Thread: How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

Originally Posted by SKkin

The U.S. had done something similar six years earlier when it encouraged Kosovo to break away from Serbia. But, in regards to Ukraine, neocons invoked the 1938 Munich betrayal and compared the Crimea case to Hitler’s seizure of the Sudetenland.

The putin-tards grasping at straws attempts to come up with 'comparable' US actions to the illegal Crimean annexation is always a guaranteed

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Russia and the West sparring over the Ukraine had only one strategic issue for Russia: Sevastopol naval base.

By taking Crimea, they guarantee not only that they have access to it, but NATO doesn't.

And if NATO could have cut off the Strait, Rostov would have been taken out of the game, too.

It's why Russia have opened a new base at Novorossiysk.

I expect all of this is news to you, otherwise you wouldn't talk out of your arse.

All of this is obvious. But you forgot that Putin just wants to rebuild the lost Empire. He threatens all his neighbours, including the Baltic states. But the Baltic states are in NATO so riskier to attack.

Again, it is the threat by Russia that brings NATO into play, not the other way around.

Again: Bullshit.

Euromaidan was the result of Vlad trying to take over Ukraine by (corrupt) political means to STOP it moving closer to Europe and ultimately joining NATO.

Ukraine was well on its way to European integration.

You have the chicken and the egg the wrong way round.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Euromaidan was the result of Vlad trying to take over Ukraine by (corrupt) political means to STOP it moving closer to Europe and ultimately joining NATO.

So, why the USA bothered to spend $5B before the Vlad came in?
Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call - BBC News

The U.S. had done something similar six years earlier when it encouraged Kosovo to break away from Serbia.

Only that in Crimea nobody died...

(because behind every voter a Russian soldier with a gun...???)

Originally Posted by Looper

'comparable' US actions to the illegal Crimean annexation

Yes, it is truly impossible to compare a Parliamentary declared Referendum, decided with an overwhelming result, to an illegal invasion that has resulted in over 500,000 dead, not to mention millions displaced. And Isil. There is absolutely no comparison.

^
Presactly.

Just a general remark. The USA may do things that are despicable. But anyone believing that replacing the USA as the dominant power with Russia or China is VERY seriously deluded.

Originally Posted by sabang

Yes, it is truly impossible to compare a Parliamentary declared Referendum, decided with an overwhelming result, to an illegal invasion that has resulted in over 500,000 dead, not to mention millions displaced. And Isil. There is absolutely no comparison.

The Kosovo intervention was humanitarian effort to stem the flow blood in a real 1990s genocide situation (not a flaky claim 200-year-old aboriginal genocide!).

The Crimean annexation was a purely self-serving 19th century old-school vintage land-grab by force.

Hilarious the delusions these merkin-phobic tin-pot dictator cheerleaders live under.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Euromaidan was the result of Vlad trying to take over Ukraine by (corrupt) political means to STOP it moving closer to Europe and ultimately joining NATO.

So, why the USA bothered to spend $5B before the Vlad came in?
Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call - BBC News

WTF are you on about now, you idiot?

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Euromaidan was the result of Vlad trying to take over Ukraine by (corrupt) political means to STOP it moving closer to Europe and ultimately joining NATO.

Ukraine was well on its way to European integration.

That's what I said

No it isn't, you moron. You said:

it is the threat by Russia that brings NATO into play

It was the threat of Ukraine joining NATO that made Russia intervene.

FFS you can't win arguments by making both sides simultaneously. ***






*** Or you can.

Originally Posted by Looper

What if Obama or any other western leader annexed a chunk of a neighbouring country on some flimsy protectionist pretence?

Would it all be cool bananas?

Originally Posted by Looper

Like Tony Soprano said

Interesting that you should bring up Tony Soprano. Putin is acting like a petty gangster. Fun to watch on TV but when they are in charge of a large nearly G7 nation it is not so funny I think.

The US has already annexed chunks of other countries, mate! Been doing it for years and it is ongoing. Remember Cuba, Panama, Guatemala, the Phillipines, Okinawa, Iraq, Afghanistan, Guam, Diego Garcia, the Marshall Islands, Saudi Arabia, Qatar?! And you can't ignore all the regime changes that the US has, or is in the process of, initiating all around the world. Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Argentina, Colombia, Venezuala!!!

Putin isn't the worry for the world! The biggest threat to world peace are those raving lunatics in the White House and their hangers on in Israel, NATO and the UN!! Absolute thugs!!

Multinic Wanker Alert.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Euromaidan was the result of Vlad trying to take over Ukraine by (corrupt) political means to STOP it moving closer to Europe and ultimately joining NATO.

So, why the USA bothered to spend $5B before the Vlad came in?
Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call - BBC News

WTF are you on about now, you idiot?

Harry, you can look by yourself, it's no secret...

Similar tendency (like in Ukraine 2014) to initiate a discord with Russia was undertaken in 2008 with help of president of Georgia (Gruzia) Saakashvili. He is the one forcing yesterday his entry to Ukraine (thread Mackie, Mackie back in town). A short war Russia-Georgia in 2018 resulted in separation of Abkhazia and South Ossetia from Georgia, becoming independent states since (not sure about a referendum ).

The Georgia's (tie-eating) president Saakashvili had later to leave his Georgia (because of criminal charges against him), moved to USA as university lecturer. A year after the Ukraine's Maidan he was invited by his friend Ukraine's president Poroshenko to serve as a governor of Odessa, granted citizenship of Ukraine. He hasn't served for long, as no longer a friend to the president, had to leave again to USA, his passport this time of Ukraine's revoked.

Now, he is back - not yet in town (Kiev) - with help of his friend Yulia Timoshenko (former PM of Ukraine) - a problem with passport (hasn't been advised about Montenegro?).

(record of some my remarks lost this morning at the thread Mackie back in town - an explanation that all this is in a close relation to the dangerous Mr. Putin)

Originally Posted by Neo

do you think the 135 independent observers that did attend were forced at gunpoint..?
do you think they did see abuse of the referendum process but are collectively keeping quiet?
do you think this is all a plot to undermine the image of Ukraine as a truly democratic nation.?

No, I think they were all pro-Russia stooges you daft twat.

Which they were.

did Misskit tell you that or was it the voices in your head ya fuckin loon.?

Originally Posted by Neo

did Misskit tell you that or was it the voices in your head ya fuckin loon.?

Oh dear, stopped any semblance of reasonable argument dead there, eh?

Trust and Believe harry.. Putin is your enemy.

Go back to sleep, Uncle Sam has it all figured out for you.

Originally Posted by Neo

Trust and Believe harry.. Putin is your enemy.

Go back to sleep, Uncle Sam has it all figured out for you.

You see that? That's you, that is.

Originally Posted by Neo

your tin foil hat is slipping harry you whackjob

Says the bozo who quotes globalresearch.ca.

GlobalResearch.ca is literally one of the worst websites on the internet for news.

GlobalResearch.ca, home of:

• 9/11 Truth
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• Vaccines are extremely dangerous
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The Centre for Research on Globalization, also known as the Centre for Global Research and Mondialisation.ca is a fascist/Kremlin-funded propaganda outlet that defames and slanders their targeted groups such as Jews, Ukrainians, the United States, and other western countries.

Its peers include the Transnational Foundation for Peace and Future Research, the British Helsinki Human Rights Group, the Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity, and the Institute for Democracy and Cooperation and theNashi Youth

https://www.quora.com/Journalistic-E...lobal-Research

Yet you are the one who is not brainwashed?

Originally Posted by OhOh

Meanwhile The LORD has suggested deploying UN peacekeepers on the current line dividing East and West Ukraine, you know so the OSCE can do their job properly. Allegedly the Germans think it's a great idea.

Where do you get your news?

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin told German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Monday that UN peacekeepers might be deployed to eastern Ukraine not only on the Donbass contact line separating the sides of the conflict but in other parts where OSCE inspectors work.

Putin, in a phone call with Merkel, gave her a detailed description of Russia’s initiative to establish a UN mission to protect observers from a special OSCE monitoring mission in Ukraine, the Kremlin said.

Taking into account the ideas expressed by Merkel, Putin said Moscow was ready to add new functions to this UN mission proposed in the Russian variant of a UN resolution on Ukraine.

Translation:

He wants at least prior knowledge, if not control over where they go and what they see.

Typical Vlad.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-r...-idUSKCN1BM2B5

Originally Posted by Looper

Originally Posted by sabang

Yes, it is truly impossible to compare a Parliamentary declared Referendum, decided with an overwhelming result, to an illegal invasion that has resulted in over 500,000 dead, not to mention millions displaced. And Isil. There is absolutely no comparison.

The Kosovo intervention was humanitarian effort to stem the flow blood in a real 1990s genocide situation (not a flaky claim 200-year-old aboriginal genocide!).

The Crimean annexation was a purely self-serving 19th century old-school vintage land-grab by force.

Hilarious the delusions these merkin-phobic tin-pot dictator cheerleaders live under.

You are right Looper there has never been anything like Crimea, cant compare the invasion of Granada for instance, there was no referendum there and a number killed and it was in direct contravention of a UN resolution.

Nor the invasion of Panama, even going way back to the 1800 and the annexation of Puerto Rico nothing like it at all for there has never before been a referendum to say a country wanted to be 'invaded'.

Oh yes and I am told the invasion of Libya was for humanitarian reasons, yep bomb and kill people destroy their houses and countries infrastructure all humanitarian, and now we see the humanitarian crisis that little bit of stupidity has caused.