's primary reason is lumber. They grow fast and big, produce less latex, but more lumber, 15 years to harvest. So a smaller income for latex, but a good pay day after 15 years, look at what's branded named Malaysian oak.
thx Jim..Quote:
Originally Posted by thaiguzziThere is a thing on the market called Ultra. Painted on, very little, a hormone type product. Meant to improve the life of the tree, repair dry bark trees, and increase output by up to 25%. Not tried it myself, but we have a sample bottle to try on half a dozen trees that are not producing, and a couple that have dry bark disease. Google it, plenty of info.Quote:
Originally Posted by crepitas
5k kilos? How many trees and how many taps? ie over what period of time? Serious production.
re the 5kkg .....bit pissed I am afraid.... just typing verbatim what the wife was telling me...actually looking at receipt was about 580kg. ( about 3-4 days..so much frickin rain) Wife often gets mixed up between hundreds and thousands...except of course at the ATM!
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Would say there will be a shortage of sheet rubber before long, guess those who can wait it out will come out on top. Those that can't will fold, lucky for me, we renewed our factory's licence last year. Good for 5 years, so can wait for awhile. Jim
How about this product Gac? Spicygac.com
Supposed to be an anti-toxident, big for cures of cancer. Royal agriculture farms are doing research on it as well as producing a drink product.
Very interesting articles on this on-line. Belongs in the cucumber family. I have the wife on a search and destroy mission for it. I want to try to grow it and see how difficult it will be to grow first.
Hobby yes income no, no market or buyers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ltnt
Lots of things like that, cashews, much of the world throw the nut away and use the cashew apple, no market in SEA though.
^ Develop a market in the USA and Aus.? Health food freaks abound...
Just curious Jim why the "factory license" advantages?Quote:
Originally Posted by jamescollister
What does your factory produce in the way of value add rubber product..or do you currently just buy and on sell rubber as a middleman, do you need a license for that...doubt my old fellow gate buyer has one.
You often say you are selling cup at gate, is this the on selling?
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Originally Posted by crepitasJust curious Jim why the "factory license" advantages?Quote:
Originally Posted by jamescollister
What does your factory produce in the way of value add rubber product..or do you currently just buy and on sell rubber as a middleman, do you need a license for that...doubt my old fellow gate buyer has one.
You often say you are selling cup at gate, is this the on selling?
Actually currently thinking of clearing a rai or two of farm and building a cup buying station with office etc. Think perhaps only a generic business licence necessary..need a decent weigh station, forklift, front loader etc..Margins would be the same regardless of rubber price. Still business case and ROI term is somewhat iffy..though could give employment to extended family and few locals or Burmese methinks.
TG, mike how you go with the ultra stuff, we spray Amway stuff on, I think it makes little difference, but the tappers swear by it.
cepitas, contrary to what most, Thai and farang think, there are rules and laws, sames as the west and rubber is regulated.
You need a license to buy rubber, the people who buy off you, will be buying on behalf of a licensed buyer. Think you need 3 mil Baht in the bank to apply, as the taxman kicks in, it's a business. Licensed buyers need to move volume, big bucks.
Next up the chain is the processors, a few big rubber houses control processing, lead to believe the open processing licenses are no more, fear of ASEAN.
That's me the smallest legal processor that I know of. I was very, very fortunate that I didn't listen to the Thais.
Went to the SME department in Ubon, glory be, I'm in an economic development area.
Still wasn't easy to get a license though, 3 sets of planning permission, local, provincial and national. Land had to get national industrial zoning, EPA, health and safety, plus a factory's licence, before the processing license was issued.
It sits idle now, but pay all the taxes etc, can be up and running in 48 hours, if the upturn comes Jim
Jim,
not tried it yet, and won't till the rainy season proper has finished. Got a sample bottle enough to try out on a dozen or so trees. If it did everything it said it does on the tin, everybody would use it. My missus does not like any hormonal type additives on her trees, just good fertiliser twice a year. Reckons that the trees will become "addicted" to the stuff.
Lots of stuff on the market, great claims, YouTube vids, remember one guy selling vitex or something, 50 to 100% increase in out put.Quote:
Originally Posted by thaiguzzi
When I see the Malaysian, Thai or Indian rubber boards recommending something, will take notice, all the rest is snake oil.
Used to have locals coming round to see what magic fertilizer I used, would't believe that taking proper care of the trees from day one was why, out put was higher.
Should have sold them magic powered, at 2,000 Baht a bottle. Jim
Same here. None of the neighbours can figure out why they don't have the girth and especially canopy of our trees. Simple; no ploughing after 3 years, no chemical grass killing/spraying, good fertiliser and proper amounts twice a year, and NO TAPPING at 5 years of age on a tree with a trunk like my forearm.
Next door neighbour's 12 rai plantation has not changed in looks in 6 years. his 11 year old trees looked like they did when they were 5. Shit canopy, small diameter trunks. When people come round to look at it (been for sale for a while), they ask how old ours are, my missus has heard him say they are 12-13 years old, as much bigger and completely different canopy. They are one year younger.