Migrants to Australia required to learn English to a "functional level" - new rules

[David48atTD]

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Foreigners who fall in love with Australians could have to complete 500 hours of English classes before they are allowed to stay here permanently.


Key points:

• The Federal Government is introducing an English language requirement for partner visa applicants
• Acting Immigration Minister Alan Tudge says it will not be introduced until the middle of next year
• Australians with partners overseas are worried about the changes

Acting Immigration Minister Alan Tudge revealed new details of the English language requirements, announced in Tuesday's Federal Budget, for people applying for partner visas.


The Government is also temporarily boosting the number of partner visas available this financial year under the existing migration cap of 160,000 places.


Mr Tudge said there was almost one million people living in Australia with poor or no English and that language skills were necessary to finding work and staying safe.

Migrants to Australia required to learn English to a '''functional level''' under new rules - ABC News


A different take on the story ... https://expressdigest.com/citizenshi...learn-english/

[David48atTD]

Interesting to see that Australia has a much larger population of either #5 Philippine and #6 Viet Nam than #22 Thailand

[panama hat]

Migrants to Australia required to learn English to a "functional level" - new rules

Same here in NZ.

Top three countries of origin; China, India, Philippines

[katie23]

I have former schoolmates & colleagues who are now in Aus, NZ & Canada. They went through the skilled migrant route - most have graduate degrees & families (w/ small kids) when they migrated. For those w/ kids, primary reason for migration was free education for the kids (K-12), healthcare & general quality of life.

Many of the Vietnamese immigrants in Aus came as boat people in the 80s. As I'm half-Vietnamese, I also have relatives in Aus. My uncle / elder cousins went there as boat people. Their kids (around my age) are now engineers & doctors. (Product of tiger/ dragon parents. ) I have near cousins in Perth & distant cousins in Melbourne.

My aunt & her son visited us a few years ago. My aunt still has a very thick Viet accent when speaking English. My cousin, since he grew up in Aus, speaks with an Aussie twang. I asked him if he felt/ identified more Viet or Aussie. His reply was that he's a banana - yellow on the outside, white inside (first time for me to hear of that term/ connotation).

My uncle was a recipient of the wonderful Aus healthcare system - I think he's had 2 bypass surgeries already. My aunt was a nurse in Vietnam, but since her qualifications weren't recognized & her English wasn't good, she worked in a factory. She said the first few years were very hard for them. But now, all is well & they're enjoying retirement.

[lom]

nteresting to see that Australia has a much larger population of either #5 Philippine and #6 Viet Nam than #22 Thailand

Hmm, it looks to me that the basis is not the same in those graphs.

[terry57]

So they should do,

If the plebs want to come live in the lucky country then learn the lingo and get with the program.

If not then stay in ya own shit hole, friggin soap dodging Poms invaded the joint and killed all the nasty spear throwing Blacks.

We don't need any more murderers eh.

[beerlaodrinker]

I have former schoolmates & colleagues who are now in Aus, NZ & Canada. They went through the skilled migrant route - most have graduate degrees & families (w/ small kids) when they migrated. For those w/ kids, primary reason for migration was free education for the kids (K-12), healthcare & general quality of life.

Many of the Vietnamese immigrants in Aus came as boat people in the 80s. As I'm half-Vietnamese, I also have relatives in Aus. My uncle / elder cousins went there as boat people. Their kids (around my age) are now engineers & doctors. (Product of tiger/ dragon parents. ) I have near cousins in Perth & distant cousins in Melbourne.

My aunt & her son visited us a few years ago. My aunt still has a very thick Viet accent when speaking English. My cousin, since he grew up in Aus, speaks with an Aussie twang. I asked him if he felt/ identified more Viet or Aussie. His reply was that he's a banana - yellow on the outside, white inside (first time for me to hear of that term/ connotation).

My uncle was a recipient of the wonderful Aus healthcare system - I think he's had 2 bypass surgeries already. My aunt was a nurse in Vietnam, but since her qualifications weren't recognized & her English wasn't good, she worked in a factory. She said the first few years were very hard for them. But now, all is well & they're enjoying retirement.

The viets are in there 3rd or 4th generation since arriving after the War came to a draw? in the 70,s they have assimilated very well..hard working folk. The Filipino.diaspora as far as i can see came as spouses in the 70, 80, 90, then the booming economy in oz led to the creation of the.457 visa allowing skilled immigrants to enter on fixed term visa but the party kept on going then the flips (.no disrespect).stayed. and also imported a few family members. Nothing wrong with that i reckon. Likewise the filipino.is industrious and hard working. Fair play i reckon. Plenty of aussies that are unemployable through feeling white priveledge. Fuck those coonts .

[katie23]

@bld - we're cool. It's different if some random guy/ foreigner says "flip", versus if a husband refers to his wife as such.

Re: the Viets, the Vietnam war (or American war in their viewpoint) ended in 1975, so the boat ppl started migrating in the late 70s. Yes, my cousin's son is now a 3rd generation immigrant.

Re: learning English to an acceptable level, I think that's just fair. Other countries do it too (some European countries, as well as TH & Japan). I think that's a fair deal if one wants to become a PR/ citizen of a country - learn the language of the country you're integrating into.

[panama hat]

It's different if some random guy/ foreigner says "flip", versus if a husband refers to his wife as such.

Skidmark referred to his wife as 'flipper' - simply disrespectful and says a lot about him.

And yes, it is different who says it and when, in what context



English language entrance/acceptance are quite difficult both here and in Oz. Funny thing happened last year, an Irish (I believe) lady took the English test and failed . . . it's done virtually and the system didn't understand her accent and failed her. I believe they changed it since

[Barty]

Other countries do it too (some European countries, as well as TH & Japan).

You don't really need to speak Thai to get citizenship in Thialand.

[katie23]

^cool. I thought you needed some knowledge of Thai language. In the Thai citizenship thread (forgot who made it), the applicant spoke Thai with the officer, and had to fill out the forms in Thai as well (if I remember correctly).

In Japan, some years ago PI nurses & caregivers were allowed to work there, via agencies. They had to pass the language test first. Same with obtaining PR, I think.

I know of a married couple in Austria who had to learn German for their citizenship application.

My take on it - their country, their rules.

@panama hat - reminds me of a vid I watched on YT. I think it was an Irish or Scottish woman talking to Siri or Alexa - the app couldn't understand her accent and she was cursing the app!

[raycarey]

Migrants to Australia required to learn English to a "functional level" - new rules

i wonder if they'll be required to understand the difference between 'than' and 'then'.

[sabang]

I know of a married couple in Austria who had to learn German for their citizenship application.

Not such a big ask.


I reckon they should make them scull a pint of Coopers ale, and if they're still up for a shout they're in.
Kebab cooks, fruit pickers & Coopers stout drinkers should be offered special skilled visas, because we need more of them.

[OhOh]

Interesting to see that Australia

in the 1851 to 2019 graph, how the top countries move around the positions. Some countries appear from nowhere, as if they were specifically targeted. Others at the top for decades disappear and then rejoin after a lengthy absence.

[panama hat]

^ Obviously policy changes, like every other country that accepts migrants

[Looper]

Skidmark referred to his wife as 'flipper' - simply disrespectful and says a lot about him.

And yes, it is different who says it and when, in what context

Flip/Flipper is a funny one.

Not seriously derogatory I would say but very casual. I would not use the term when addressing a Filipina/o directly.

But when used in the 3rd person then not really a serious derogation.

But when referring to one's better half (not to her face obviously) then a line ball... I think...

Probably in the same league as 'chinky' in general terms.

[Looper]

Migrants to Australia required to learn English to a "functional level" - new rules

Getting engrish accepted as the global lingua franca is part of the strategic cultural push to ensure that western democracy prevails over chinky authoritarianism.

Australia printing all its pamphlets in 15 languages to be super nicey nice to all the smelly shithole migrants seems like an outdated politically presumptuous left wing anachronism.

Long over due in these more politically ambiguous times that a more practical and politically expeditious tactical position was adopted regarding impressing upon our washed up immigrants and the rest of the world that English is the world language and they need to start learning it.

[Ukan Kizmiaz]

I'd recommend they get functional level english and enable them as far as possible.
But making it mandatory, why? Who cares? Most do it anyway. Probably the only ones that wouldn't are the elderly or thickies - leave'em be.

[deeks]

You don't really need to speak Thai to get citizenship in Thialand.

"really" or say it like reeeaaaaly have to. LOL.

[deeks]

I have former schoolmates & colleagues who are now in Aus, NZ & Canada. They went through the skilled migrant route - most have graduate degrees & families (w/ small kids) when they migrated. For those w/ kids, primary reason for migration was free education for the kids (K-12), healthcare & general quality of life.

Many of the Vietnamese immigrants in Aus came as boat people in the 80s. As I'm half-Vietnamese, I also have relatives in Aus. My uncle / elder cousins went there as boat people. Their kids (around my age) are now engineers & doctors. (Product of tiger/ dragon parents. ) I have near cousins in Perth & distant cousins in Melbourne.

My aunt & her son visited us a few years ago. My aunt still has a very thick Viet accent when speaking English. My cousin, since he grew up in Aus, speaks with an Aussie twang. I asked him if he felt/ identified more Viet or Aussie. His reply was that he's a banana - yellow on the outside, white inside (first time for me to hear of that term/ connotation).

My uncle was a recipient of the wonderful Aus healthcare system - I think he's had 2 bypass surgeries already. My aunt was a nurse in Vietnam, but since her qualifications weren't recognized & her English wasn't good, she worked in a factory. She said the first few years were very hard for them. But now, all is well & they're enjoying retirement.

I can remember as a kid in the 70's the Wacol army barracks full of tent cities and temporary shelters on the left side of the highway heading north from ipswich to brisbane or the gold coast. The banana story hit a nerve with me, Had a Vietnamese work mate back in the 90's, He would say to everyone that we are brothers "deeks" was born daytime and he was born night time.

[sabang]

I arrived as an economic refugee from the UK in 1969, we were commonly called ten pound poms- this was before the boat people. We had to live in temporary shelters called Nissan huts, in a migrant hostel next to Adelaide airport. Our English was pretty much unintelligible to most aussies, being brummie. We had to assimilate new twangy ways of speaking, rather than nasal. New slang too. The bluddy mozzies tortured us, as they did all new poms. Mum gotta bad infection, from scratching.

Dads first job was delivering bread- and he broke his ankle in the second week. But within about 3 months we had moved out of our hostel and into rented accommodation, in a pretty cheap part of town. One year later, my folks had bought their first home. Sure, we had to scrape for a deposit- egg n beans on toast was quite a common dinner for us. Lunch, taken to school, was two vegemite or jam sandwiches. Peanut butter was tried for variety- but my sis and I didn't like it (peanut butter and jelly- had never heard of it, and would have considered it a horrifying thought anyway). On Friday, we got given ten cents to buy our own lunch from the school tuck shop- a real treat.

It was great- I remember those days very fondly. Just another migrant story i suppose.

[deeks]

That was a nice story sabang.
Infact, I reckon that if I ever lose all my money over here in LOS, I will get me and the missus a fake passport each and get to Australia for all the benifits.
NO JOKE.

[pickel]

I will get me and the missus a fake passport each and get to Australia for all the benifits.

Why would you need a fake passport? Aren't you an Aussie? On the run from something?

[Shutree]

Mr Tudge said there was almost one million people living in Australia with poor or no English

[deeks]

Why would you need a fake passport? Aren't you an Aussie? On the run from something?

We will get more benefits as a refuge than a citizen, Free house, food and free train tickets and some cash too boot, a whole lot more than an old white aussie pensioner, we will also get some free education and support groups will offer help too, all I have to do is pretend to not understand english and say we came from Burma for example.