Thread: What Will It Take To Get Rid Of ISIS?

Originally Posted by pseudolus

You didn't see this on CNN... BBC

There's quite a lot on BBC and CNN about Ssudi Support for IS and Islamic extremism. Did you even bother to look?

Originally Posted by DrB0b

There's quite a lot on BBC and CNN about Ssudi Support for IS and Islamic extremism. Did you even bother to look?

No no bobbins, they say "wealthy individuals from ..." not Saud and Qatari government. Although convoluted, the bbc likes to pretend it is not official saud and qatari policy to fund these groups so as to avoid awkward questions when the west sell them another billions dollars worth of weapons.

Originally Posted by tomcat

...maybe not this particular quote, but WaPo and NYT commented years ago on Saudi and Qatari citizens (among many others) aiding ISIS...this is not news (unless the courier has just reached your outpost)...

Subtle difference my dear... Citizens... but the fact clearly is it is state policy.

As I said... you don't see this on BBC and CNN. they are too busy crying about the leaks, and not paying attention to the reams and reams of information within them.

Originally Posted by misskit

^^Your good buddy Vlad, as of late, is selling arms to the Saudis also. Not sure how that works out with the ISIS support from the Saudis an all.

What are you talking about "my good buddy Vlad"? What a strange and typical Fox News response. Detests the puppets pretending to lead western policy, so therefore must love Putin?

Have a word with yourself Kittycat

Originally Posted by pseudolus

the fact clearly is it is state policy

..."state" policy in the Gulf is little more than a hoary group of "royal" tubtards waiting to see who reacts (and how) to their little schemes...there are no Metternichs or Tallyrands directing foreign affairs, merely "monarchs" frightened lest their skullduggery cause a loss of power...

Originally Posted by pseudolus

No no bobbins, they say "wealthy individuals from ..."

Is that the sound of shifting goalposts I hear?

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Is that the sound of shifting goalposts I hear?

No - it is Saud and qatar state policy. the BBC say it is some rich people. Completely different. It would be like saying some rich people in the UK were funding the White Helmuts in Syria who are involve in cutting the heads off of children, torture, and mass executions, when in fact their funcing comes from the UK government. Therefore, state policy, as opposed to "some rich individuals".

No moving goal posts at all. as I said YOU will not read about State Saud and Qatar policy being to support ISIS in the BBC, CNN, other corpotrate mainstream press. I put up the proof that the US State department knows it is Saud nad Qatar State POlicy to fund ISIS. You now put up proof of the BBC or CNN saying that as well, and you win your little bun fight if that will make you happy.

Why Aren’t Americans Celebrating fall of ISIL State? It is a bogeyman
By Juan Cole | (Informed Comment) Dec 10, 2107

Other people are celebrating the defeat of Daesh (ISIS, ISIL) on the battlefield and its destruction as a territorial state.
Russia issued an announcement last week that ISIL has been wiped out in Syria.

Iraqi prime minister Haydar al-Abadi said Saturday that Iraq had been completely liberated from the terrorists.
In the US, there has been no victory parade, no official statement, nothing.

Given how much hysteria there was about ISIL in 2014, it is puzzling that its defeat has not been bigger news in the United States. I had all along held that ISIL as a state is a flash in the pan. (Any small handful of people nowadays can get hold of C4 and blow things up, so ISIL isn’t likely dead as a terrorist group. But it doesn’t hold territory.)

The reason the US public doesn’t commemorate this victory is that Daesh, and Muslim extremism more generally, have become a bogeyman, driving American nightmares, fears and foreign policy. This is not to say that ISIL isn’t a real threat. Those people are meaner than rattlesnakes. Nor that the US cannot suffer from a terrorism attack. It can. But the discourse of Daesh or ISIL is not rational. Their state can collapse and it isn’t a big deal here because there will be a new ISIL, since it is key to US policy making now.
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The “war on terror,” like the “war on poverty” or the “war on drugs,” has become a plot device for politics, not a rational policy. The US public is not interested in the details. A Bogeyman is bad no matter the details.

The US public has almost no interest in Afghanistan, and very little in Iraq. The passing of Daesh/ISIL from the scene means nothing to them, because it is the eternal, ideal type of the Muslim extremist that now validates power. It doesn’t matter that *Muslims* mobilized to defeat the phony “caliphate.” Trump claimed credit for the victory all by himself.

So Daesh is defeated. It doesn’t register. Bogeymen are forever. Trump is using this one to keep out brown skinned foreigners of all descriptions.

If we celebrated our win, we might have to start acting like rational human beings.
Crazy.

https://www.juancole.com/2017/12/ame...edium=facebook

Yes, one line would have done it.

The US public has almost no interest in Afghanistan, and very little in Iraq. The passing of Daesh/ISIL from the scene means nothing to them.

And most of them don't even know where the fuck Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria are on map.

They only give a fuck about them damned spics takin' their jobs.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

They only give a fuck about them damned spics takin' their jobs.

They would like to work but somebody stole them the jobs...

What 'are so many of them doing?' 95 million not in US labor force

Published Fri, 2 Dec 2016
https://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/02/95-m...bor-force.html

One year old figures, but perhaps now it getting better?

No, now it is 95 mil:



https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS15000000

Originally Posted by OhOh

The LORD has decided it's time to pull up a few sticks and return them to mother Russia. He's leaving some tripwires to assist the President of Syria and the co-opted forces.

He also is buzzing around the ME consulting with those who wish to talk and plan.

Sudan, Egypt, Palestine .....

Sudan are asking for assistance which appears to be OK. Given it's position, bordering Egypt, Libya, Chad, The Red Sea..... it will assist not only Sudan but any Chinese plans across to the Atlantic.

https://sputniknews.com/world/201711231059367810-sudan-russia-protection-meeting/

"On Defense and Economic Cooperation Speaking about defense cooperation with Russia, Bashir noted that Sudan wants to strengthen its military attache presence in the country.

"As for defense industry cooperation, we must say that weapons we have both for ground and air forces are Russian-made. We had a very good meeting with the Russian defense minister this morning. We are launching a comprehensive program aimed at re-equipping our armed forces, and we have agreed with [the Russian] defense minister that Russia will assist us in this task."


https://www.geopolitica.ru/en/article/sahelian-saharan-silk-road-one-chinas-master-plans-africa


Sudan Is Indispensable To China’s Silk Road Vision For Africa



"The news that China will build a railway from the Red Sea city of Port Sudan to the Chadian capital of N’Djamena proves just how serious Beijing is about pioneering a transcontinental Sahelian-Saharan Silk Road to more easily connect Africa’s largest country of Nigeria to the Eurasian landmass, bringing with it plenty of multipolar opportunities for China’s Pakistani and Turkish partners and showcasing the indispensable position that Sudan is poised to play in making this grand vision possible.

The Sudan Tribute recently reported that its eponymous country signed a deal with China to explore the viability of constructing a railway from Port Sudan to N’Djamena, with an eye on completing a long-awaited connectivity project that had hitherto been held up due to various degrees of regional instability. According to the publication, the original plan was to link up the Chadian and even nearby Central African Republic capitals with the Red Sea in order to provide these resource-rich landlocked states with an outlet to the global marketplace, which is increasingly becoming Asia-centric ergo the Eastern vector of this initiative. In terms of the bigger picture, however, the successful completion of the Port Sudan-N’Djamena Railway would constitute a crucial component of China’s unstated intentions to construct what the author had previously referred to as the “Sahelian-Saharan Silk Road”, the relevant portion of which (the Chad-Sudan Corridor) is a slight improvisation of Trans-African Highway 6. "

Looking to win another term as president next year.

China doesn't give a monkey's flying fuck about Chad, Sudan, Turkey or anyone else.

China only cares about China.

Surely it's all about resources, markets and business. Making money. With a little bit of international development thrown in for good measure.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Surely it's all about resources, markets and business. Making money. With a little bit of international development thrown in for good measure.

Spot on, a lot of it is about food security, as well as getting hold of minerals and fuels.

They don't just give shit away, as Venezuela is finding out.

^Continuing to do business with Venezuela as opposed to formenting more "colour revolutions". As opposed to starving Venezuelan citizens which some are doing.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Surely it's all about resources, markets and business

One wonders why the "western model" has failed so dismally, to lift the millions out of poverty, for the past few centuries. Possibly the "western model" was never intended to bring prosperity to the client country.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Making money. With a little bit of international development thrown in for good measure.

The BRI "international development" actually delivers useful items for the countries to utilise. As opposed to being spent in the donor country on exotic products and "expensive foreign advisors" whose job is to overstate the income and offer additional impossible loans when the targets fail to be met.

But does one stick to the old failed methods or take a chance with the new offers? Only time will tell whose opinion is correct.

Looks like, according to this new map The LORD has called it correctly. A few small desert holdings to be purged and ISIS et al is finished. I wonder when the crusader coalition will do likewise.



Mapping World War In Syria & Iraq

Mapping World War In Syria & Iraq | Zero Hedge"For some time now Syria and Iraq have been a place where interests of many players are clashing. The region is being devastated by civil war or a war by proxy, fought by a number of participants, where the borderline between friend and foe is sharp or vague as the case may be. The military sorties, airstrikes and other activities are taking place on a day-to-day basis. Conflicting pieces of information that can be gleaned from a variety of sources may reflect both the factual status or the propaganda of the powers that be, hidden behind the media outlets. It is not easy to see the forest for the trees, to filter valuable data in this informational noise. Still, our readers deserve to be informed. With all this in mind, the Gefira team has made an effort to present the current situation in Syria and Iraq in an accessible graphic and textual way according to the best of our ability."

The west is trying to do too much, they can't even solve Syria, so what hope do they have of solving the rest of the world's problems, many of which were caused and exacerbated by their policies?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

China doesn't give a monkey's flying fuck about Chad, Sudan, Turkey or anyone else.

China only cares about China.

Originally Posted by tomcat

...and rightly so...just like every other country cares first about its interests...

So, neither of you have been to Puerto Rico recently, you know one of the places where ameristan citizens are born and live, but suddenly forgotten when they need assistance. And ameristani vassals expect something different.

"Originally populated by the indigenous Taíno people, the island was claimed in 1493 by Christopher Columbus for Spain during his second voyage. Later it endured invasion attempts from the French, Dutch, and British. Four centuries of Spanish colonial government influenced the island's cultural landscapes with waves of African slaves, Canarian, and Andalusian settlers. In the Spanish Empire, Puerto Rico played a secondary, but strategic role when compared to wealthier colonies like Peru and the mainland parts of New Spain.^[20][21] Spain's distant administrative control continued up to the end of the 19th century, helping to produce a distinctive creole Hispanic culture and language that combined elements from the Native Americans, Africans, and Iberians.^[22] In 1898, following the Spanish–American War, the United States acquired Puerto Rico under the terms of the Treaty of Paris.
Puerto Ricans are by law natural-born citizens of the United States and may move freely between the island and the mainland"

...^a rather windy non sequitur...

It's what he does.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Looks like, according to this new map from one of my favourite whackjob websites

FTFY.

Originally Posted by OhOh

So, neither of you have been to Puerto Rico recently

I was there in June.

According to my records, Puerto Rico has played no part in the fight against IS.

Originally Posted by tomcat

...^a rather windy non sequitur...

You suggested that countries are right to take care of it's citizens. Obviously not an ameristani citizen in trouble, from whatever source.

Originally Posted by OhOh

You suggested that countries are right to take care of it's citizens. Obviously not an ameristani citizen in trouble, from whatever source.

He didn't suggest, but SAY that a country is right to take care of its INTERESTS, not CITIZENS.

Ergo he is correct to identify your post as a complete load of irrelevant waffle.

You are suggesting that a countries citizens well being is not a governments responsibility.