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    Little more on the hiatus that never was, from a site run by a climate scientist.

    NOAA temperature record updates and the ‘hiatus’

    In a new paper in Science Express, Karl et al. describe the impacts of two significant updates to the NOAA NCEI (née NCDC) global temperature series. The two updates are: 1) the adoption of ERSST v4 for the ocean temperatures (incorporating a number of corrections for biases for different methods), and 2) the use of the larger International Surface Temperature Initiative (ISTI) weather station database, instead of GHCN. This kind of update happens all the time as datasets expand through data-recovery efforts and increasing digitization, and as biases in the raw measurements are better understood. However, this update is going to be bigger news than normal because of the claim that the ‘hiatus’ is no more. To understand why this is perhaps less dramatic than it might seem, it’s worth stepping back to see a little context…

    Global temperature anomaly estimates are a product, not a measurement

    The first thing to remember is that an estimate of how much warmer one year is than another in the global mean is just that, an estimate. We do not have direct measurements of the global mean anomaly, rather we have a large database of raw measurements at individual locations over a long period of time, but with an uneven spatial distribution, many missing data points, and a large number of non-climatic biases varying in time and space. To convert that into a useful time-varying global mean needs a statistical model, good understanding of the data problems and enough redundancy to characterise the uncertainties. Fortunately, there have been multiple approaches to this in recent years (GISTEMP, HadCRUT4, Cowtan & Way, Berkeley Earth, and NOAA NCEI), all of which basically give the same picture.


    Once this is understood, it’s easy to see why there will be updates to the historical estimates over time: the raw measurement dataset used can be expanded, biases can be better understood and characterised, and the basic statistical methods for stitching it all together can be improved. Generally speaking these changes are minor and don’t effect the big picture.

    Ocean temperature corrections are necessary and reduce the global warming trend

    The saga of ocean surface temperature measurements is complicated, but you can get a good sense of the issues by reviewing some of the discussion that followed the Thompson et al. (2008) paper. For instance, “Of buckets and blogs” and “Revisiting historical ocean surface temperatures”. The basic problem is that method for measuring sea surface temperature has changed over time and across different ships, and this needs to be corrected for.


    The second panel is useful, demonstrating that the net impact of all corrections to the raw measurements is to reduce the overall trend.

    The ‘hiatus’ is so fragile that even those small changes make it disappear

    The ‘selling point’ of the paper is that with the updates to data and corrections, the trend over the recent decade or so is now significantly positive. This is true, but in many ways irrelevant. This is because there are two very distinct questions that are jumbled together in many discussions of the ‘hiatus': the first is whether there is any evidence of a change in the long-term underlying trend, and the second is how to attribute short-term variations. That these are different is illustrated by the figure I made earlier this year:


    much more in the link above

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    Obama Regime Scientists Fiddle With Climate Data To Erase The 15 Yr Global Warming Hiatus

    Tisdale and Watts wrote on the science (?) blog Watts Up With That.


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    Obama Regime Scientists Fiddle With Climate Data To Erase The 15 Yr Global Warming Hiatus

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    Sea ice extent in Antarctica last month set a new record high for the month of May, according to data from the US National Snow and Ice Data Center

    Meanwhile Arctic sea ice extent in May was the third lowest on record but essentially the same as it was a decade ago – marginally above the levels recorded in 2004 and 2006.

    NSIDC data shows average sea ice extent around Antarctica reached 12.10 million sq. km. in May – some 12 per cent above the long term average for the period from 1981 to 2010 of 10.79 million sq.km. May sea ice extent in Antarctica is growing at a rate of 2.9 per cent per decade, according to NSIDC data.

    Meanwhile Arctic sea ice extent in May was 12.65 million sq. km, some 5 per cent below the long-term average for the period from 1981 to 2010 of 13.38 million sq. km. but broadly in line with the sea ice extent reported a decade ago and just 2 per cent below the average over the period from 2005 to 2015.

    Over the last ten years, the extent of Arctic sea ice in May has remained within the range 12.61 million to 13.4 million sq. km. notwithstanding the fact that the linear rate of decline in sea ice extent for May through 2015 over the satellite record is 2.3 per cent per decade and that May sea ice extent has now declined for four years in a row.

    Here is the data from NSIDC for Arctic sea ice extent (measured in millions of square kilometres) for each May over the last decade:

    Year Arctic sea ice extent (million km2)

    2005 12.99
    2006 12.61
    2007 12.88
    2008 13.18
    2009 13.40
    2010 13.11
    2011 12.81
    2012 13.11
    2013 13.08
    2014 12.77
    2015 12.65

    Average Arctic sea ice extent for May over the period 2005-2015: 12.96 million sq. km.
    Antarctic Sea Ice Sets New High In May

    NSIDC historic Antarctic sea ice extent data for May here. ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/N.../S_05_area.txt
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    boomers you really do have the memory of a gold fish aren't you. you've posted this shit before and its been explained to you..... but then reality means nothing to you

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    Quote Originally Posted by hazz View Post
    boomers you really do have the memory of a gold fish aren't you. you've posted this shit before and its been explained to you..... but then reality means nothing to you
    It means K. hazz that some of us are still skepticle re this Globul Warming junk science and have to reiterate the point until some of y'all realize you've been duped.

    Let's examine the NOAA scandal again, shall we?

    NOAA Gets Rid of 15 Year Hiatus In Global Warming Simply By Re-Weighting and "Adjusting" the Numbers

    There's a 15 year (actually 17 year) hiatus in warming when your theory and models predicted constant warming of this period.

    #OldScience would say: Tweak your theory and models.

    But #NewScience says: Tweak the data.

    National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration scientists have found a solution to the 15-year “pause” in global warming: They “adjusted” the hiatus in warming out of the temperature record.

    New climate data by NOAA scientists doubles the warming trend since the late 1990s by adjusting pre-hiatus temperatures downward and inflating temperatures in more recent years.

    “Newly corrected and updated global surface temperature data from NOAA's [National Centers for Environmental Information] do not support the notion of a global warming 'hiatus,'" wrote NOAA scientists in their study presenting newly adjusted climate data.

    To increase the rate in warming, NOAA scientists put more weight on certain ocean buoy arrays, adjusted ship-based temperature readings upward, and slightly raised land-based temperatures as well....

    NOAA says for the years 1998 to 2012, the "new analysis exhibits more than twice as much warming as the old analysis at the global scale," at 0.086 degrees Celsius per decade compared to 0.039 degrees per decade.

    Global surface temperature data shows a lack of statistically significant warming over the last 15 years -- a development that has baffled climate scientists. Dozens of explanations have been offered to explain the hiatus in warming, but those theories may be rendered moot by NOOA’s new study.

    Climate expert Bob Tisdale and meteorologist Anthony Watts noted that to "manufacture warming during the hiatus, NOAA adjusted the pre-hiatus data downward."

    "It’s the same story all over again; the adjustments go towards cooling the past and thus increasing the slope of temperature rise," Tisdale and Watts added. “Their intent and methods are so obvious they’re laughable."

    NOAA Tampers With Data To Erase The Global Warming 'Hiatus' | The Daily Caller

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    ^ Same shit different day. Nothing to see here. Its always the same debunked shills that are quoted in these same recycled articles by the same debunked blogs. *Yawn*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    It means K. hazz that some of us are still skepticle re this Globul Warming junk science and have to reiterate the point until some of y'all realize you've been duped.
    skeptical like the members of the flat earth society or those who have faith that tobacco, asbestos, ddt and hiv are harmless.

    There is a line between skeptism and being a fool, the difference wether or not you have any interest in the truth. The reaility is you are rather like that poor fool, paul karason.... who belived that drinking silve was good got you and its was a big pharma/government conspirisy that prevented you from having access to it. And continued to belive this even after it did this to his skin:



    Like you a first grade fool, living in his own little delusion. ultimatly he only fucked up his own skin and life. The problem is that with you denialism, you, your fellow fools and the kock brothers et. al. are tryign to do the the planet what karason did to his skin.

    the real shame is that because ive used more than six words to explain this, it will have flown right over your head.

    booners your not a skeptic, your a fool
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    Heh... Fake scientist and irritating CNN anchor use manufactured stat to mock ‘climate change deniers’

    Bill Nye was interviewed by CNN’s Carol Costello on Friday, and the man who accepted a ride on Air Force One to go to Florida to help Obama warn about the dangers of carbon emissions was grilled… about how awfully stupid people who disagree with him are.

    On the May 29 edition of CNN Newsroom, Carol Costello brought on Bill Nye “the science guy” (who is not a scientist) to lecture conservatives about the supposed importance of climate change. Prior to the interview Costello introduced Nye as someone who is “ready to fight the haters,” and resorted to the usual liberal talking point: “Before we begin, I just want to say 97 percent of scientists say climate change is real and much of it is driven by man, so let’s go on.”

    CNN's Costello Cues Up Bill Nye: 'Ready to Fight the Haters'

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    The 97% consensus on global warming

    The 97% consensus on global warming


    What the science says...

    That humans are causing global warming is the position of the Academies of Science from 80 countries plus many scientific organizations that study climate science. More specifically, around 95% of active climate researchers actively publishing climate papers endorse the consensus position.

    Climate Myth...

    There is no consensus

    The Petition Project features over 31,000 scientists signing the petition stating "There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide will, in the forseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere ...". (Petition Project)

    Skeptical Science's 2013 'The Consensus Project'

    Scientists need to back up their opinions with research and data that survive the peer-review process. A Skeptical Science peer-reviewed survey of all (over 12,000) peer-reviewed abstracts on the subject 'global climate change' and 'global warming' published between 1991 and 2011 (Cook et al. 2013) found that over 97% of the papers taking a position on the subject agreed with the consensus position that humans are causing global warming. In a second phase of the project, the scientist authors were emailed and rated over 2,000 of their own papers. Once again, over 97% of the papers taking a position on the cause of global warming agreed that humans are causing it.



    Lead author John Cook created a short video abstract summarizing the study:
    Oreskes 2004 and Peiser

    A survey of all peer-reviewed abstracts on the subject 'global climate change' published between 1993 and 2003 shows that not a single paper rejected the consensus position that global warming is man caused (Oreskes 2004). 75% of the papers agreed with the consensus position while 25% made no comment either way (focused on methods or paleoclimate analysis).
    Benny Peiser, a climate contrarian, repeated Oreskes' survey and claimed to have found 34 peer reviewed studies rejecting the consensus. However, an inspection of each of the 34 studies reveals most of them don't reject the consensus at all. The remaining articles in Peiser's list are editorials or letters, not peer-reviewed studies. Peiser has since retracted his criticism of Oreskes survey:
    "Only [a] few abstracts explicitly reject or doubt the AGW (anthropogenic global warming) consensus which is why I have publicly withdrawn this point of my critique. [snip] I do not think anyone is questioning that we are in a period of global warming. Neither do I doubt that the overwhelming majority of climatologists is agreed that the current warming period is mostly due to human impact."
    Doran 2009

    Subsequent research has confirmed this result. A survey of 3146 earth scientists asked the question "Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?" (Doran 2009). More than 90% of participants had Ph.D.s, and 7% had master’s degrees. Overall, 82% of the scientists answered yes. However, what are most interesting are responses compared to the level of expertise in climate science. Of scientists who were non-climatologists and didn't publish research, 77% answered yes. In contrast, 97.5% of climatologists who actively publish research on climate change responded yes. As the level of active research and specialization in climate science increases, so does agreement that humans are significantly changing global temperatures.



    Figure 1: Response to the survey question "Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?" (Doran 2009) General public data come from a 2008 Gallup poll.
    Most striking is the divide between expert climate scientists (97.4%) and the general public (58%). The paper concludes:
    "It seems that the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term climate processes. The challenge, rather, appears to be how to effectively communicate this fact to policy makers and to a public that continues to mistakenly perceive debate among scientists."
    Anderegg 2010

    This overwhelming consensus among climate experts is confirmed by an independent study that surveys all climate scientists who have publicly signed declarations supporting or rejecting the consensus. They find between 97% to 98% of climate experts support the consensus (Anderegg 2010). Moreover, they examine the number of publications by each scientist as a measure of expertise in climate science. They find the average number of publications by unconvinced scientists (eg - skeptics) is around half the number by scientists convinced by the evidence. Not only is there a vast difference in the number of convinced versus unconvinced scientists, there is also a considerable gap in expertise between the two groups.



    Figure 2: Distribution of the number of researchers convinced by the evidence of anthropogenic climate change and unconvinced by the evidence with a given number of total climate publications (Anderegg 2010).
    Vision Prize

    The Vision Prize is an online poll of scientists about climate risk. It is an impartial and independent research platform for incentivized polling of experts on important scientific issues that are relevant to policymakers. In addition to assessing the views of scientists, Vision Prize asked its expert participants to predict the views of their scientific colleagues. The participant affiliations and fields are illustrated in Figure 3.



    Figure 3: Vision Prize participant affiliations and fields
    As this figure shows, the majority (~85%) of participants are academics, and approximately half of all participants are Earth Scientists. Thus the average climate science expertise of the participants is quite good.
    Approximately 90% of participants responded that human activity has had a primary influence over global temperatures over the past 250 years, with the other 10% answering that it has been a secondary cause, and none answering either that humans have had no influence or that temperatures have not increased. Note also that the participants expected less than 80% to peg humans as the primary cause, and a few percent to say humans have no influence - the consensus was significantly better than the participants anticipated (Figure 4).



    Figure 4: Vision Prize answers and expected distribution to the question"What influence has human activity had on global average ocean temperatures in the last 250 years?"


    Scientific organizations endorsing the consensus

    The following scientific organizations endorse the consensus position that "most of the global warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities":The Academies of Science from 80 different countries all endorse the consensus.



    13 countries have signed a joint statement endorsing the consensus position:
    • Academia Brasiliera de Ciencias (Brazil)
    • Royal Society of Canada
    • Chinese Academy of Sciences
    • Academie des Sciences (France)
    • Deutsche Akademie der Naturforscher Leopoldina (Germany)
    • Indian National Science Academy
    • Accademia dei Lincei (Italy)
    • Science Council of Japan
    • Academia Mexicana de Ciencias (Mexico)
    • Russian Academy of Sciences
    • Academy of Science of South Africa
    • Royal Society (United Kingdom)
    • National Academy of Sciences (USA) (12 Mar 2009 news release)
    A letter from 18 scientific organizations to US Congress states:
    "Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver. These conclusions are based on multiple independent lines of evidence, and contrary assertions are inconsistent with an objective assessment of the vast body of peer-reviewed science."
    The consensus is also endorsed by a Joint statement by the Network of African Science Academies (NASAC), including the following bodies:
    • African Academy of Sciences
    • Cameroon Academy of Sciences
    • Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
    • Kenya National Academy of Sciences
    • Madagascar's National Academy of Arts, Letters and Sciences
    • Nigerian Academy of Sciences
    • l'Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
    • Uganda National Academy of Sciences
    • Academy of Science of South Africa
    • Tanzania Academy of Sciences
    • Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences
    • Zambia Academy of Sciences
    • Sudan Academy of Sciences
    Other Academies of Sciences that endorse the consensus:
    https://www.skepticalscience.com/glo...termediate.htm

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    9 out of 10 top climate change deniers linked with Exxon Mobile

    In a world where accusations like this fly by like pigeons in the park, it was about time someone but some work into research before making a claim such as this one. This is not some unsubstantiated assertion, or some crazy scientist’s statement – this is backed up by numbers. Let’s look at the matter in depth.

    Exxon Mobil is not only the world’s largest private oil company, but also one of the largest publicly traded companies in the world, having been ranked either #1 or #2 for the past 5 years. They are also (of course) denying climate change, and there has been a rumour going on that they have been paying or offering some kind of reward to researchers who also deny climate change. But until now this was only an unconfirmed rumour.
    A recent analysis conducted by Carbon Brief investigated no less than 900 published papers, all of which cast doubts on climate change, or even speak against it. After concluding this investigation, they found that 9 out of 10 of the most prolific ones had some sort of connection with Exxon Mobil. You can find a link to these papers at the Global Warming Policy Foundation.
    The results showed that out of the 938 papers cited, 186 of them were written by only ten men, and foremost among them was Dr Sherwood B Idso, who personally authored 67 of them. Idso is the president of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, an ExxonMobil funded think tank. The second most prolific was Dr Patrick J Michaels, a senior fellow at the Cato Institute, who receives roughly 40% of his funding from the oil industry.
    This goes in parallel with the ‘work’ of the Koch industries; even though you probably haven’t heard of them, Koch industries is the second largest privately held company in the US, and in the past 50 years, they have invested more than 50.000.000 dollars in spreading doubts about climate change, according to Greenpeace.


    The thing is, you don’t have to convince people that climate change isn’t happening – all you have to do is cast some doubt on that, and people will no longer be certain, and this is a strategy that has been successfully tested by tobacco companies, almost at the same level, and coffee companies, at a much lower level. Basically, you keep the public confused about the idea, and a confused public is much, much better than a public who is against you.
    Other prolific authors of climate-change denying include Willie Soon, John R. Christy and Sallie L Baliunas who are all associated with the George C. Marshall Institute, whose website asserts that “…efforts to reach agreement on inferences about human influence on the climate system that can be drawn from science and policy prescriptions for addressing the climate change risk have been controversial.”.
    Of course, in order to be totally (and more) correct, you have to give them the benefit of a doubt; but the numbers are extremely suggestive in this case. In addition to this extremely active group of climate change deniers, three extremely respected and esteemed researchers have individually complained that their research has been misinterpreted and/or miscited by climate change skeptics in order to bolster their own beliefs. CarbonBrief also contacted a few of them, and here’s what they got from Professor Peter deMenocal, of the Earth Institute, Columbia University, told the Carbon Brief when asked about the inclusion of his paper on the list:
    “I’ve responded to similar queries over the years. No, this is not an accurate representation of my work and I’ve said so many times to them and in print.”I’ve asked Dennis Avery of the Heartland Institute to take my name off [another similar] list four times and I’ve never had a response. There are 15 other Columbia colleagues on there as well … and all want their names removed.”

    The thing is, a significant amount of these studies don’t focus on human driven climate change, which is why it’s extremely easy to misquote their results. If you take for example an article written by Professor Richard Zeebe, University of Hawaii, you’d find an interesting conclusion: feedbacks such as increases in other greenhouse gases were responsible for a substantial part of global warming, alongside the direct impact of carbon dioxide. Here’s what Professor Zeebe had to say:
    “Using our paper to support skepticism of anthropogenic global warming is misleading.”
    This kind of papers contributes to the general scientific treasure of the world; it has to be said, Earth has had significant climate changes throughout it’s 4.5 billion year history, and we are still broadening our understanding about how these long term climate changes occur. It’s a delicate problem to separate these natural tendencies from the anthropic driven changes, mostly carbon emissions. But climate skeptics didn’t only misinterpret this.
    A paper by Meehl et al, also placed on the list, discussed the effects of the 11 year solar cycle on the tropical Pacific. The author of the paper, Gerald Meehl, of the US National Centre for Atmospheric Research (NCAR), said:
    “It’s odd that our 2009 paper is on a site about global warming. Our paper addressed specifically the climate system response to the 11-year solar cycle. Thus it is about decadal timescale climate variability. “It said nothing about long-term warming trends, and in fact, in the last sentence of the paper, we state, ‘This response also cannot be used to explain recent global warming because the 11-year solar cycle has not shown a measurable trend over the past 30 years.'”.
    Energy and Environment

    So where does this lead us ? Let’s be fair.
    There are a few researchers for which I have every bit of respect who are climate change skeptics; they wrote papers, they make some claims and back them up with scientific evidence, and overall, they greatly contribute to scientific progress. Richard Lindzen is one of them. Richard Muller is another great example – he set out to disprove human driven global warming, and surprisingly found data that backs it up. A great example of a researcher !
    But what about the others, the one who get their funding from oil giants and then write dubious papers, misquoting other people’s work and misinforming the general public ? I may be out of line, but in my book, these are not researchers, they are puppets.
    Let’s take a look at the citations given by the Energy and Environment journal, compared to the Journal of Climate, and you tell me which one is better (charts made by SCImago):




    Citation statistics for Energy and Environment



    What does this tell us? CarbonBrief again puts it best:
    It’s clear that E&E’s papers are cited relatively infrequently – suggesting the inclusion of a substantial number of them on the ‘900+’ list does not demonstrate widespread disagreement with the scientific consensus on climate change, but rather that these views are confined to a small climate skeptic lobby.


    9 out of 10 top climate change deniers linked with Exxon Mobil
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    It means K. hazz that some of us are still skepticle re this Globul Warming junk science and have to reiterate the point until some of y'all realize you've been duped.
    But the only reason you believe all this shit is because you're told to.

    You are incapable of the independent thought necessary to actually separate the science from the denier crap all the 'tards post.

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    Even more about the hiatus that never was,….

    What you need to know about the NOAA global warming faux pause paper

    The study shrunk the surface warming slowdown and drew out the anti-science conspiracy theorists

    Last week, a paper out of NOAA concluded that contrary to the popular myth, there’s been no pause in global warming. The study made headlines across the world, including widely-read Guardian stories by John Abraham and Karl Mathiesen. In fact, there may have been information overload associated with the paper, but the key points are relatively straightforward and important.

    1. Rapid Global Warming Continues

    Arguments about short-term temperature changes only deal with the Earth’s surface temperatures, which account for just 1–2% of the overall warming of the planet. More than 90% of that heat goes into the oceans, and as my colleagues and I noted in a paper published 3 years ago, if anything that warming is accelerating, building up heat at a rate faster than 4 atomic bomb detonations per second.

    If you carefully cherry pick start and end dates, you can find a period around 1998–2012 during which the warming of surface temperatures slowed a bit due to temporary natural cooling factors (like more La Niñas), just like it sped up a bit during the 1990s due to temporary natural warming factors (like more El Niños). But these are just wiggles on top of the long-term human-caused global warming trend. As Michael Mann put it,

    there never was any “pause” or “hiatus” in global warming. There is evidence, however, for a modest, temporary slowdown in surface warming through the early part of this decade.

    2. The Surface Warming Slowdown is Probably Over

    This is a tough pill to swallow for those who have misused the short-term slowdown in global surface warming to argue against climate policies, but it’s likely over. 2014 was the hottest year on record, and 2015 looks likely to break the record again.

    These slowdown-based anti-policy arguments have been made by everyone from Republican presidential candidates to political think tanks to science-denying blogs. It’s a simple argument – if we pretend the surface warming slowdown can continue indefinitely, then global warming is less of a concern and we don’t need policies to stop it.

    Since we’ve always known the slowdown was temporary, these were never credible arguments, but they nevertheless helped to delay efforts to curb global warming. After the publication of this NOAA paper, and possibly two consecutive record hot years, it seems unlikely that these arguments will be considered credible any longer.

    3. The Most Common Denial Response: Conspiracy Theories

    Social science research has shown that conspiracy theorists are more likely to reject scientists’ conclusions about climate change. It’s a logical connection – given that 97% of climate scientists and their research agree on human-caused global warming, the easiest way to deny that reality is to accuse all those scientists of being part of a vast conspiracy. Otherwise it’s difficult to justify rejecting the conclusions of 97% of experts.

    Thus it’s not surprising that those in denial are accusing the NOAA scientists of conspiring to fudge the data to make the slowdown disappear. For example, Anthony Watts, who runs a climate science denial blog, wrote an email to one of the authors of the NOAA paper, telling him,

    In my last telephone conversation with you, I stated (paraphrasing) that “I believe you folks aren’t doing anything fraudulent, but you are doing what you feel is correct science in what you believe is a correct way”.

    After seeing the desperate tricks pulled in Karl 2015 to erase “the pause” via data manipulation, I no longer hold that opinion. You needed it to go away, so you prostituted yourselves, perhaps at the direction of higher ups.

    In fact, accusing the NOAA scientists of fraudulently ‘manipulating data’ for the benefit of the Obama administration was a common theme in the climate science-denying blogosphere. But there’s a glaring flaw in this particular conspiracy theory.

    4. The Adjustments Reduce Global Warming Estimates!

    This is clear from the bottom frame in this figure in the NOAA paper.


    According to the raw, unadjusted data, global surface temperatures warmed about 0.9°C from 1880 to 2014. According to the new NOAA analysis, they warmed about 0.8°C during that time. That’s a bit more than in the previous version of NOAA’s data set (0.75°C), but the net effect of these adjustments is to reduce the overall estimated warming as compared to the raw data!

    5. The Adjustments are Important

    Contrary to the conspiracy theories, climate scientists process the raw temperature data for an important reason – to remove biases that don’t represent real temperature changes. The big one in the new NOAA analysis deals with changes in the ways ocean temperatures have been measured. They’ve been measured from water samples in insulated buckets, uninsulated buckets, from valves in ships’ hulls, and from instruments on buoys. As Zeke Hausfather explains,

    A number of studies have found that buoys tend to measure temperatures that are about 0.12°C colder than is found by ships at the same time and same location. As the number of automated buoy instruments has dramatically expanded in the past two decades, failing to account for the fact that buoys read colder temperatures ended up adding a negative bias in the resulting ocean record. This change is by far the largest single factor responsible for changing global temperatures in the past 17 years compared to temperatures found in the prior NOAA record.

    While this adjustment happens to have reduced estimates of the 1998–2012 surface warming slowdown, it’s important to account for changes in the way ocean temperatures have been measured. It’s not a conspiracy, it’s science.

    6. The Slowdown and Anti-Policy Arguments are Fragile

    The latest changes to the NOAA data set were quite small (compare the black and red lines in the top frame of the figure above). As NASA GISS director Gavin Schmidt noted at RealClimate, if such minor changes are all it takes to make the so-called ‘hiatus’ go away, then it was really quite fragile to begin with. As were any hiatus-based anti-policy arguments.

    The bottom line is that the Earth continues to warm dangerously rapidly, and short-term wiggles in global surface temperatures are no reason for complacency. When those who believe otherwise are forced to resort to baseless accusations of fraud and conspiracy theories, it’s time to stop listening to them.

    When those who believe otherwise are forced to resort to baseless accusations of fraud and conspiracy theories, it’s time to stop listening to them.
    most rational people don't
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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    It means K. hazz that some of us are still skepticle re this Globul Warming junk science and have to reiterate the point until some of y'all realize you've been duped.
    But the only reason you believe all this shit is because you're told to.

    You are incapable of the independent thought necessary to actually separate the science from the denier crap all the 'tards post.
    The proof being his silence when reality caught up with him & GOP after the last US election. poor sole disappeared without trace until GOP started posting their bollocks again. Absolutely nothing to say, unless he is regurgitating right wing bollocks.

    which reminds me, boomers. remember how utterly wrong you were about the result of the US election and all that hurt and humiliation it caused you.... well you are even more wrong about climate change.

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    Studies Show When Government Is Skeptical About Climate Change, People Listen.

    And when it's not, they increasingly tune it out.

    Climate Skeptics Gather at Tenth International Conference on Climate Change | PJ Media

    Because folks know intuitively that it's a big scam

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    Arctic sea ice is nearly identical to what it was twenty years ago.

    Al Gore's credibility hardest hit. What credibility?



    Daily Arctic Sea Ice Maps

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    Has Arctic sea ice returned to normal?

    Sorry but a photo does not a case make...

    "Those who have been following NSIDC and JAXA sea ice plots have noted that this has been an extraordinary year so far, with Arctic sea ice hitting the “normal” line on some datasets. ...
    As of today,JAXA shows that we have more ice than any time on this date for the past 8 years of Aqua satellite measurement for this AMSRE dataset." (Anthony Watts, 22 April 2010)
    Discussions about the amount of sea ice in the Arctic often confuse two very different measures of how much ice there is. One measure is sea-ice extent which, as the name implies, is a measure of coverage of the ocean where ice covers 15% or more of the surface. It is a two-dimensional measurement; extent does not tell us how thick the ice is. The other measure of Arctic ice, using all three dimensions, is volume, the measure of how much ice there really is.
    Sea-ice consists of first-year ice, which is thin, and older ice which has accumulated volume, called multi-year ice. Multi-year ice is very important because it makes up most of the volume of ice at the North Pole. Volume is also the important measure when it comes to climate change, because it is the volume of the ice – the sheer amount of the stuff – that science is concerned about, rather than how much of the sea is covered in a thin layer of ice*.
    Over time, sea ice reflects the fast-changing circumstances of weather. It is driven principally by changes in surface temperature, forming and melting according to the seasons, the winds, cloud cover and ocean currents. In 2010, for example, sea ice extent recovered dramatically in March, only to melt again by May.
    Sea-ice is subject to powerful short-term effects so while we can't conclude anything about the health of the ice from just a few years' data, an obvious trend emerges over the space of a decade or more, showing a decrease of about 5% of average sea-ice cover per decade.

    Source: Rayner et.al, 2004, updated
    Where has the thick ice gone?

    When we consider the multi-year ice and look at the various measurements of it, we see a steep decline in this thick ice. As you might imagine, thick ice takes a lot more heat to melt, so the fact that it is disappearing so fast is of great concern.

    Source: Polar Science Centre, University of Washington
    It is clear from the various data sets, terrestrial and satellite, that both the sea ice extent and multi-year ice volume are reducing. Sea ice extent recovered slightly during the Arctic winters of 2008-09, but the full extent of annual ice reduction or gain is seen in September of each year, at the end of the Arctic summer. The volume of multi-year ice has not recovered at all, and is showing a steeply negative trend.
    * Footnote: Although a thin layer of ice doesn’t tell us much about the overall state of ice loss at the Arctic, it does tell us a great deal about Albedo, the property of ice to reflect heat back into space. When the sea ice diminishes, more heat passes into the oceans. That heat melts the thick ice and speeds up the melting of thinner sea ice, which in turns allows more heat to accumulate in the oceans. This is an example of a positive feedback.

    https://www.skepticalscience.com/Has...-recovered.htm

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    Also you are supposed to measure the ice when it is at it lowest point because that is when only the thickest ice remains. Not the thin sheet that we see in your photo. See here;




    An enormous difference. Nice try to deceive dippy.

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    NASA has released data showing how temperature and rainfall patterns worldwide may change through the year 2100 because of growing concentrations of greenhouse gases in Earth’s atmosphere.
    The dataset, which is available to the public, shows projected changes worldwide on a regional level in response to different scenarios of increasing carbon dioxide simulated by 21 climate models. The high-resolution data, which can be viewed on a daily timescale at the scale of individual cities and towns, will help scientists and planners conduct climate risk assessments to better understand local and global effects of hazards, such as severe drought, floods, heat waves and losses in agriculture productivity.
    NASA Releases Detailed Global Climate Change Projections | NASA

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    is nearly identical
    just like you are " nearly as intelligent " as Einstein

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    Why are smart folk who don't buy into the GW sham labled "deniers"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff View Post
    Why are smart folk who don't buy into the GW sham labled "deniers"?
    You're right, they should be labelled "fucking idiots".

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff View Post
    Why are smart folk who don't buy into the GW sham labled "deniers"?
    Because they are more aware of the actual changes earth is going thru and not having an agenda?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by spliff View Post
    Why are smart folk who don't buy into the GW sham labled "deniers"?
    Because they are more aware of the actual changes earth is going thru and not having an agenda?
    Aware? From reading bastardised pseudoscience written by glorified weather men funded by industrialists who couldn't give a shit?

    Yeah right.


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    Not official yet. But it does seem as May 2015 will go down as the hottest May on record.


    That'd be a record-high for the month, smashing last year's record of +0.77°C, and the 6th-warmest of any month since GISS's records began in 1880.
    ______________

    Some of the deniers for hire are being called out.

    Climate sceptic researcher investigated over funding from fossil fuel firms

    Willie Soon from Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics probed over failure to disclose more than $1.2m from energy industry when submitting articles


    A Harvard-Smithsonian researcher known as a climate sceptic is under multiple ethics investigations arising from his hidden financial relationships with fossil fuel companies.

    A handful of academic journals have asked Willie Soon, a researcher at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, about his failure to disclose more than $1.2m in energy industry funding when submitting articles for publication, the Climate Investigations Center (CIC) said.

    Soon is also under two parallel ethics investigations by the Smithsonian, a spokesperson for the institution said.

    Another journal, the American Meteorological Society’s Journal of Climate, said it had amended a 2009 article by Soon, making it clear that he had been funded by an energy company.

    The spate of investigations into Soon – who is frequently held up as an authority by those who reject the underlying science behind climate change – follow revelations in February that the researcher was almost entirely funded by the energy industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Also you are supposed to measure the ice when it is at it lowest point because that is when only the thickest ice remains. Not the thin sheet that we see in your photo. See here;




    An enormous difference. Nice try to deceive dippy.

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    More evidence that there is no true anthropogenic global warming:

    Global temperature change observed over the last hundred years or so is well within the natural variability of the last 8,000 years, according to a new paperby a former Intergovernmental Panel On Climate Change (IPCC) lead author.

    Dr. Philip Lloyd, a South Africa-based physicist and climate researcher, examined ice core-based temperature data going back 8,000 years to gain perspective on the magnitude of global temperature changes over the 20th Century.

    What Lloyd found was that the standard deviation of the temperature over the last 8,000 years was about 0.98 degrees Celsius– higher than the 0.85 degreesclimate scientists say the world has warmed over the last century.

    “This suggests that while some portion of the temperature change observed in the 20th century was probably caused by greenhouse gases, there is a strong likelihood that the major portion was due to natural variations,” Lloyd wrote in his study.

    http://multi-science.atypon.com/doi/...-305X.26.3.417

    Al Gore seen hightailing it outa town...

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    Resurrecting an Inhofe Science Denier at WUWT

    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    Dr. Philip Lloyd
    It looks as if Anthony has been dredging for articles and has resurrected another science denier at WUWT. He's got a guest post by Philip Lloyd, a petrochemical engineer from Cape Town, South Africa. I hadn't come across him before, but he's previously chosen WUWT to express his denial of climate science.

    Who is Philip Lloyd?

    Philip Lloyd is Managing Director at Industrial & Petrochemical Consultants (Pty) Ltd (profile archived here). He also lists himself as a Professor at Cape Peninsula University of Technology. This latter may be just an honorary post. My research suggests so but is not definitive.

    Philip Lloyd describes himself as a "senior engineer" with the following specialties: Energy, petroleum industry, mining industry, extractive metallurgy, climate change.

    Climate change you might ask? It turns out that, outside of his home country at any rate, the closest he has brushed with fame when it come to "climate change", apart from his two WUWT articles, is as Coordinating Lead Author of a chapter of an IPCC report.

    Which report? Well it's a 2005 report on Carbon Dioxide Capture and Storage.

    Which chapter was he coordinating lead author of? It's not exactly a chapter, it's an Annexe. And it's not the first Annexe, it's Annexe II: Glossary, acronyms and abbreviations

    Read on for more...


    Philip Lloyd, science denier


    Back in January this year Philip Lloyd wrote at WUWT (archived here):
    Where the sceptic differs from many other scientists is in ascribing the warming to human activities – specifically, the burning of fossil fuels and the concomitant rise in the carbon dioxide concentration in the atmosphere.
    This is truly weird, given that Philip Lloyd has a career in the coal mining industry. He even has a PhD in Chemical Engineering. So you'd have thought he would know that burning fossil fuels yields carbon dioxide. Well, it seems he might have got that far, but that's about as far as he's got. He wrote:
    A prime difficulty with the anthropogenic warming thesis is that it is not known how much of the warming is natural and how much might be caused by carbon dioxide.
    Philip is wrong of course. It is known. Certainly enough to warrant action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

    In today's article (archived here), Philip goes on about changes between the first and final IPCC drafts, as if early drafts shouldn't have been amended. He's all hot and bothered about the corrected chart that I and others have discussed before. He reckons it shouldn't have been corrected!

    Philip talks about the tropospheric "hot spot" and wrongly says:
    None of these methods have managed to find any evidence of warming at anything like 0.6 degrees Centigrade per decade. The thermometers suggest slight cooling; the satellites slight warming. This huge discrepancy between model and measurement has been the subject of intense discussion since the 2007 Assessment. ...
    ...This time I read out to the IPCC the actual papers from the peer-reviewed literature that they should have been using: -
    and listed five papers that he says the IPCC should have referenced papers, including this one:
    Allen, Robert J. and Sherwood, Steven C. (2008) Warming maximum in the tropical upper troposphere deduced from thermal winds. Nature Geosci 1 (6), 399- 403, http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v...l/ngeo208.html,
    The abstract for the Allen and Sherwood paper shows that Philip Lloyd lied when he wrote "none of these methods have managed to find any evidence of warming at anything like 0.6 degrees Centigrade per decade:
    Climate models and theoretical expectations have predicted that the upper troposphere should be warming faster than the surface. Surprisingly, direct temperature observations from radiosonde and satellite data have often not shown this expected trend. However, non-climatic biases have been found in such measurements.
    Here we apply the thermal-wind equation to wind measurements from radiosonde data, which seem to be more stable than the temperature data. We derive estimates of temperature trends for the upper troposphere to the lower stratosphere since 1970. Over the period of observations, we find a maximum warming trend of 0.65 plus minus 0.47 K per decade near the 200 hPa pressure level, below the tropical tropopause. Warming patterns are consistent with model predictions except for small discrepancies close to the tropopause. Our findings are inconsistent with the trends derived from radiosonde temperature datasets and from NCEP reanalyses of temperature and wind fields. The agreement with models increases confidence in current model-based predictions of future climate change.
    I checked and that paper was indeed cited in the IPCC AR5 report in the section on upper air temperatures (p 2-41). So that paper was cited in AR5. Not only that, it doesn't find what Philip wanted it to find. Huh! so much for his complaints.

    So I check Philip's other references to see if they were cited in AR5. It turns out that three of of his list of five papers were cited:

    Cited twice in Chapter 9 in the section on tropical troposphere temperature trends (page 9-30)
    Douglass, D. H., Christy, J. R., Pearson, B. D. and Singer, S. F. (2008), A comparison of tropical temperature trends with model predictions. Int. J. Climatol., 28: 1693–1701. doi: 10.1002/joc.1651
    Cited in Chapter 2 (page 2-40) in the section on upper air temperatures:
    Titchner, Holly A., P. W. Thorne, M. P. McCarthy, S. F. B. Tett, L. Haimberger, D. E. Parker, 2009: Critically Reassessing Tropospheric Temperature Trends from Radiosondes Using Realistic Validation Experiments. J. Climate, 22, 465–485. doi: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie
    I only found one citation from the dubious "journal" Energy and Environment and it wasn't the Singer et al paper. So sad (Will that single citation provide ammunition for Donna Laframboise to allege that AR5 WG1 didn't stick solely to peer reviewed literature?)

    So apart from the E&E "paper" by Fred Singer, the only reference not cited from Lloyd's list (hey, not that Lloyd's List!) was this one:
    Lanzante, John R., Melissa Free, 2008: Comparison of Radiosonde and GCM Vertical Temperature Trend Profiles: Effects of Dataset Choice and Data Homogenization. J. Climate, 21, 5417–5435. doi: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie;
    However other similar papers from Lanzante and Free were cited more than once in AR5. For example, among others:How's that for "making up stuff". Philip Lloyd is a very suitable contributor to WUWT.


    Who is Philip Lloyd?


    So who is Philip Lloyd? The WUWT article states (archived here):
    Professor Philip Lloyd is from the Energy Institute, Cape Peninsula University of Technology, Cape Town S.A.
    I dug deeper and, thanks to Tim Lambert, found that he was one of Senator Inhofe's quoted "skeptics". In the 2008 Senate Minority Report (the one purportedly listing 650 "skeptics" but actually only three or so from the IPCC) he is mentioned as follows:

    CO2 is insignificant, says "Nuclear Physicist" Philip Lloyd

    Oh, and this "nuclear physicist" and coal mining consultant claims to have studied the ice record in detail!
    Nuclear Physicist and Chemical Engineer Dr. Philip Lloyd, a UN IPCC cocoordinating lead author on the Technical Report on Carbon Capture & Storage, was in charge of South Africa’s Chamber of Mines’ Metallurgy Laboratory and was a former professor at University of Witwatersrand where he established a course in environmental chemical engineering. Lloyd has served as President of the South African Institution of Chemical Engineers, the Federation of Societies of Professional Engineers, and the Associated Scientific and Technical Societies of Southern Africa. Lloyd, who has authored over 150 refereed publications, currently serves as an honorary research fellow with the Energy Research Centre at the University of Cape Town. Lloyd rejects man-made climate fears. “I have grave difficulties in finding any but the most circumstantial evidence for any human impact on the climate,” Lloyd wrote to EPW on January 18, 2008. “The quantity of CO2 we produce is insignificant in terms of the natural circulation between air, water and soil. I have tried numerous tests for radiative effects, and all have failed. I have tried to develop an isotopic method for identifying stable C12 (from fossil fuels) and merely ended up understanding the difference between the major plant chemistries and their differing ability to use the different isotopes. I have studied the ice core record, in detail, and am concerned that those who claim to have a model of our climate future haven't a clue about the forces driving our climate past,” Lloyd wrote. “I am particularly concerned that the rigor of science seems to have been sacrificed on an altar of fundraising. I am doing a detailed assessment of the IPCC reports and the Summaries for Policy Makers, identifying the way in which the Summaries have distorted the science. I have found examples of a Summary saying precisely the opposite of what the scientists said,” he concluded.
    Next question - who or what is EPW? Did Lloyd write a denier letter to Economics and Politics Weekly back in 2008? Maybe Inhofe could quote WUWT next

    I searched Google Scholar for his "150 refereed publications". I found only 20 items listed in Google Scholar going back nearly fifty years, of which several were obviously not "refereed". He didn't have any publications listed in the IPCC carbon capture report he co-authored.


    Philip Lloyd - Coordinating Lead Author of an IPCC report


    Philip Lloyd was touted in Senator Inhofe's minority report as a Coordinating Lead Author for the IPCC . I went through all the main reports and couldn't find his name - not in any one of them. Not as an author nor in the list of references. I extended the search and discovered he was listed as an author in the 2005 IPCC Special Report: Carbon Dioxide Capture and Storage:
    • Chapter 5: Underground Geological Storage - one of the 21 lead authors (working under two coordinating lead authors)
    • Annex II - Glossary, acronyms and abbreviations - Coordinating lead author!
    He was a lead author in Underground Geological Storage. Fair enough. But the effort he must be most proud of his role as Coordinating Lead Author of the Annex of Glossary, acronyms and abbreviations!!!


    What did Philip Lloyd do at MIT?


    In Philip's LinkedIn profile (archived here) he claims education at Massachusetts Institute of Technology. But when I looked down his profile further it didn't list any degree of any kind from MIT. All it said was "Nuclear engineering". He listed his qualifications as follows:
    Massachusetts Institute of Technology
    Nuclear engineering
    1962 – 1965
    Activities and Societies: Fellow School for Advanced Studies, Outing Club, Choral Society
    University of Cape Town
    PhD, Chemical Engineering
    1959 – 1961
    PhD thesis on uranium solvent extraction
    Vice-president of SRC 1960-61 and de facto president because president generally absent from campus
    Activities and Societies: Students Representative Council
    University of Cape Town
    Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.), Chemical Engineering
    1955 – 1958
    University of Cape Town
    BSc, Chemical Engineering
    1954 – 1958
    Activities and Societies: Mountain & Ski Club, Yacht Club, Photographic Society, Classical Music Society
    Interesting. Did he get two PhDs in Chemical Engineering at the University of Cape Town or was that a slip? And what did he do at MIT apart from singing in a choir? Was that a post-doc position? Did he start something and not finish?


    My BS antennas are quivering. This chap was a student politician and is still one today (look at his "I was really effectively the SRC president because the real president was away a lot"!) Shades of 60 year olds whose greatest academic award was given while they were in high school, so they still boast about it.


    Philip Lloyd proudly proclaims his Nobel Prize - more than once


    And there's more. Philip Lloyd, in his LinkedIn profile, when he mentions his role at the IPCC, proudly claims to have been part of team sharing the Nobel Peace Prize:
    Contributor
    Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
    December 2007
    Part of team sharing Nobel Peace Prize
    Padding and self-promotion to the extreme


    It's not the only place where he boasts of his Nobel Prize. I found this paragraph in a press release from the Cape Peninsula University of Technology (archived here). (Did he write this himself?)
    It’s certainly not the first time Lloyd’s scooped such prestigious recognition. In 2007, Lloyd’s contributions to carbon capture and storage were acknowledged by the Intergovernmental Panel for Climate Change (IPCC) as sufficient for him to form part of the nominated Nobel Peace Prize team, together with former United States president Al Gore.
    That's what I call ironic promotion for a climate science denier! (Am I correct in recalling Anthony Watts mocking Michael Mann for saying that he contributed to IPCC's efforts that resulted in it being awarded the Nobel Prize? When is he going to blast Philip Lloyd for doing so?)


    (I checked, and the SANEA did give him the Energy Award for a lifelong contribution, back in 2010.)


    By the way, here is the website of the Energy Institute of the Cape Peninsula University of Technology. (I had to search directly because there is no link from this page in the list of Research Centres in the Engineering Department.) You'll see it is proudly supported by Eskom and the Fossil Fuel Foundation:


    When I went to the Eskom website, this is what I found:



    Incidentally, I don't know what the policies of the Fossil Fuel Foundation are or it's attitude on climate change. However I did come across a transcript of a speech by a guest speaker who spoke about climate change in realistic terms.


    Just another nutty denier?


    Philip Lloyd comes across as just another science denier, albeit one who wouldn't appear as an utter nutter if he stuck to his real accomplishments and didn't pad them so much. Ironically, he is a science denier who boasts a Nobel Prize from his contribution to the IPCC while making out that the IPCC reports are a load of crock. He opened his article with the following:
    People have the nasty habit of giving their opponents names. Those who are convinced that humans are wrecking the world by burning fossil fuels call those who don’t believe them “denialists.” It implies that they are close to the Holocaust deniers, and so are clearly beyond the pale.
    I have come to the conclusion that they are wrong. The true denialists are those who believe in global warming, and who will go to any lengths to deny the evidence against that position.
    Philip Lloyd, no matter how much you deny the fact - you are a climate science denier

    HotWhopper: Resurrecting an Inhofe Science Denier at WUWT - Nobel Prize Winner, MIT-educated Philip Lloyd
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