The 'Americans Getting Shot' Thread

[Maanaam]

Which is worse, the parents that taught a 4yo kid to cock and pull the trigger, or the blond that thinks it's adorable?

[fredwiggy]

Limiting availability to who? How many guns? True, someone who want's to kill can do it with one gun, a hammer,knife or bat. True, automatic weapons,which aren't readily available and un-necessary for anything except the military, shouldn't be owned by the general public, and large magazines either. But legal ownership has it's purpose, besides hunting and target shooting, because it has and always will save innocent lives. Facts are facts. https://www.yahoo.com/news/sheriff-w...181806403.html

[fredwiggy]

If you're going to have weapons, teaching children safety is mandatory so they respect the weapon and it's capabilities. Keeping them out of reach otherwise is essential.

[Maanaam]

always will save innocent lives.

Put these in order of which came first; The 2nd Ammendemnt talking about muskets, availabilty of guns, bad guys with guns, good guys needing guns to stop bad guys.

[AntRobertson]

But legal ownership has it's purpose, besides hunting and target shooting, because it has and always will save innocent lives. Facts are facts. https://www.yahoo.com/news/sheriff-w...181806403.html

Tricky things those facts though... Because having a gun in the house also increases your odds of dying by homicide, suicide or accident.

https://www.vox.com/2015/10/1/18000520/gun-risk-death

[fredwiggy]

And not having one guarantees that you can only be a victim. Accidents happen anywhere, taking safety precautions prevents accidents. Suicide happens in many ways. My best friend used carbon monoxide. Not having a gun won't stop a depressed individual. True, having a gun available makes that percentage go up, but the advantages of having one far outweighs the disadvantages. Only way to protect your home against criminals is a weapon in properly trained hands,like the link I shared. It is true also that someone's wife might be pissed off at her husband and in the heat of a fight might use a gun whereas a chance to cool down might have prevented that, but in suicide, treatment for depression has to come first, or they will always find a way.

[AntRobertson]

And not having one guarantees that you can only be a victim

No, it doesn't.

Accidents happen anywhere, taking safety precautions prevents accidents. Suicide happens in many ways. My best friend used carbon monoxide. Not having a gun won't stop a depressed individual.

Well OK but the point still remains: having a gun increases the odds of all of those things. Those facts you were talking about.

Children ages 5 to 14 are 11 times more likely to be killed with a gun in the US compared to other developed countries. More of them.

[fredwiggy]

Responsible gun owners prevent their children from getting their hands on a gun. Doesn't take much. And if someone comes into your home armed, if you can't defend yourself with a weapon, you are a victim. Against a maniac bent on hurting you or your family, they need to be the victim.

[AntRobertson]

Responsible gun owners prevent their children from getting their hands on a gun. Doesn't take much.

OK, but kids in the US still die from guns at a shockingly high rate.

And if someone comes into your home armed, if you can't defend yourself with a weapon, you are a victim

Guns aren't the only weapon.

Anyways, it was you who said 'facts are facts' but apparently when those facts don't suit you default to subjective re-positioning.

[fredwiggy]

Kids die because some gun owners are irresponsible. Facts suit everyone, that's why they are called facts. You can't dispute a fact. If someone comes into your house armed, they have the upper hand,period. Throwing a can of tomatoes at someone who doesn't belong in your house, who is invading your personal space, will only enrage them more. True, most that break into homes are only looking to steal, but some are coming to rape, or rob then kill. This is where a homeowner having a weapon gives them a chance to defend themselves and their family . I haven't "defaulted to subjective re-positioning", just listed the variables that happen.

[uncle junior]

Limiting availability to who?

automatic weapons.........shouldn't be owned by the general public, and large magazines either

there ya go.

[AntRobertson]

Throwing a can of tomatoes at someone who doesn't belong in your house, who is invading your personal space, will only enrage them more.

Unless it, you know, knocks them out.

Canned tomatoes: effective deterrent.

This is where a homeowner having a weapon gives them a chance to defend themselves and their family . I haven't "defaulted to subjective re-positioning", just listed the variables that happen.

The facts are this:

Those homeowners and/or someone else in that home are more likely to die from that weapon(s) than they are to successfully employ it in defense of themselves from someone who has broken in intent on murder/rape/death/destruction.

[fredwiggy]

True, most people never will incur a break in, especially by someone carrying a weapon, and having that weapon in that house does increase the chance that someone living there might be hurt. That chance lessens if the homeowner is responsible with their weapons. A lot of lives have been saved by homeowners having guns. A lot have died because of it. The more people have guns in public, concealed, legally carried, the better chance a disturbed individual will be stopped fast if they decide to go on a shooting spree. Guns will never be banned in the United States. People love their guns, and the part of freedom they show. If there were a better way to check someone's psychological profile than the typical background, it might help. That won't happen. A lot of disturbed people enter the military or police academy's every year. The population goes up, the crime goes up. Education is somewhat of a deterrent to crime. Poverty overrides that. There are valid arguments for both sides. I personally like the security a gun brings. If someone saves their own or one of their family's lives having a gun, to them it was worth having one. A child should never see a gun until they are old enough to understand how dangerous they are and then should be taught safety.

[uncle junior]

Guns will never be banned in the United States.

the only people i hear talking about an all out ban is the NRA crowd. Control with some common sense regulations is what most are asking for.

In a side note the NRA overplayed it's hand, revenues were down around $40 million for 2o17

[Maanaam]

Kids die because some gun owners are irresponsible

So you need to keep your weapon locked up, right?
Jim Jeffries has a take on that as far as keeping your home safe. Don't miss parts 2 and 3.

[Maanaam]

Do you have a vote in American Elections and American Policy Mama

No, why?

I have a feeling you need to watch the above video, especially the bit about Jim's 1st ammendment right to say the 2nd Ammendment "sucks dicks"

[fredwiggy]

Just another's opinion. Locking up the gun doesn't make it available. Keeping it out of sight and reach from children keeps them safe. Hiding it from a child yet making it readily available is the hard part.

[harrybarracuda]

Only stupid old farts are dumb enough to think that allowing guns everywhere is a good idea.

Young Americans understand that being in a supposedly "developed" country with a worse rate of gun deaths than Mexico or South Africa is not a good thing.

[tomcat]

Hiding it from a child yet making it readily available is the hard part.

...disagree: attempting to justify lax gun laws is the hard part...

Facts suit everyone, that's why they are called facts.

...fred, meet Donald...

[harrybarracuda]

Embarrassing in fact. Embarrassing that it's so obvious how to fix it, but the 'tards that support the NRA would rather thousands die that lose their tiny penis extension.

[bobo746]

Oz 1.4 Yanks 29.7 we better get our fingers out

[Latindancer]

Why are Luxembourg and Switzerland so high ? What goes on there ???

[harrybarracuda]

True, most people never will incur a break in, especially by someone carrying a weapon, and having that weapon in that house does increase the chance that someone living there might be hurt. That chance lessens if the homeowner is responsible with their weapons

You can't just make shit up.

The fact is that if you are an armed homeowner, an armed burglar is more likely to shoot you than just nick your laptop.

The chances of your children getting shot by accident go up, as does the risk of suicide.

This has all been proven statistically. You are just making a blanket statement with no evidence whatsoever.

[harrybarracuda]

Why are Luxembourg and Switzerland so high ? What goes on there ???

I don't know about Luxembourg, but in Switzerland, military service is compulsory and they are allowed to buy and keep their firearm at the end of it.

More guns = more gun deaths (also backed up by evidence).

[Cujo]

Some sad stats here.
Over 24,000 suicides. Jeezus. Things must be bad there.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...evels-cdc-2017

the tragedy of gun violence and suicides is not spread randomly across the country, but is concentrated precisely in those places where gun ownership is most prevalent and gun laws at their loosest