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    Moving to the basement

    My new office should be ready by the end of the week. I'm currently working from the living room, which is not always very convenient, but by the end of the week everything should be ready for me to move to the basement

    One problem that hasn't be solved yet is the internet connection. For the time being the router is in the living room, in the 1st floor. I want to keep one computer in the living room + wifi access for phone and tablet. In the basement I will have my laptop connected through wifi and 4 to 5 other computers that are currently connected to the main router in the living room with cables (desktops with no wifi connection). How to do ?

    I have thought of the following option :
    1/ Keep the router in the living room and install an other router in the basement that is connected to the first one. Wifi or cable ?
    2/ Move the router to the basement
    3/ I have no 3rd option for the time being

    Anybody has experience of this kind of problem ? What are you suggestion ?
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    use cat6 cable
    have a gigabit router(switch)/wifi AP in the basement

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    Hope you are on high ground in a low flood risk area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chassamui View Post
    Hope you are on high ground in a low flood risk area.

    Thanks for your concern but we stayed dry during the last big flood so it should be ok.

    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    use cat6 cable
    have a gigabit router(switch)/wifi AP in the basement
    Cat 6 cable running from where to where ? From the existing wifi router provided by True ? Or should I bypass the router and connect directly to the entry point in the house (Red arrow, pict below)


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    Seriously, good luck with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perota
    Cat 6 cable running from where to where ? From the existing wifi router provided by True ? Or should I bypass the router and connect directly to the entry point in the house (Red arrow, pict below)
    that looks like co-ax - does the white cable plug in or screw in to your true provided modem ? ( what modem manuf /model ) - and manuf model of other routers/wifi AP's

    cat6 is network cable ( RJ45 ) plug - I would say you will need to plug it to a switch port on your TRUE modem and then the other end to a switch port on the router/wifi AP you will install downstairs.

    give us the manuf/model numbers of the gear you have already
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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Perota
    Cat 6 cable running from where to where ? From the existing wifi router provided by True ? Or should I bypass the router and connect directly to the entry point in the house (Red arrow, pict below)
    that looks like co-ax - does the white cable plug in or screw in to your true provided modem ? ( what modem manuf /model ) - and manuf model of other routers/wifi AP's

    cat6 is network cable ( RJ45 ) plug - I would say you will need to plug it to a switch port on your TRUE modem and then the other end to a switch port on the router/wifi AP you will install downstairs.

    give us the manuf/model numbers of the gear you have already
    The gateway provided by True is a 4 ports/wifi router CISCO EPC 2325, the "in" cable is a screw type like a coaxial cable.

    If I plug a router in an other router, do I significantly lose in performance ?

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    Here some details on how to cascade routers, doesn't seem to be so complicated

    How to Cascade Routers: 11 Steps - wikiHow

    Now does it make sense to add a second router ? Or should I keep it simple and move the existing router to the basement ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perota
    If I plug a router in an other router, do I significantly lose in performance ?
    no

    just connect a ethernet cable between the 2 - your cisco is only 10/100 anyway

    buy an Asus or something and put it in your basement

    the only thing you will really have to do is turn off the DHCP server on your new unit as the cisco will be running a DHCP server and you do not want it to conflict

    if you want a real speed increase - ask butters for the secret reg edits

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post

    if you want a real speed increase - ask butters for the secret reg edits
    Mouche à beurre ? You should be confused ...


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    I forgot - you will have to manually change your IP on your new switch/AP as it will likely be the same as the cisco - standard default is 192.168.1.1 - the IP will need to be of the same subnet as your cisco - so if your cisco is 192.168.1.1 , then make the new unit 192.168.1.2

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    ^ Thanks for the IP information.

    I've an additional question regarding the password. If I change the modem/router, I will need the password to access the True network, password that is different from the password I use to connect to my wifi network. Am I right ?

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    you won't be touching your cisco modem except to plug in a RJ45 network cable - so nothing will change there.

    your new router/switch/AP that you will install in your basement you will have to make minor config changes - manual IP and turn off DHCP server and choose a new radio channel and set a password for its wifi

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    ^ Ok, sounds great.

    Now two "minor" points.

    First, if I buy an already made RJ45 cable, I will have problem passing the cable through the walls. So I need to install the plugs only after I've passed the cable. Here a nice video that will help me solve this problem. Why are all these useful video always made by indians ?


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    Second point : choice of the router.

    I need something reasonably priced, easy to set up and reliable. I don't really need top performance but reliability is a top priority.

    And with as many ports as possible, with 4 a minimum.


    Either today or tomorrow I'll go to my favorite computer mall and let you know what I've found ....

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    the making of a disaster

    get professional help, seriously

    for 2000 THB some Thai guy could set you up properly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly
    for 2000 THB some Thai guy could set you up properly
    I doubt if he indulges in your kind of "setup"

    as long as he avoids advice about registry edits he should have no problem at all

    butters , not everyone is as hopeless as you when it comes to computer networks

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    her setup is quite easy to do, I have one exactly like her

    Gobblin tards like yourself have no clue on Network Setup except for cabling and wiring, basically a low level job,

    that a Thai could do for 300 THB

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick
    butters , not everyone is as hopeless as you when it comes to computer networks
    she sounds pretty hopeless,

    Registry edits ? pointless to teach you as you still confuse TCP frames with network equipments, a beginner mistake

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    butters , no-one is as hopeless as you when it comes to computer networks
    Fixed that for you Baldrick.


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    Our favorite "mouche du coche" is back

    Back to our business. I spent an hour in Pantip yesterday and I will probably install a TP-Link unmanaged 8 ports switch in the basement. I don't say it's the best piece of equipment but based on what is available there, it seems to be the most suitable stuff for my needs. I will probably go for the gigabit switch with PoE ports that can be useful for cameras in the future.

    The main point is now to check if the wifi signal from the True router is strong enough in the basement. If not, that will be an other trouble ...
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    Houston ! Just went to the basement, the signal is too weak.

    Back to Pantip ...

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    how much do you want to spend ?

    get a router/ gigabit switch / wifi AP -

    you will not use the WAN port for now , but just the 4 gigabit switch ports and the wifi

    look for a wireless N router like this
    300Mbps Wireless N Router
    TL-WR841N


    another classic line from butters - relay onwards your leaking arse
    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly
    as you still confuse TCP frames with network equipments
    Last edited by baldrick; 01-03-2014 at 10:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    how much do you want to spend ?

    get a router/ gigabit switch / wifi AP -

    you will not use the WAN port for now , but just the 4 gigabit switch ports and the wifi

    look for a wireless N router like this
    [B]300Mbps Wireless N Router
    TL-WR841N
    That's a good advise but I need more than 4 ports. I've already 3 computers + my laptop, that's why I'm looking for a 8 ports, maybe 16, switch.

    One of the shop I went to visit suggested a Tenda (??) router, same characteristics as the one you suggest but they say they can order a model with 6 or 8 ports if I need.

    I'm still in the exploratory phase. I like looking around in these computer shops, it keeps me busy, and you get a lot of idea on how you can improve your home, so it's all positive.

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    buy a router/gig switch /ap and then buy another 8 port switch - just link with a network cable

    if you are thinking security cams on your network I would buy an 8 port managed gigE PoE switch - look on ebay - then you can use PoE cameras with your switch on a UPS - the managed part will allow you to log in to the switch remotely and cycle the power via the PoE of a cam that has frozen ( a common problem )

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