Thread: Obama Hits Russia With New Sanctions for Election Hacking

Originally Posted by Cujo

What gets me is why Trump supporters aren't aghast at the fact that RUSSIA has interfered in a U.S. election. The result is neither here nor there, the issue is they interfered. Why are Trump supporters accepting this? Even trying to deny it is some cases.

How did they ?
They hacked nothing.
releasing some wikileakes papers showing Clinton up = interference ?

Look at Obama saying Britain would be at the back of the queue for a trade deal, a ten year wait , with USA if we voted Brexit.
now that's interfering

US Lawmaker: Utility's Malware Discovery Points to 'Rampant Russian Hacking'

A U.S. congressman from Vermont said Saturday that Russian malware code found in a computer belonging to a major state electric utility was further evidence of "rampant Russian hacking."

Democratic Representative Peter Welch called Thursday's malware discovery further proof that Russian computer hacking was "systematic, relentless and predatory."

"They will hack everywhere, even Vermont, in pursuit of opportunities to disrupt our country," Welch said.

His statement came as criticism of Russian cyberspying escalated and support for sanctions against Moscow imposed by President Barack Obama broadened.

Officials in the states of New York, Rhode Island, Massachusetts and Connecticut said they were more closely monitoring computer networks belonging to the state governments and to public utilities in response to the discovery in Vermont.

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo's office said he had directed all state agencies to re-examine their computer systems for breaches, although so far nothing had been found.

Earlier, Vermont Governor Peter Shumlin said Americans should "be both alarmed and outraged that one of the world's leading thugs, [Russian President] Vladimir Putin, has been attempting to hack our electric grid."

Officials said Friday that it wasn't clear when the Russian code entered the utility's computer, and that an investigation was aimed at determining the timing and the objectives of the intrusion.

Fraudulent emails

A report this week jointly authored by two U.S. security agencies said the hackers involved in the code entry used fraudulent emails to trick recipients into revealing their passwords.

The code discovery in sparsely populated Vermont came just days after U.S. cybersecurity officials shared details of the malware code with executives from a broad array of financial, utility and transportation groups nationwide.

Within a day, Vermont utility officials found the code embedded in their software and reported it to federal officials.

By late Saturday, Russia had not commented officially on the code discovery, which came after months of controversy surrounding U.S. intelligence reports that Moscow-backed hackers earlier this year stole a raft of internal emails from the Democratic National Committee.

Those documents soon began appearing on the website of the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks, prompting widespread suspicion that Moscow had collaborated with the group in an attempt to undermine Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.

Russia denied involvement, and Clinton's opponent, Donald Trump, who won the presidency in the November 8 general election, has sought to discredit the hacking evidence. Early on, he said he doubted such incursions had occurred. But this week he said he would meet with U.S. intelligence officials to review details of the intrusions, which have been detailed in extensive reporting by The New York Times.

Trump's decision to meet with intelligence officials came as Obama announced a series of economic sanctions against Russia and the expulsion of 35 Russian officials from the United States.

Moscow announced Friday that Putin would not retaliate for the sanctions or expulsions, in a move widely interpreted as evidence he hopes to see the penalties lifted after Trump takes office January 20.

US Lawmaker: Utility's Malware Discovery Points to 'Rampant Russian Hacking'

Originally Posted by Cujo

I think I can say without reservation that there is definitely clear evidence that the russians interfered, even if we aren't privy to it.

Originally Posted by Cujo

What gets me is why Trump supporters aren't aghast at the fact that RUSSIA has interfered in a U.S. election.

Have you, or anyone else actually tried to read this JAR report thing the Gubment' puked up for all to see? Shit is a fukin joke. There is nothing in it.

https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/defaul...-2016-1229.pdf

https://www.us-cert.gov/security-pub...Cyber-Activity

^Obama is obviously trying to undermine the validity of the election process.
As well keep the big bad boogieman, "Evil Russia" , alive and well.

Without some evil power to combat the military arms industries might actually have to make a shift and build something non-destructive like wind generators, solar panels, or even bicycles!

Move over, Facebook, Google, Apple, Microsoft etc. Bow before your new Masters- the Evil Russian hackers! Your mass media is impotent before the Power of RT and Pravda. Prostrate yourself, and beg for mercy.

Originally Posted by misskit

A U.S. congressman from Vermont said Saturday that Russian malware code found in a computer belonging to a major state electric utility was further evidence of "rampant Russian hacking."

It was on the personal laptop of an employee, not linked to the 'grid' from what I read.

Originally Posted by misskit

Earlier, Vermont Governor Peter Shumlin said Americans should "be both alarmed and outraged that one of the world's leading thugs, [Russian President] Vladimir Putin, has been attempting to hack our electric grid."

Drawing a hell of a conclusion there.

Originally Posted by misskit

A report this week jointly authored by two U.S. security agencies said the hackers involved in the code entry used fraudulent emails to trick recipients into revealing their passwords.

This is pretty much all I see. The only 'evidence' is that the idiots who were 'hacked' clicked on a goddamn phishing link.

A phishing link.

O-Bama should be sanctioning the idiot employees clicking questionable links in their email THEN ENTERING THIER PASSWORDS.

ON GOVERNMENT SPONSORED EQUIPMENT.

Seriously wtf

Should there be an inquiry into this alleged hacking it wont be a real inquiry but a witch hunt starting with the conclusion that 'Russia did it' whatever it might be, and going out to attempt to prove it. And if there is no proof then the facts can always be twisted to suit the conclusion which is that Russia is the big boogy man out to control the world.

Originally Posted by sabang

Europe needs to separate it's foreign policy from America.

Do it. Bring along the Aussies and Kiwis with you. Align with the benevolence of Putin and Russia's allies to oppose and bring down America the evil empire.

Big win for both Europe and America.

^ Well, no Norton. EU & US will remain allies- they have much to be allied about. But the EU abdicating it's responsibilities to it's citizens in terms of self defence and foreign policy is not a good thing.

US policy with regard to, say, Russia is not aligned with European interests- Russia being the dominant energy supplier to Europe, and Europe being the largest foreign investor in Russia. EU needs to find it's own voice on behalf of it's people- not be subsumed to Nato.

Similar tensions may arise with respect to Aus, US & China. China being Australia's dominant export market, the US it's security 'guarantor' (parentheses because it is unofficial).

Originally Posted by sabang

Prostrate yourself, and beg for mercy.

Or just don't click phishing links & enter your password.

Kinda thought this was kindergarten level shit but apparently not.

Originally Posted by Slick

There is nothing in it.

isn't there an fbi lacky whose job it is to make proclamations about investigating computer issues ?

Originally Posted by sabang

EU & US will remain allies- they have much to be allied about. But the EU abdicating it's responsibilities to it's citizens in terms of self defence and foreign policy is not a good thing.

So you/they want have your cake & eat it too then. Double dippin spineless mofos.

Originally Posted by baldrick

isn't there an fbi lacky whose job it is to make proclamations about investigating computer issues ?

Cant tell if sarcastic or not, but can you dumb it down for me?

‘Nobody Knows Exactly What’s Going On’ Because of ‘Computers’ - Donald Trump

Perfect explanation for dumbass Trumpites. Look no further.

Originally Posted by Humbert

‘Nobody Knows Exactly What’s Going On’ Because of ‘Computers’ - Donald Trump

Perfect explanation for dumbass Trumpites. Look no further.

Challenge Accepted.

Please provide your trusted sources for examination.

Two kinds of Trumpites. The ones that think computers can't be trusted because they too dumb to understand them and the self-styled computer geeks who think they know more than the US combined cyber intelligence experts.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Two kinds of Trumpites. The ones that think computers can't be trusted because they too dumb to understand them and the self-styled computer geeks who think they know more than the US combined cyber intelligence experts.

Because phishing is so complex. It requires a group of dumbasses to click on something and enter their passwords.

Said group of dumbasses must cover said dumbass by sanctioning Russia & claiming Trump knew about it.

Originally Posted by Slick

Because phishing is so complex. It requires a group of dumbasses to click on something and enter their passwords.
Said group of dumbasses must cover said dumbass by sanctioning Russia & claiming Trump knew about it.

According to the report it was a very sophisticated scheme. The phishing email was sent to thousands so it seems plausible that someone could have clicked on it. Of course in your superior wisdom about this stuff you would know best.

Originally Posted by Humbert

According to the report it was a very sophisticated scheme. The phishing email was sent to thousands so it seems plausible that someone could have clicked on it. Of course in your superior wisdom about this stuff you would know best.

Nope still not there. Click all you want, click the fuck out of it. Its a nothing burger until you are dumb enough to put your email password into the pop-up. Sophisticated looking, or not. This shit is government sponsored stuff. These jokers had plenty of idiot training about this as its completely kindergarten level.

Furthermore, not one shred of evidence implies Putin. More like implies 'hackers' from fuck knows where.

Originally Posted by Slick

Nope still not there. Click all you want, click the fuck out of it. Its a nothing burger until you are dumb enough to put your email password into the pop-up. Sophisticated looking, or not. This shit is government sponsored stuff. These jokers had plenty of idiot training about this as its completely kindergarten level.

I don't accept the notion that you are some kind of authority on what happened.

Originally Posted by Humbert

I don't accept the notion that you are some kind of authority on what happened.

Fair enough.

Who should we believe?

Originally Posted by Slick

Who should be believe?

Like I said, I'll wait for the final report and hearings and then read the analysis and make a decision. Until then I have an open mind. Too many people have made up their minds already based upon political bias.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Until then I have an open mind. Too many people have made up their minds already based upon political bias.

This is true.

Objectivity is key.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Doesn't say much for a president to be sceptical of something before being completely informed.

Really! What does it say about the sitting president who without the facts, obviously jumped the gun, imposses sanctions and deportations on executive order?
Clearly the actions of tired desperate political hack trying to undermine confidence in the election results, a lame duck behavior at it's finest and final hour.

Kinda fucking pathetic!